Depression and Anxiety Thread

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Im kind of person who never value myself even a bit. I know people, even here, thought the same about myself. Annoying, worthless piece of *censored* that'll not be missed.

Sone people got it easy. I dont and never will. Whats the point of living anyway.
People who say they won't be missed 9 times out of 10 don't know how much people love them. A friend of mine was like that once, I was really distraught that he didn't think I loved him enough, I broke down in tears worrying about him.

You can only be worthless at things if you do things that don't comfort you. True strength comes from what you want to do (and not because people want you to do it or because someone else does it), stay true to yourself and maybe some light will shine.

As for the point of our existence, it's a very subjective topic with no real answer. People think it is to change the world for the better, other's think it is to keep the status quo, other's rely on "primal" instinct and think it is to keep the human race alive. For me, life has no point other than to enjoy what you can, move on from mistakes and anything bad happening and focus on positive things and if their isn't, then it is te time to get creative. I'm sailing along the river where anything can happen to anyone, this desensitized me a lot but at the same time it made very happy for the most part.
 
Im kind of person who never value myself even a bit. I know people, even here, thought the same about myself. Annoying, worthless piece of *censored* that'll not be missed.

Sone people got it easy. I dont and never will. Whats the point of living anyway.
I used to think that way in early high school. Don't know if it still resonates me today.

And I know this may sound cheesy and have no effect on you, but @GTracer125 deserves a hug.
 
People who say they won't be missed 9 times out of 10 don't know how much people love them. A friend of mine was like that once, I was really distraught that he didn't think I loved him enough, I broke down in tears worrying about him.

You can only be worthless at things if you do things that don't comfort you. True strength comes from what you want to do (and not because people want you to do it or because someone else does it), stay true to yourself and maybe some light will shine.

As for the point of our existence, it's a very subjective topic with no real answer. People think it is to change the world for the better, other's think it is to keep the status quo, other's rely on "primal" instinct and think it is to keep the human race alive. For me, life has no point other than to enjoy what you can, move on from mistakes and anything bad happening and focus on positive things and if their isn't, then it is te time to get creative. I'm sailing along the river where anything can happen to anyone, this desensitized me a lot but at the same time it made very happy for the most part.
I practically lost everything I used to love. I became one of those who reminded of old days even though im 19.

Numerous friends become what I dont used to know, and not in a good way.

I used to think that way in early high school. Don't know if it still resonates me today.

And I know this may sound cheesy and have no effect on you, but @GTracer125 deserves a hug.
Its flipped for me. College days means I'll be more adult. But at the same time realize the reality just suck, single fault means very much, and more things to think about.
 
Some people got it easy.
That's impossible to know for sure.
Even the most successful people and the ones 'having it easy' can have issues. It won't reveal anything only looking at the surface. And how can we know what others truly feel inside.
 
I practically lost everything I used to love. I became one of those who reminded of old days even though im 19.

Numerous friends become what I dont used to know, and not in a good way.


Its flipped for me. College days means I'll be more adult. But at the same time realize the reality just suck, single fault means very much, and more things to think about.
You then need to find something else, perhaps what is happening isn't for you, expand your options.

My friend said the exact same thing as your 2nd Paragraph, let me tell you, that they are still going to care for you and mourn if you were gone.
 
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Just poimting out. Not much. Apart from I fit most of it so....
 
I didn't want to come here and don't feel like I wanna go into much detail about it but need to say I feel like I've gone into some depression. :(

Edit: I'll probably get over some things soon though, their is just to many things going on for me all at once and I'm getting really stressed. Also anxiety makes everything worse than it already does everyday for me.
 
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So..

Which of those are you going to change today?

If I may offer you a small piece of advice, if you were speaking to somebody that actually had depression and was bringing up some of those symptoms (many of which are shared with clinical depression), phrases such as that are incredibly damaging, no matter how well meaning you are or helpful you think you are being.
 
If I may offer you a small piece of advice, if you were speaking to somebody that actually had depression and was bringing up some of those symptoms (many of which are shared with clinical depression), phrases such as that are incredibly damaging, no matter how well meaning you are or helpful you think you are being.

