DeadNutsEven - Where anyone can win!!

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mph? I'm ate around 120 mph or so give or take.

no_bull_racin97/ Nissan Skyline RM (not sure which model of skyline that is will check tomorrow/ 492 I think will check tomorrow/ fully tuned/ ABS

Do I read that right that you're in an RM at 492PP? :eek::odd:


We had some good racing tonight in the NoABS Lounge. Some good battles here and there, especially the last race at Suzuka East with Ferrari and I. I had gobs of straightline speed he had the corners and we finished less than a second apart. Orido and Sag also showed up...thanks guys. Very few incidents to speak of and really clean starts every race.
 
My New NSX:

Johnny, I must say that car is perfect. Excellent job on it. 👍

I went to the lounge with Orido and I immediately set two laps within 0.001 of eachother.
After my tires warmed up I did a 1:01.046, followed by a 1:01.002 with a draft from Orido.

The car fits me very well, and I didn't need to shift around the ballast at all. Somehow you got the car to grip just as well as my other one, but without that god-awful wing. Really nice work. :)

So, without further delay, here is my new submission:

Ferraridude308 / Honda NSX Type R '02 / 415 PP / Premium / Full Tune / No ABS​
 
My New NSX:

Johnny, I must say that car is perfect. Excellent job on it. 👍

I went to the lounge with Orido and I immediately set two laps within 0.001 of eachother.
After my tires warmed up I did a 1:01.046, followed by a 1:01.002 with a draft from Orido.

The car fits me very well, and I didn't need to shift around the ballast at all. Somehow you got the car to grip just as well as my other one, but without that god-awful wing. Really nice work. :)

So, without further delay, here is my new submission:

Ferraridude308 / Honda NSX Type R '02 / 415 PP / Premium / No ABS​

I'm shocked!!:lol: I thought for sure you'd come back and say it was too tight...lol. I'm glad you liked it. One general rule of thumb is that only in vary rare circumstances do any street cars benefit from rear wings. I have no wings on any of my street cars, unless they come with front downforce like an Audi R8 for example and even then it's usually minimum settings. Rear wings usually lead to understeer and loss of straightline speed. Grip can be tuned in to either end of the car without the wing.
 
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DeadNutsEven Racing Club: Where a front-wheel-drive, baby blue hybrid can race a stripped out, MR, fully-tuned sports-car and be competitive.​
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Sorry I got that black screen with GT5 logo on the right bottom corner when entering pit ...

I went back to the lounge after restarting, but nobody there :(, my Insight could consistently do 1:02.2.xxx, if I use it for Monday night, it will lose for sure :( - I don't mind losing as long as the car can shows some fight, but with the lap times, it will only be a back marker, so I am testing the Supra SZ-R now.

The picture is awesome Ferrari :D

EDIT : I'll just stick with the hybrid :lol:, my entry :

Ridox2JZGTE / Honda Insight LS '09 / 423 PP / Premium / Full Tune / No ABS
 
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Do I read that right that you're in an RM at 492PP? :eek::odd:


We had some good racing tonight in the NoABS Lounge. Some good battles here and there, especially the last race at Suzuka East with Ferrari and I. I had gobs of straightline speed he had the corners and we finished less than a second apart. Orido and Sag also showed up...thanks guys. Very few incidents to speak of and really clean starts every race.

yeah high pp low hp I really think you guys should go by hp because someone could have a car with really low PP and a high HP. IMO comparing by PP is not very accurate or fair.
 
yeah high pp low hp I really think you guys should go by hp because someone could have a car with really low PP and a high HP. IMO comparing by PP is not very accurate or fair.

1:01 is the target time and that's the only comparison that counts so it's always accurate and fair. The rest is just for information purposes.

So which car is it, the Silvia RM? I don't think there is a Skyline RM...
 
Gentlemen, I wasn't sure whether to post this or not, but as we're trying to create a community based type of group here, I think it's appropriate.

We decided to put Izzy's membership in DeadNuts on hold, pending an exact description of his entry for tonight's race and someone being able to testdrive that exact car and verify it's performance to the target. Best we can figure, there is no race car in the game that will turn 1:01 at 490+PP. With average downforce it means a 75-100 HP advantage (Silvia is 15/40ish with 290 +HP) with much better handling. With high downforce it means 50-75 HP advantage with huge grip. Everyone of them will be faster than that target, even in the hands of a below average driver, which Izzy is not.

So we've left it with Izzy, the ball is in his court. Although we are all racing for fun here, we do take our integrity and the enjoyment of the entire group seriously. We feel this is our best option at this point and hope that Izzy either clarifies his entry (could be a typo) or re-enters with a thoroughly vetted entry.
 
