Depression and Anxiety Thread

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Well.. I agree with you both @Imari and @Dotini :D

Taking a barefoot walk in the park might cure sadness, but it won't cure depression. And, seeking professional guidance is hugely important.

Having said that, professional guidance did bugger all for me, and I've recently come to appreciate the importance of maintaining some quality of life - whether that's staying hydrated and hugging the Earth, or (in my case) stripping the 20 year old vomit green and cream textured wallpaper in the hallway and repainting it!

I'll stick to the short version of this story; If you let everything around you decay and fall to crap (including your physical well-being), then on the days when maybe the depression isn't biting so hard, you're still going to look around and see a world of crap, you might miss out on a distant glimmer of hope*... and I think those moments of hope are vital.

If anyone remembers the scene in the last Matrix film, where Neo and Trinity are approaching the machine city, and to avoid the hellish onslaught before them, they manage to pull their ship above the clouds for a few moments? They see the real Sun and the real sky for a fleeting moment before diving back in to the noise, darkness and impending doom. I think that's a great representation of what hope feels like when you are depressed.
 
I respectfully disagree.

And you're wrong.

I'm sure you've heard the expression, "Physician heal thyself". The deeper meaning of this is that it
is one's own task to take ownership of and responsibility for your health.

The problem that you're not understanding is that if someone is seriously depressed they're actually incapable of doing this. It sounds totally stupid to ordinary people, but if you caught me on my worst day and set my bed on fire, I would legitimately think about whether I could get away with not doing anything about it for another five minutes.

Depression means that you don't give a 🤬 about anything. That includes your own wellbeing. It's why suicide is such a massive problem, because people just think "why bother if all I have to look forward to is another 60 years of this BS? Might as well just get it over with." That's a very dangerous thought.

You know what I talked about with the doctor when I first went? Not sadness, not anger, not any emotions. I told him how I was staying in bed and sleeping for 14+ hours a day, how everything that I did was boring, how I couldn't concentrate and I was completely unable to plan more than about half an hour ahead. How I felt that I was completely incapable of making any rational decision at all.

The only thing that even scared me into going in the first place was that the Formula 1 was in town, I had tickets and friends to go with, and I could not make myself go out the front door. Something that had been amazing for me in the past and should have been something that I was looking forward to was so unappealing that I'd rather let the $100 ticket go to waste.

That was terrifying. So terrifying that I made myself go down to the local clinic and sit in line to see someone before I lost my nerve and the apathy returned. Had I waited half a day I probably wouldn't have been able to do it.

I understand that you think that you're trying to be helpful, but you legitimately don't understand. The point of going to a doctor is to get someone independent, impartial and experienced to help you deal with it, and to give you support for all the many times that you're just going to feel awful and not be able to cope. Having support means it becomes OK to not be able to cope.

The reason to go to a doctor or mental health professional is that they receive training to deal with this stuff. Some are better than others, but when you get a good one they are very helpful. The difference between a doctor and family and friends is that F&F will likely give advice just like you've given, and it's actually less helpful than saying nothing at all. It just reinforces the perception for the depressed person that no one else understands what they're going through.

The best thing I think you can do for a depressed person is a friend is just let them know that you're there to support them. Don't judge or question or offer advice, just let them know that whatever they need however small, you'll be there to help them. Do whatever you can to make their life easier. If that means going to the mailbox to check the mail because they can't go outside that day, then do that.

I have the advantage of being a relatively intelligent and analytical person, but even though I know what I should be doing sometimes I just cannot do it. This is why I have a doctor and a psychiatrist so that I can talk to them and explain what's happening. If I'm having trouble I can talk to them and say "I know I need to be doing this, but it's not working for me. Have you got any suggestions on how I can make it easier on myself?"

And I 🤬 you not, the lowered mental capacity thing is legitimately a problem. Sometimes their suggestions are so simple I get very angry at myself for not thinking of it first. But the reason that I didn't is because I'm mentally crippled, so even though I'm relatively smart when I'm not depressed I'm at best kind of dumb when I am depressed. I cannot think clearly and I cannot plan well, and expecting someone in that situation to be able to plot a path out of their depression is just too much. Some people can and do out of necessity or sheer good fortune, but for most of us we need help.