I appreciate my statement could be interpreted with multiple sentiments, just to be clear; no offence to, or derision of FrzGT was intended. Personally, from the few PM's I've exchanged with Frz previously, and from some of his previous posting habits, I believe my sentiment was justified.. and to be clear on that too, I believe he needs to break the vicious circle of Stress, frustration and indecision, that is having this negative influence on his life/behavior/health - and I think the way to do that is by focusing on one single thing, no matter how small, and trying to change it.

In 20+ years of depression, anxiety, taking chunks out of myself and drinking my problems away, not once did a doctor advise me to do nothing and hope it goes away on it's own - so I'll apologise if any of my opinions or statements come across as inappropriate or insensitive, but I do firmly believe in trying to motivate change, rather then enabling self-pity.
 
I appreciate my statement could be interpreted with multiple sentiments, just to be clear; no offence to, or derision of FrzGT was intended. Personally, from the few PM's I've exchanged with Frz previously, and from some of his previous posting habits, I believe my sentiment was justified.. and to be clear on that too, I believe he needs to break the vicious circle of Stress, frustration and indecision, that is having this negative influence on his life/behavior/health - and I think the way to do that is by focusing on one single thing, no matter how small, and trying to change it.

In 20+ years of depression, anxiety, taking chunks out of myself and drinking my problems away, not once did a doctor advise me to do nothing and hope it goes away on it's own - so I'll apologise if any of my opinions or statements come across as inappropriate or insensitive, but I do firmly believe in trying to motivate change, rather then enabling self-pity.

Fair enough, apologies for coming across as a bit of a smug know it all, I wasn't aware of the history between yourself and Frz in which context you clearly know better so my comment isn't really appropriate.

The intention was to draw attention to the difference between 'feeling depressed' and general 'self pity' like you say, and actual depression. Because it is a mental illness, those that don't suffer with it can only assume that the sufferer's mind works just the same way theirs does. If they're having a really hard day, they just get on with it, they pick themselves up, think of something positive, whatever they do to manage their feelings and keep on functioning.

It sounds harsh but, at least in my opinion, that isn't depression. That is feeling down, stressed etc. and I'd agree with you that in those situations your advice is spot on, break it down into little chunks and just try and take a step in the right direction, face one of those little bits head on and try to overcome them, keep your chin up, try to put it in context etc.

From the best of my understanding and reading on the subject (a subject which isn't well understood by 'science' either, so what chance do we have?!), actual depression is an illness. It isn't a choice, you can't choose to be positive, to just ignore it and get on with your day. It's like telling someone with cancer to just cheer up, others have it worse, you'll be fine. It won't fix it, and the effects of well meaning comments can have very different impacts on the person suffering.

Personally it's only been in the last 12 months or so where I've become even slightly capable of some actual empathy, actually thinking about things properly from someone else's point of view, and not just thinking that I understand and know better and that my opinion is right. It sounds a simple thing to change, but actually you can't help but think the way you do, you think you're right else you wouldn't think it!

Your post touched on this for me, as I felt as you appeared to (my mistake there!), that it's a result of negative thoughts, a lack of self esteem and simple things like you've said and plenty of love and encouragement and training your brain to think differently could help someone overcome depression, because to me, depression was what I thought it was, and that's what would 'solve' it.

What upset me was once I actually made the effort to not just assume I understood but researched and read about what people say etc. I realised how wrong I had been and how harmful the things I had thought had been.

Hence wanting to share this tiny bit of 'wisdom' (about the only bit I've picked up so far!) :)

As I'm on a roll, I guess I might as well continue and elaborate on what I mean. This assumption that depression can be 'fixed' in the way I thought meant that I too would try to encourage positivity in the face of the emotions being felt, and countless other little traps that you think are helpful but that really aren't.

There are so many common things people say to be helpful and supporting that are actually damaging:

Cheer up, some people have it far worse -

All this does is make the person feel guilty for being depressed. They know other people have it worse, and yet their illness makes them feel the way they do. This statement basically says "your feelings of sadness are unreasonable, you're wrong to feel the way you do and I'm dismissing your feelings because they're wrong"

Look on the brightside, cheer up etc. -

This shows the person that you think they're in control of their feelings. You think that they're choosing to feel like this, and that they should be able to just snap out of it. After all, you can, so why can't they? They must be a failure, and a lesser person than everyone else.