I think we are not asking much for anyone to participate and have demonstrated a lot of patience, the way to post a car for an upcoming event could not be clearer.
We are all here on honour and to have fun, it might not be for everybody, long live the DeadNutsEven.

PS: if you are not first, you might be second or maybe even last, or anywhere in between.
I will always be happy with a honest last and do not have time to bother beeing first if I have to bend the rules to get there.
Remember that nobody cares where you finish, it is just you looking in the mirror at the end of the day.

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That car is smiling. LOL
 
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Gentlemen, I wasn't sure whether to post this or not, but as we're trying to create a community based type of group here, I think it's appropriate.

We decided to put Izzy's membership in DeadNuts on hold, pending an exact description of his entry for tonight's race and someone being able to testdrive that exact car and verify it's performance to the target. Best we can figure, there is no race car in the game that will turn 1:01 at 490+PP. With average downforce it means a 75-100 HP advantage (Silvia is 15/40ish with 290 +HP) with much better handling. With high downforce it means 50-75 HP advantage with huge grip. Everyone of them will be faster than that target, even in the hands of a below average driver, which Izzy is not.

So we've left it with Izzy, the ball is in his court. Although we are all racing for fun here, we do take our integrity and the enjoyment of the entire group seriously. We feel this is our best option at this point and hope that Izzy either clarifies his entry (could be a typo) or re-enters with a thoroughly vetted entry.



:rolleyes:
 
In other news - I decided against the Pajero. It's weird, it would crank proper laps for the first 5-7 of them, and then all of a sudden start cranking 1:00.7s.
FWIW, it's reaching 131mph/210kmh on the front straight before one has to start braking.

And it's carrying ~460PP iirc, with a mid-range turbo, an engine limiter, top-speed adjustment, 10/90 torque split, and a bit less rear down force than stock to help it rotate. I didn't touch the suspension.

A proper race car with 490PP should probably be doing sub-58 laps at least.

So I'm gonna be in a stock USDM BRZ (in game= addition of OEM spoiler)

dsgerbc / Subaru BRZ S '12 / 418? PP / Premium / +oem spoiler @0/15 / ABS1

I can probably bring a completely stock BRZ with ABS=0 (somehow that slides through the first two corners much faster, d/k why), but this being my first outing here, I'll give myself some more room for error.
 
I hope every one remember to chill about the PP, I did the pace at 400PP consistently with the Suzuki, but I am not racing it, I am coming in with a fun car to drive ( for me at least) with much higher PP.
One more thing, rememeber, that tonight, no one is to pass the Pace Car. LOL
 
I hope every one remember to chill about the PP, I did the pace at 400PP consistently with the Suzuki, but I am not racing it, I am coming in with a fun car to drive ( for me at least) with much higher PP.
One more thing, rememeber, that tonight, no one is to pass the Pace Car. LOL

I think only one person was getting bent out of shape about the PP, and that issue has been resolved.

I'll be in the lounge off and on between now and race time.
 
In other news - I decided against the Pajero. It's weird, it would crank proper laps for the first 5-7 of them, and then all of a sudden start cranking 1:00.7s

Funny you should mention that because I noticed that very same trend myself recently in a couple of different cars. At first I thought it was just me getting used to the cars as it happened with the C7 Vette on SH tires after about 7 or 8 laps at Laguna where I dropped a few tenths for seemingly no reason. Happened with a couple of other cars recently too. I'm wondering if it's one of those hidden, unannounced little adventures that PD likes to throw in with the updates:ouch::nervous: Hopefully it works with all cars and not just some or it could play havoc in longer races:dopey:

Cars and Drivers qualified for tonight:

Johnnypenso/Mazda RX-8 Type S 07'/Premium/410PP/Full Tune/ABS
Ferraridude308 / Honda NSX Type R '02 / Premium / 431PP / Full Tune / No ABS
Ferraridude308 / Honda NSX Type R '02 / 415 PP / Premium / Full Tune / No ABS
NCemtB / Subaru BRZ S '12 / 427 PP / Premium / Medium Tune / ABS 1
NCemtB / Subaru BRZ S '12 / 422PP / Premium / Full Tune / ABS 1
cotedazur06/Nissan GRAN TURISMO SKYLINE GT-R (PaceCar) '01/Standard/478PP/Light Tune/ ABS 0ff
TrackBound7 / Toyota 86 GT '12 / 437 PP / Premium / Bolt-on, none adjustable stuff / ABS 1
Sagarismic / Subaru Impreza Coupe WRX Type R STI VERSION VI '99 / Standard / 455pp / Stock / No ABS
Ridox2JZGTE / Honda Insight LS '09 / 423 PP / Premium / Full Tune / No ABS
dsgerbc / Subaru BRZ S '12 / 418? PP / Premium / +oem spoiler @0/15 / ABS1
 
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Looks like a good field tonight! 8 drivers (if all entries show up) heading into the first corner should be great fun.:dopey:
 
I am having timeouts issue with PD's server :(, random lag here and there with dsgerbc in the room, then got disconnected recently :(, not sure if I can stay in the race for long, I just got DC'd again in my own lounge, and error 6399 appear :( why PD ?