Or at least, it's worth getting help so that you don't have to wait through ten years of misery while you try and stumble your way through teaching yourself how to treat mental health problems.

Like I said, I appreciate that what you're saying is meant in good faith, but you don't understand. Take it from someone who is dealing with this stuff right now (and that's all I'm dealing with, I'm currently unemployable so this is a full time job for me) that it's nowhere near as simple as you seem to think.
 
^ This, a thousand times. I work at a company that specialises in water treatment equipment, and after drinking at least four glasses of pure-as-can-be water everyday for the past year and a half of working there, I can confirm it does absolutely nothing. It might technically make me more alert or whatever, but it's superfluous as I can't feel anything if that makes sense. And even if it has any physical benefits, it sure as hell doesn't change the fact that I have no real friends. Or that I'm stuck in a dead-end job that I'm putting absolutely no effort into. Or that I'm not interested in anything. Or that I feel like a total f:censored: up. Or that I can't sleep at night because I'm worrying over stuff that happened nearly a decade ago at school. The list goes on. Making incremental lifestyle changes are a good step, but as others have said, they aren't very effective when you're at your lowest ebb.

On a side note, I find myself in a bit of a rut. As mentioned, I'm kind of winging my way through work at the moment, not really caring too much if I do a whole lot (the stuff I do is to the same standard at least, it's just that it takes three times as long) or effectively communicating with any of my colleagues. If it was up to me I wouldn't bother going at all,. The travelling is stressful and monotonous, I feel like I don't fit in, and I generally just need some time to reassess what's going on in my life and work out what I actually want to do. In fact, I'm on the verge of quitting; the only reason I don't is that I need an income to pay national insurance to go for my healthcare, which is obviously what I need to get out of this mess.

The problem I have however, is that the mental health clinic I've been referred to has had a 4 week backlog of appointments, and I've tried all week to book one to no avail. One of my colleagues (who is the only person who knows about my situation) is apparently frustrated with how I've been acting, yet I was too broken to really argue any points back. My boss has given me next week off since I look exhausted apparently, although I have to hand in a performance report tomorrow. That report is going to have jack squat on it, and I'm already on bad terms for skipping work a few days a while back. My boss doesn't take mental health issues seriously, instead looking at them as being literally 'in people's head' and just made up for attention.

In other words, I'm pretty much screwed. If I lose this job, I won't be able to hold down the necessary income to allow me to go to the doctor, which is ironic because the thing that's essentially funding that is a huge part of what is making me so miserable. It's really starting to grate on my patience and pretty soon I'm going to snap.
 
Not sure if it's been covered here, but guys with depression should get their testosterone levels and thyroid function checked. Any hint of trouble get in to see an endocrinologist.
 
@INEEDNAWZZZ have you checked out this site? It might not get your boss to suddenly understand mental health issues but it might help you getting treatment while staying at your job.
 
I work at a company that specialises in water treatment equipment, and after drinking at least four glasses of pure-as-can-be water everyday for the past year and a half of working there, I can confirm it does absolutely nothing.
Depending on what your exact definition of "pure-as-can-be" is, that water might actually be doing harm. If it's bereft enough, water will leech nutrients from the body on it's way through.

Proper sad @Imari that you've been doing it so rough. I wondered what was going on a few months back with a seemingly heightened irritability and subsequent disappearance. Can't help but wonder if it was somewhat depression inspired, on top of me (and possibly others) being a right pain in the arse that is. I relate to the F1 moment, though it can be as freeing as it is terrifying. The point where I realised that I not only didn't have the drive to do the things I didn't want to do, but that I also didn't have the drive to do the things I did want to do was an epiphany for me. What it did was made me see that I wasn't just apathetic or lazy, but that I had a real problem.

To be honest, many years of psychotherapy with a few different psychs has not done a lot for me. I've tried several drugs that either did nothing noticeably positive or had side effects that made them unusable (I need my heart to continue beating). Pretty hard to know what to try now.
 
I wondered what was going on a few months back with a seemingly heightened irritability and subsequent disappearance. Can't help but wonder if it was somewhat depression inspired, on top of me (and possibly others) being a right pain in the arse that is.