I know just how you feel, I was depressed last Tuesday, but then I went out and had a great time -

Again, this shows a lack of understanding, you don't know how they feel, you've not listened to what they've said, and again, they're clearly just a worse person than you, because you're able to go out and have fun, so clearly they're failing.

Stop feeling sorry for yourself -

Similar to above, you think they're in control and choosing to feel this way. Furthermore, they should feel guilty for being how they are, their feelings aren't justified, they're just a bad / self absorbed person.

I know they're silly examples, but for me it was a real eye opener that the things people can say thinking they're being helpful or empathising just aren't interpreted that way if someone has depression. It's a difficult situation because from the outside, it's probably impossible to tell the difference between someone who is playing up and somebody who is actually suffering.

For example, sometimes someone with depression can't face getting out of bed. This is a really difficult thing for an observer to empathise with, because for most people, it's very similar to how we feel, isn't it? That we don't want to get up, go to school / work whatever it is. But we do, and we get on with it.

If someone is just lazy, they can easily just say they're depressed, they can't face getting up, and everyone is supposed to just accept that? No, we're skeptical, and depression gets a bad name, it's treated as something people make up because they're feeling sorry for themselves or they're lazy etc. etc.

But genuinely, some times, they actually, truly, can't do it. It's not a matter of will power, it isn't a choice. They want to get out of bed, they want to get on with their lives, to do what everyone else does, be 'normal' but they actually really can't face it. It can be a hugely debilitating illness that can make a real mess of someone's life. And they know this, and they can't do anything about it.

A silly analogy that struck me last year was at Le Mans. My partner and I were sat on the steps of the main grandstand towards the last couple of hours of the race. It gets really busy and people arrive hours in advance to get a spot on the pit straight ready for the end of the 24hours. Anyway, heading towards the steps was a young boy in a wheelchair and (I presume) his father. They got to the steps and the boy is able to vaguely support his own weight, but needs his father to balance and together they manage to climb the steps. As I'm just sat there, I hop up and get the boy's wheelchair and carry it up the steps for them, don't even think about it, it's a gesture anyone would do to try and help a fellow human being.

The thing is though, my partner has a similarly debilitating illness. She needs help and support to do things we all take for granted, like the boy climbing the stairs. Except her illness is with her brain. Nobody can see it. Nobody offers to help, or makes special allowances for her condition or expects her to not be capable of certain things, because her illness is invisible. Worse than that, the validity of it is questioned and her symptoms are just dismissed as flaws in her character, even by those closest to her.

I thought I was being supportive, but I wasn't helping at all. Even now, understanding things better, I still get it wrong at times and realise with hindsight that I was looking at it from my point of view and not listening or understanding, but I'm trying, and I'm not going to stop trying to improve :)
 
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@letdown427 No real need for apology, like I say, I can see how it could be taken the wrong way. And, I think you've pretty much hit the nail on the head with all of what you said.

I would add though, whilst ignorance and thoughtlessness should rightfully be countered by your reasoning above, I think too often people suffering are too quick to fall back on these explanations without actually considering what they can do to improve their quality of life.

I really don't want to sound harsh, but it took for a friend to slip into depression and cannabis dependency - and then pull himself out of it - for me to start to seeing this self-endorsement of my own self-pity attitude in myself. Over time I realised that although the voice in my head was screaming that I wanted to get better, my actions did not reflect that, even resisting it. Once I made that connection, it changed my perspective... it didn't cure anything, but like I say, it's about regaining some quality of life.
 
@letdown427I would add though, whilst ignorance and thoughtlessness should rightfully be countered by your reasoning above, I think too often people suffering are too quick to fall back on these explanations without actually considering what they can do to improve their quality of life.

I really don't want to sound harsh, but it took for a friend to slip into depression and cannabis dependency - and then pull himself out of it - for me to start to seeing this self-endorsement of my own self-pity attitude in myself. Over time I realised that although the voice in my head was screaming that I wanted to get better, my actions did not reflect that, even resisting it. Once I made that connection, it changed my perspective... it didn't cure anything, but like I say, it's about regaining some quality of life.

I think it is a very difficult area, especially for someone like myself who doesn't have depression. And really, you can never know somebody else's mind, it's not as if there is some sort of threshold at which point a person is considered depressed, so what works for one person's level of depression may well be out of reach for another.