I just got error 268 again, cannot connect to lobby server ><
 
I am having timeouts issue with PD's server :(, random lag here and there with dsgerbc in the room, then got disconnected recently :(, not sure if I can stay in the race for long, I just got DC'd again in my own lounge, and error 6399 appear :( why PD ?

I just got error 268 again, cannot connect to lobby server ><

Did you try the usual routine of rebooting your router, clearing your cache, rebooting PS3, waving a magic wand :sly: ?

Don't forget fellas, this track is pretty slippery in the first corner, espcially on cold CS tires so be extra careful going through there the first time. Better safe than sorry.
 
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I am having timeouts issue with PD's server :(, random lag here and there with dsgerbc in the room, then got disconnected recently :(, not sure if I can stay in the race for long, I just got DC'd again in my own lounge, and error 6399 appear :( why PD ?

I just got error 268 again, cannot connect to lobby server ><

Tried this already? If not, go there, enter your router and follow instructions.
 
Gentlemen, I wasn't sure whether to post this or not, but as we're trying to create a community based type of group here, I think it's appropriate.

We decided to put Izzy's membership in DeadNuts on hold, pending an exact description of his entry for tonight's race and someone being able to testdrive that exact car and verify it's performance to the target. Best we can figure, there is no race car in the game that will turn 1:01 at 490+PP. With average downforce it means a 75-100 HP advantage (Silvia is 15/40ish with 290 +HP) with much better handling. With high downforce it means 50-75 HP advantage with huge grip. Everyone of them will be faster than that target, even in the hands of a below average driver, which Izzy is not.

So we've left it with Izzy, the ball is in his court. Although we are all racing for fun here, we do take our integrity and the enjoyment of the entire group seriously. We feel this is our best option at this point and hope that Izzy either clarifies his entry (could be a typo) or re-enters with a thoroughly vetted entry.

it's funny how you tell me the day of not giving me enough time to even change my car. And I'm human I make mistakes but its to late to change my pp or car now and my original post was I guess since I was too tired and was going to bed and I knew I had to make the deadline also I thought that is what the practice before the event was for getting your car to the right pp? guess there is a double standard so you can just forget about me ever wanting to rejoin a hypocritical club like this.
 
Tried this already? If not, go there, enter your router and follow instructions.

I have my PS3 set up properly, it's wired to my laptop, I have opened all ports used by the PS3, I regularly hosted practice room in my lounge and public lobby, I never been disconnected from my own lounge before :(, now I can joined in and so far, no disconnection yet, I am watching the races, no lag, all smooth, which is bizarre. Last race at Monza I can see JohnnyPenso, and now we can't see each other .... another PD's funny online issue.
 
it's funny how you tell me the day of not giving me enough time to even change my car. And I'm human I make mistakes but its to late to change my pp or car now and my original post was I guess since I was too tired and was going to bed and I knew I had to make the deadline also I thought that is what the practice before the event was for getting your car to the right pp? guess there is a double standard so you can just forget about me ever wanting to rejoin a hypocritical club like this.

We're all human and make mistakes Izzy, that's not a problem, but to be frank, it's not our problem if you're too tired and can't respond to our queries either. I asked you above to clarify your car choice, the exact car you were talking about and you never responded. 492PP in any race car will not get you 1:01, it'll be sub 1:00 which is why I asked you to clarify your car choice.

From the OP:

Pick any car, hit the track online, and fine tune it until you are just reaching, but not exceeding the target time. Bring your car to the DeadNutsEven Lounge and race, simple as that. For the Tsukuba race we had cars from 400 to 460PP, some spec, some tuned, Premiums, Standards etc. Car choice is yours. You will get a heat or two to fine tune your PP as necessary and at least 2 or 3 feature races. A little over an hour in total.

You need to come prepared. The heats are for fine tuning, not chopping 75pp off your car, more like 2 or 3.