Yeah, it was me lashing out at stuff because I didn't understand what the hell was going on with me and I was just angry at the whole world. It was not a good time. I said some pretty nasty things to people who totally didn't deserve any of it.

My apologies for taking my frustration out on you. :(

I relate to the F1 moment, though it can be as freeing as it is terrifying. The point where I realised that I not only didn't have the drive to do the things I didn't want to do, but that I also didn't have the drive to do the things I did want to do was an epiphany for me. What it did was made me see that I wasn't just apathetic or lazy, but that I had a real problem.

Yeah, I think a lot of my anger earlier in the year was in response to the inner fear that I was turning into this apathetic and lazy person, and that I was terrified that I didn't seem to be able to do anything about it. Maybe I just didn't like anything any more.

Having the doctor diagnose me was the best day I'd had in a long time. You're very right that it's a really freeing thing.

To be honest, many years of psychotherapy with a few different psychs has not done a lot for me. I've tried several drugs that either did nothing noticeably positive or had side effects that made them unusable (I need my heart to continue beating). Pretty hard to know what to try now.

Out of curiosity, what do you do? Do the diet and exercise thing and try and stuff yourself with as many of the foods that boost serotonin as possible?

My brother's partner claims she has a thing with massive doses of fish oil (like 10+ grams a day) that works, but I haven't had a chance to talk to them properly about it because they're in Canada.

All the stories about how the medication doesn't work on some people made me scared a little bit.

I imagine like anything it's always a possibility. Some people are allergic to penicillin. Ultimately you only find out by taking the medication.

It's probably rarer than you think though. The internet has a way of amplifying the scariest stories. ;)
 
Man.... I just backed out from hanging out with my friends. Suddenly don't feel like meeting anyone, but at home i feel like crap too.

This is driving me nuts.
 
What if people treated physical illness like mental illness?


"...despite the staggering evidence and rhetoric aimed at helping people understand, many people still don’t get that being diagnosed with a mental illness isn’t something that’s in their control — just like having the flu, or food poisoning, or cancer isn’t in their control. In an effort to reframe the conversation, artist Robot Hugs created a comic that displays what it would be like if we discussed physical illnesses in the same way we do mental illnesses." Source.



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It's food for thought!



:)
 
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People's reactions and misplaced suggestions with regards to depression basically seem to boil down to the simple presumption that "It's all in your head" and as such you control it and can do something about it.

That is the fundamental mistake, and I think all of the other mistakes and problems and mistreatment etc stem from that simple difference compared to something physical that you can see, like a broken leg.

I thought I'd open up a little and talk to a friend briefly yesterday with regards to how things have been at home over the last 18 months whilst me fiancé has been unable to work. I know he doesn't understand depression, and thinks much the same way I did and to be honest I'm not sure has the mental capacity/willingness to actually empathise with another person's position, but anyway, explained a bit about how she'd been, how hard it's been for her to face things, how she hates being at home all day, it's driving her crazy, she desperately wants to be able to work but it's been ages now and it takes a lot of effort to pluck up enough positivity to even try looking for a job or applying for anything, and that the rejection is really damaging and how she feels like a burden and feels guilty and self loathing and so on and so forth. And how seeing doctors hasn't worked out well previously and how seeing someone private is too much to face and how she dreads the idea of opening up to a stranger etc.

Anyway, aside from the general platitudes of yeah that's really terrible, and he knows how hard it was when his girlfriend was off work for a bit so can't imagine blah blah the solution offered was a life coach...

And me being a coward, I just amiably smiled and said I'd bear it in mind and see if I could bring it into conversation at an appropriate time etc. That was wrong really wasn't it? Surely I'm not helping depression sufferers in general by not standing up for them and actually explaining the situation? Going no, you moron, I know what you think, and I thought the same way, but no, honestly, it's not something she chooses, and she can't change her outlook with some magic NLP and suddenly life is golden. People (myself included) are raised with the idea that everything will be OK and everything works out in the end and thus they just can't mentally accept that perhaps some things are just really crap and doing anything about it is extremely difficult.

What's ironic? They'd probably instinctively say that thinking like that is too "depressing". Yeah. Exactly.
 