I would agree that any chance of recovery needs to come from within. It seems to me that the best thing an 'outsider' can do is try to offer support and understanding as best they can, and not to judge what's right or try to 'fix' the situation as if they know better.

I personally found this difficult, you see someone suffering, you instinctively want to help and to try and 'fix' it, whereas you actually need to support the person so that they can 'fix' it.
 
"You may not be rich, but you are worth a lot in the lives of others." -me

That's what I typed on Facebook and Twitter as a "Monday Motivation" message. You are going to feel like crap if you think you don't amount to anything. Imagine actually being dead as people tend to miss just what kind of presence you bring to any such space. Think you don't matter now? I have been in communities where I was treated poorly or not welcomed. If I felt like the places I were in would be better off without me, they'd probably be right. You still just need to phase out such hate and haters and just be yourself.

So don't ever feel any society would be better off without you unless you really feel unfit for certain communities.
 
I practically lost everything I used to love. I became one of those who reminded of old days even though im 19.

Numerous friends become what I dont used to know, and not in a good way.


Its flipped for me. College days means I'll be more adult. But at the same time realize the reality just suck, single fault means very much, and more things to think about.
Your post resonates what i feel these days. It's getting worse each day. I feel scared that one day i would break down and explode.

People who say they won't be missed 9 times out of 10 don't know how much people love them. A friend of mine was like that once, I was really distraught that he didn't think I loved him enough, I broke down in tears worrying about him.

You can only be worthless at things if you do things that don't comfort you. True strength comes from what you want to do (and not because people want you to do it or because someone else does it), stay true to yourself and maybe some light will shine.

Even though this is not directed at me, i want to thank you because this is a great post.

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Just poimting out. Not much. Apart from I fit most of it so....

Can't believe i have almost all of them (except for physical symptoms)
 
Well, I guess I'll tell my story. Ive had depression since I was maybe 14 or so, and im now 21. It was manageable for years, until the last serious relationship I was in ended. I started slicing my arm up and holding a gun to my head every day. Then I met this other girl that helped me through it. We started dating and we've been together until last September, but its probably going to end today. She's cheating on me. I'm hoping to not go down the same road as before, but it's already feeling like I'm going to. At least now I'm old enough to buy alcohol, so I plan to eventually forget about her with the help of that. I was less than a month, well, about 15 days, away from flying up there. Oh well. I can go into more detail if anyone is interested, but I live a pretty boring life, so there isn't much detail to go into. Oh, and according to the psychiatrist that I was required to see twice, it's anxiety that causes my depression, apparently.
 
Well, I guess I'll tell my story. I've had depression since I was maybe 14 or so, and im now 21. It was manageable for years, until the last serious relationship I was in ended. I started slicing my arm up and holding a gun to my head every day. Then I met this other girl that helped me through it. We started dating and we've been together until last September, but its probably going to end today. She's cheating on me. I'm hoping to not go down the same road as before, but it's already feeling like I'm going to. At least now I'm old enough to buy alcohol, so I plan to eventually forget about her with the help of that. I was less than a month, well, about 15 days, away from flying up there. Oh well. I can go into more detail if anyone is interested, but I live a pretty boring life, so there isn't much detail to go into. Oh, and according to the psychiatrist that I was required to see twice, it's anxiety that causes my depression, apparently.

You sound like me :D. Except I'm 37 and living with the consequences of what you're talking about. :(

Bottom line. Accepting that suicide is not a solution*, the other two things (self-harm, instigating an alcohol problem) are not solutions. I've used both myself (for similar reasons) to get by, so I have a pretty good idea why you'd turn to them, and I'm not going to pretend I'd have managed without either... But, just remember if you choose that path, you're walking into a maze that you don't know the size of. And at the end of it, I can promise you, you will look back, and think she wasn't worth it.

Relationships can cause havoc with depression. Find something positive to use as a crutch during these difficult times, not something that's going to do long term damage.

*if you're thinking about this seriously, talk to your psychiatrist openly and honestly, and don't be defensive about the need you feel to do it.
 
You sound like me :D. Except I'm 37 and living with the consequences of what you're talking about. :(

Bottom line. Accepting that suicide is not a solution*, the other two things (self-harm, instigating an alcohol problem) are not solutions. I've used both myself (for similar reasons) to get by, so I have a pretty good idea why you'd turn to them, and I'm not going to pretend I'd have managed without either... But, just remember if you choose that path, you're walking into a maze that you don't know the size of. And at the end of it, I can promise you, you will look back, and think she wasn't worth it.