As I said in my PM, you are welcome back if you want to come back, just submit your car for next week, in it's finalized version and we'll go from there. We had some of our best racing ever tonight and to put it bluntly, it would have put a real wet blanket over the night if you showed up in a 492PP Silvia RM running 59's and saying, "Ooops".

Respect the rest of the group by putting in the time and effort to get your car to the Q target and you're more than welcome back.:)
 
Quick thoughts on this format.

I'll be honest (see my status). Going in a conga-line is not my idea of fun.

Theoretically, I like the concept. Ideally (at least in my mind) suspension/downforce tuning should be used to make sure people can go through corners with the same speed, and then HP should be adjusted to make sure target lap times are hit.

After that it will be more about close racing.

That would be too much tuning to make sure cornering speeds are close.

So in the interim, I'd suggest constraining drive-train type (or just say no AWD, or AWD only), and apart from overall lap time suggest being not more than 2-3 tenths apart on sector times from a benchmark in a car most people like.

That should make sure cornering speeds are fairly close.
 
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That was some of the best racing I've ever had on GT5. So close, you had to wait for someone to bobble it a bit here or there to get a clean pass. Lap after lap, nose to tail was exhilarating!!! As is usually the case, once again 3 races and 3 winners. 👍👍

Cars and Drivers qualified for tonight:

Johnnypenso/Mazda RX-8 Type S 07'/Premium/410PP/Full Tune/ABS
Ferraridude308 / Honda NSX Type R '02 / Premium / 431PP / Full Tune / No ABS
Ferraridude308 / Honda NSX Type R '02 / 415 PP / Premium / Full Tune / No ABS
NCemtB / Subaru BRZ S '12 / 427 PP / Premium / Medium Tune / ABS 1
NCemtB / Subaru BRZ S '12 / 422PP / Premium / Full Tune / ABS 1
cotedazur06/Nissan GRAN TURISMO SKYLINE GT-R (PaceCar) '01/Standard/478PP/Light Tune/ ABS 0ff
TrackBound7 / Toyota 86 GT '12 / 437 PP / Premium / Bolt-on, none adjustable stuff / ABS 1
Sagarismic / Subaru Impreza Coupe WRX Type R STI VERSION VI '99 / Standard / 455pp / Stock / No ABS
Ridox2JZGTE / Honda Insight LS '09 / 423 PP / Premium / Full Tune / No ABS
dsgerbc / Subaru BRZ S '12 / 418? PP / Premium / +oem spoiler @0/15 / ABS1

Race 1

1 COTEDAZUR
2 Ferraridude
3 Johnnypenso
4 NCemtb
5 Dsgerbc
6 Sagarismic
7 Trackbound

Race 2

1 TRACKBOUND
2 Sagarismic
3 Johnnypenso
4 NCemtb
5 Ferraridude
6 Cotedazur
7 Dsgerbc

Race 3

1 NCEMTB
2 Ferraridude
3 Johnnypenso
4 Dsgerbc
5 Sagarismic
6 Trackbound
7 Cotedazur
 
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Quick thoughts on this format.

I'll be honest (see my status). Going in a conga-line is not my idea of fun.

Theoretically, I like the concept. Ideally (at least in my mind) suspension/downforce tuning should be used to make sure people can go through corners with the same speed, and then HP should be adjusted to make sure target lap times are hit.

After that it will be more about close racing.

That would be too much tuning to make sure cornering speeds are close.

So in the interim, I'd suggest constraining drive-train type (or just say no AWD, or AWD only), and apart from overall lap time suggest being not more than 2-3 tenths apart on sector times from a benchmark in a car most people like.

That should make sure cornering speeds are fairly close.

Sorry for the double post. Thanks for the input DSG, always good to get a fresh set of eyes on things to see where we can improve. Two things:

First, I agree in theory with what you propose you are absolutely right that if we were able to more equalize things in the corners it would make for even closer racing. Problem is most of us are too busy to test, tune, test, tune, test tune, etc. measuring our cornering speeds, comparing cornering speeds and then fine tuning HP to get a certain lap time. Most GT5'ers aren't great tuners so they'd probably just end up going from car to car to car to get the right cornering speeds and it would take much longer than it does now. We're already fielding concerns about how much time it takes to qualify a car which is why we came up with this [post=7862910]Really BIG Announcement[/post] in an effort to streamline things and cut down the time it takes to qualify cars. What you propose would indeed produce even closer racing, but at the cost of quite a bit more time on the part of just about everyone in the group, time I don't think they are willing to spend.