People's reactions and misplaced suggestions with regards to depression basically seem to boil down to the simple presumption that "It's all in your head" and as such you control it and can do something about it.

And ironically it's the arrogance inherent in the talk therapy industry that reinforces that idea. What most people don't realise is that all forms talk therapy are merely based on theoreis. The trouble is that therapists are often inculcated into believeing one particular theory, & then speak about it as if it's a fact. For instance, some CBT therapists will tell you that you're depressed because of what you think, & therefore you need to change what you think & how you behave. However, for many people it's the other way around; they think negatively because they're depressed! The therapy doesn't help, the therapist cannot accept that it's not helping because they believe firmly in what they've been taught, so the client is then left with the impression that they must not have tried hard enough, which in turn makes them feel worse! It's reminds me of faith healing; you didn't get healed, so it must be your fault because you didn't have enough faith!

That's the trouble with seeing any specialist; if the root cause of your problem lies outside of their speciality, they won't be able to help you. And if they're arrogant in what they believe, they may end up doing you more harm than good. The various talk therapies available have their place in treating mental health issues, & they do help some people, but they do not help everybody. The trick to getting well is in finding out what the root cause is for whatever it is your suffering from, & then addressing that accordingly.
 
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Even my presence here is lacking. Fornerly active with the communities, now just a downward spiral with no will for engagement. People are just not as friendly as i used to recgonize.

Though my life in general is better, though. But honestly my current hobby is now way different than i had years back.
 
Just hoping not all people hate me for this. I know it even by looking at here.

Im not really depressed anymore. Its just my life has changing in a big way.
 
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🤬 me, life is bull:censored: sometimes.

I've been sort of scraping by, running out of money to live on but I probably had another month or two. No job and no real hope of getting or holding one because I can't keep my own 🤬 together sitting in a chair, let alone with other people for 8 hours, but whatever. One thing at a time.

Cat got seriously injured in a cat fight last night, and has to have surgery. $1000+. Which I do without hesitation, because if the cat goes then that pretty much wrecks me. If the cat somehow dies in surgery, that's probably game.

Problem being now that it was all my money. I have nothing with no job, and am now trying to figure out which possessions I can sell quickly with the least loss so that I'm not out on the street. I can sell the car, but that means taking a big loss to get it gone quick because it needs work that I haven't been able to afford, and then I don't have a car.

Seriously did I have to get this 🤬 now? 🤬 the world and everything in it.
 
Given your post in another section just now, all the best to you @Imari. I've had a response to your post here in progress for days now, but haven't been able to complete it. Sometimes the most important things to do are the hardest things to do - but you may well be all too familiar with that concept.

Edit - Damn, I posted this without seeing your post just above.
 
Oh, look! A depression thread on my favourite forum bar-none in the entire interwebs!

What do we do around here? Talk about our experiences with meds or with our doctors? How to cope with suicidal thoughts? How to nail an apex on a virtual Nurburgring without sad thoughts?

I don't mean to be rude or demeaning with my joker attitude, I'm geniunely glad there's a space here to discuss such an important and interesting topic. I have plenty of experience with depression myseslf and would love to share my experiences with fellow GTPers!

EDIT: What do you guys think about this paper? Recently I've been discussing with my psychiatrist such a thing and I'm very interested on hearing other people thoughts on the matter. Does thinking of suicide necessarily happens due to the distorted mindset of depression? Can you be suicidal but not depressed? How much does depression really impair your rationality? QUESTIONS AND LOUD NOISES!?!?!
 
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🤬 me, life is bull:censored: sometimes.

I've been sort of scraping by, running out of money to live on but I probably had another month or two. No job and no real hope of getting or holding one because I can't keep my own 🤬 together sitting in a chair, let alone with other people for 8 hours, but whatever. One thing at a time.

Cat got seriously injured in a cat fight last night, and has to have surgery. $1000+. Which I do without hesitation, because if the cat goes then that pretty much wrecks me. If the cat somehow dies in surgery, that's probably game.

Problem being now that it was all my money. I have nothing with no job, and am now trying to figure out which possessions I can sell quickly with the least loss so that I'm not out on the street. I can sell the car, but that means taking a big loss to get it gone quick because it needs work that I haven't been able to afford, and then I don't have a car.