Relationships can cause havoc with depression. Find something positive to use as a crutch during these difficult times, not something that's going to do long term damage.

*if you're thinking about this seriously, talk to your psychiatrist openly and honestly, and don't be defensive about the need you feel to do it.

I don't see the psychiatrist anymore. I just know that I enjoy alcohol. If I self harm, my parents will know, if I drink, they just think im drinking. I wont be getting wasted anyways. Just drunk enough to not think about her.
 
I just know that I enjoy alcohol...

Me too... It is great isn't it :D Drinking for fun is one of my favourite hobbies.

... Just drunk enough to not think about her.

... that's not drinking for fun though.

But, good luck anyway 👍

One more quick point...

If I self harm, my parents will know, if I drink, they just think im drinking

Out of curiosity, why don't you want your parents to know?
 
Me too... It is great isn't it :D Drinking for fun is one of my favourite hobbies.



... that's not drinking for fun though.

But, good luck anyway 👍

One more quick point...



Out of curiosity, why don't you want your parents to know?

Because then they'll make me go back to the hospital to get evaluated and back to the psychiatrist and get back on the meds and ****. Just a bunch of unnecessary stuff to go through.
 
Because then they'll make me go back to the hospital to get evaluated and back to the psychiatrist and get back on the meds and ****. Just a bunch of unnecessary stuff to go through.

Fair enough.

I hope a few drinks is enough to solve it then. 👍
 
I'll update on myself, it's been quite a while since I last posted.

Things have been a lot better for me recently. I still don't feel completely like myself, but I haven't had suicidal thoughts for a very long time - I'm generally content with life. I'm trying to let negativity in general affect me less, I'm a lot more comfortable with my sexuality, and I'm starting to accept that academic success might not be "my thing" anymore, even though it always has been. I don't know where my life will take me, but I'm starting to concentrate on doing my own things that I feel happy doing. It's one of the reasons I don't want to go to uni.

I'm not sure how I can get back to feeling like myself. I feel like I'm on the right track though - and a lot of members on here have helped me feel more grounded to reality.
 
What bothers me is when I think about something, then it'll hit me with, you can't and won't be able to do that. It's impossible, you dream too much. No one tells me this, everyone tells me I'm very smart and successful for my age, but my mind tells me something else.
 
What bothers me is when I think about something, then it'll hit me with, you can't and won't be able to do that. It's impossible, you dream too much. No one tells me this, everyone tells me I'm very smart and successful for my age, but my mind tells me something else.
I get that too about me being creative, especially when people look at my drawings of Pokemon, Video Games Levels and Tracks. I started bringing my side project of my own Card Game to School so I can test it with friends.

Granted my side isn't depression based, it's more in the lines of Fear as I'm afraid of the whole business side of things (as well as technology), as I want nothing to do with the typical business style, I just want create freely to entertain other people with my creations as well as myself.
 
Just felt like I've been on this website long enough... I have it pretty bad. I'be tried to... leave before but every time I've realized how many people care about me. It shows that you can be born with it. I'm extroverted, have lots of friends, a car that everyone loves; but I always feel worthless. It's crazy what it does to you and it's never fake.
 
Well, today is killing me. Had a dream about my ex last night and now can't stop thinking about her. I've been (mostly) fine since I found out she was cheating on me. I figured, "whatever, it's nothing I haven't been through before. It isn't that big a deal. Everything will be fine." However, it's never fine. There's always something that gets you thinking about it and thinking about what you could've done different. Now it's the same **** as my last break up. Since I've been awake I've been thinking about suicide (not going to happen, just thinking about it), and constantly looking at pictures of her and stuff. Thinking about all the ******** "I love you's" she said. On top of that, I'm sick and can't go do amything to get my mind off of it, so now I'm quite literally stuck here thinking about her.
 
If she was the one who cheated then you couldn't do anything to change situation :indiff:, it is something you had no power to do. Try your best to move on from her, forget her even, throw away all of her pictures if you have to. Try to focus on the things you can do and have control over not the past which you have no way to control it.
 
Don't listen to love songs or breakup songs either. From what people have told me, they'll only make you feel worse.
 
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