Second, I can only speak for myself, but I really enjoy the challenge of trying to get past guys that run different speeds than me in the corners and on the straights, all the while knowing that their lap time will be the same as mine. It often means setting up passes for a lap or two ahead, hunting out weaknesses in other cars and drivers, pressuring other racers to make a mistake so you can slip by in a place that will allow you to complete the pass. For me the focus is entirely on my and their racecraft, and I get more satisfaction with my 3-3rd place finishes than I would with three runaway wins in a race series.

For me each challenge is different. I know when I'm behind NC for example, based on the last couple of weeks, we are relatively the same pace and he makes very few mistakes, usually none. For us it might as well be a spec race we are that close. So to get by him requires incredible precision and timing and pretty much perfection on my part.

Ferrari is different. I believe we are also about the same pace, but Ferrari is usually in the NSX and has better cornering speeds but less straightaway speed and he's more willing to pass in the corners because he has to and usually has better pace there. He's a completely different challenge for me. He forces me to be a better driver because I know I'm going to have to run beside him for a couple of corners here or there to hold off his challenge. Sometimes I do, sometimes I don't.

Track, Cote, Sag, Orido, even Izzy, all present a different challenge and that's what keeps me coming back. Plus the fact that I can't seem to finish any higher than third place anymore...lol..:sly:
 
Two things:

1. I really thought I was going to break my losing streak this week, but the closest I could get was second. Although the racing was even more excellent than usual, I probably could have been a bit more drastic with defending my position, but that's not really the point of this club after all. Had my best runs with JP, we always ended up side by side at one point each race, had the same thing happen with dsgerbc a couple of times as well. NC as always got past me for the win, I think 3 different times we went side by side through the first turn. :dopey: Tomorrow I'll try to get some pictures up. 👍

2. I drive these races like endurances: I do a lot of waiting around. I know you don't like the congo-ish nature of it, dsgerbc, but I'd always much prefer a perfect, planned, clean pass on my end, than if I just ran next to you for the whole race, and that's why I often just slot in behind everyone, and wait my time. And often times, its necessary, so you don't go flying off into the dirt. :lol: In fact, I think if we all cornered the same speed, it would be more congo-ish.
 
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Second, I can only speak for myself, but I really enjoy the challenge of trying to get past guys that run different speeds than me in the corners and on the straights, all the while knowing that their lap time will be the same as mine. It often means setting up passes for a lap or two ahead, hunting out weaknesses in other cars and drivers, pressuring other racers to make a mistake so you can slip by in a place that will allow you to complete the pass. For me the focus is entirely on my and their racecraft, and I get more satisfaction with my 3-3rd place finishes than I would with three runaway wins in a race series.

+1

This one of my favorite parts of racing in this group... Each car and driver combo presents a unique challenge and the races definitely become a chess match. You have to plan WAY ahead when you want to make a pass on someone. If you make rules to limit drivetrain and even out corner speed, you might as well just make it a spec race.
 
I made a huge mistake for picking the Insight, knowing it will only run 1:02.xxx average and 1:01.7xxx on a perfect lap :(, anyway tonight I had lots of network issues, which ultimately making me a spectator :D but still fun to watch the close racing, with intense passes and close calls.

I will be more prepared next time, and I am going to pick a car that is competitive and consistent throughout the 12 laps, which means more testing, yay. I had in mind my beautiful yellow Lotus Elise '96 with a mere 130+ HP but still able to post low 1:01 without a sweat. I drove it before the event tonight, a lot more involving than the hybrid :lol:

The Supra SZ-R is also a monster in straight line, while also stable in corners, I wanted to race these both cars, anyone available during the week, just drop into the Deadnutseven lounge, we can have some races, so I can gauge the cars performances :D.
 
An other exciting, competitive and full off suspense evening off on online sim racing tonight.
Different cars, different styles but one goal, have a good time racing each other from first turn on lap one to last turn on last lap.
Finishing first is sweet, but my best race tonight I finished last, the battle was fierce but fair, one mistake put me at the back, I will try not to make it again.
And we get the chance to do it again all over next week.
Long live the DeadNutsEven.
 
I actually thought the racing tonight was pretty darn good...about 1000 times better than I thought it would be on a track that doesn't provide a lot of opportunity to make a pass. In race 1 and 3 I started last and was able to work my way up to a podium position (then made a mistake in the first run and got wrapped up in a wreck not of my doing). I really enjoy the mental part of the racing in this group. It is very rewarding taking 2 or 3 laps to find the weakness in a driver and plan the pass a couple turns ahead of time. I enjoy the car selection process as well. I know enough about most of our drivers to decide what I need in a car. I purposely didn't do any adjustable tuning on my GT because it was comfortable enough in the turns and gave the straight speed I knew would be needed. Looking forward to next week for sure.
 
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