Seriously did I have to get this 🤬 now? 🤬 the world and everything in it.

Update:

Mum agreed to send me some money, so I'm out of that bind.
Cat still in hospital. Waiting on good news.

For daaaaws, here we are having tummy time at the vet before she went into surgery:

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Only cat I know that rolls over for tummy rubs at the vet.
 
🤬 me, life is bull:censored: sometimes.

I've been sort of scraping by, running out of money to live on but I probably had another month or two. No job and no real hope of getting or holding one because I can't keep my own 🤬 together sitting in a chair, let alone with other people for 8 hours, but whatever. One thing at a time.

Cat got seriously injured in a cat fight last night, and has to have surgery. $1000+. Which I do without hesitation, because if the cat goes then that pretty much wrecks me. If the cat somehow dies in surgery, that's probably game.

Problem being now that it was all my money. I have nothing with no job, and am now trying to figure out which possessions I can sell quickly with the least loss so that I'm not out on the street. I can sell the car, but that means taking a big loss to get it gone quick because it needs work that I haven't been able to afford, and then I don't have a car.

Seriously did I have to get this 🤬 now? 🤬 the world and everything in it.

I'm glad to hear that your cat is getting taken care of. Unfortunately that cat is going to die. Hopefully not right now, but probably not all that long from now. A few years? 5 years? Where are you going to be in a few years? Are we going to say goodbye to Imari at that time? I know you're a smart person, and I know that you're capable of outliving your cat. I'm also quite confident that you're suffering, because someone who isn't suffering from something doesn't make these kinds of statements.

Here's the real problem with depression and suicide. I've been told, for example, that failed suicide attempts are often met with... less than exuberant care at the hospital. Often procedures are a bit more painful, and get put off a little longer, than they need to be - because people that value their lives are being displaced, and doctors often resent that. It is difficult for anyone around you to value your life more than you value your own. So when you tie yourself to your cat, it's hard for others not to do the same.

I've never battled depression. I've been depressed, but it's not the same. I hope that the situation with your cat is the tipping point for you in your fight, because regardless of how this surgery goes, you need to be ready to outlive that pet. I don't think any of us can truly help you. All I can say is that I hope you find what you're looking for.
 
I'm glad to hear that your cat is getting taken care of. Unfortunately that cat is going to die. Hopefully not right now, but probably not all that long from now. A few years? 5 years? Where are you going to be in a few years? Are we going to say goodbye to Imari at that time? I know you're a smart person, and I know that you're capable of outliving your cat. I'm also quite confident that you're suffering, because someone who isn't suffering from something doesn't make these kinds of statements.

Here's the real problem with depression and suicide. I've been told, for example, that failed suicide attempts are often met with... less than exuberant care at the hospital. Often procedures are a bit more painful, and get put off a little longer, than they need to be - because people that value their lives are being displaced, and doctors often resent that. It is difficult for anyone around you to value your life more than you value your own. So when you tie yourself to your cat, it's hard for others not to do the same.

I've never battled depression. I've been depressed, but it's not the same. I hope that the situation with your cat is the tipping point for you in your fight, because regardless of how this surgery goes, you need to be ready to outlive that pet. I don't think any of us can truly help you. All I can say is that I hope you find what you're looking for.

Is this your idea of helping?

Go away, Danoff. I bailed out of the Transgender thread because I couldn't face your relentless denial of how people feel. I didn't expect to find it here too. I thought you'd have good enough sense to leave me alone.

For your information, I hope I won't be severely depressed in 10 or 15 years when the cat dies. I hope that all the drugs and treatments and life changes that I'm working so hard on at the moment will have worked, because frankly I won't bother living through 15 years of severe depression. It's too unpleasant.

You might as well ask someone with a broken leg how they expect to run away from bandits in 15 years with a broken leg. They don't. They don't expect to have a broken leg by then.

I expect to be able to deal with the cat's death (and probably the death of my parents, who the cat will almost certainly outlive) like a normal person. I will be sad, I will grieve, I will seek support from my by then extensive emotional support community that I will have built up and I will move on with my life. I've had pets and relatives die before, and I dealt with it. But this time, even the threat of it was enough to drive me near to panic.

Just because something would break me now at my weakest moment, doesn't mean that it always will. I don't expect you to understand what it's like to be ruled by emotions and feelings that are beyond your control. You don't understand it in the Transgender thread, and you won't understand it here. This is something I'm trying my best to deal with, but at the same time I'm forced to live the day to day. And that means having moments like these where I freak out.

I turned to GTP for support, and I'm not sorry I did. Many people were very kind. You are not.

I will not reply to anything further from you, because you're on ignore. If you won't leave me alone out of courtesy, I'll make it happen myself. I do not need to deal with your 🤬 at the moment.

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For everyone else who may be following along:

The cat went through surgery fine, she wasn't eating afterwards at the hospital but she's eating now that she's home. I will admit to having a happy cry when she took that first bite.

My mother came through and offered financial support. I'm very grateful, because honestly it could have gone either way. It's given me time to restructure my finances because while this would always have been a big blow, it wouldn't have been as bad had I been more prepared. I should have been, but depression.

For myself, I'm feeling a lot better. It's remarkable how much one can come to depend on seemingly trivial things. I suppose everyone has things upon which they rely pretty strongly, a wife, children, parents, and so on. To have them removed is a shock for anyone. I think with depression part of it is that your strongest links to the world become very few, and potentially are not what most people might expect.

Pets seem to be a common one, because they tend to love you unconditionally. Whatever I go through, my cat is there to give me hugs, lick my face and beg for pats. That matters.

If anyone follows the fighting game community, they may be familiar with what Nuckledu (a top player) went through not so long ago. Basically, guy was saved by his dog. The love of his dog kept him alive long enough for friends to get in touch and help.

I'm not in that place, but I'm still on top of it enough to recognise the things that might drive me there. I had lifeline dialed into my phone so that I could just push a button, and I'd already called friends to warn them that I might need to come over and stay at their place. I'm prepared, but I think it's also important not to lie to myself and others about what's going on, especially when I'm getting panicky. I can pretend to be normal all day, but I'm not so sure that's what's needed any more.

Thank you to all who offered kind words and support. The knowledge that there are people that would help some stranger on the internet helps more than you can possibly imagine.
 
Go away, Danoff. I bailed out of the Transgender thread because I couldn't face your relentless denial of how people feel.

Yeah, that's called reality. And reality is waiting for you. You would be wise to not ignore @Danoff-- his comments are at worst benign and at best ought to be encouraging as they are firmly grounded in reality. You can't just expect that things will be better. Nothing is going to magically take care of you. I wasted two years of my life "expecting" that I would be better prepared to deal with new challenges and scarily formidable obstacles. Time hasn't ever done anyone any favors. Rather, it's what you do with it that counts. You have to be proactive in taking care of yourself and working for your own behalf.

Sounds to me like you need proper, medical help. If you're that far along and suffering so greatly from depression that it has affected your life that much, then you would probably do well with a psych consult and course of action. Depression and grief are different. Grief does not prevent you from holding a job and being completely ruined. The good news is that working hard and having a keen sense of awareness for your situation will likely pay off. Never despair, just keep working through it with all the help you can get.

I fixed my issues, and now I'm progressing too. I have job offers. I have a path for my future. Even in the face of grief, I am still progressing. But it's hard-ass work, and it's worth it.
 
Sounds to me like you need proper, medical help. If you're that far along and suffering so greatly from depression that it has affected your life that much, then you would probably do well with a psych consult and course of action.

Jesus Christ, I have consulted with a doctor and am seeing him monthly and am seeing a psychologist weekly. I'm on medication, have a strict diet and exercise plan, and various tasks and writings to complete each week.

What the **** more do you want from me? Am I not allowed to come here and speak about the issues that I'm going through? Do I have to come and be confronted by you and Danoff saying "Yep, that's life, suck it up"?

You guys are dickheads.

Depression and grief are different. Grief does not prevent you from holding a job and being completely ruined.

And what led you to assume that grief was my problem? I have been diagnosed with severe depression and anxiety, and am undergoing treatment. Both my doctor and psychologist have warned me that this is likely to take at least a year to treat, possibly several years. I'm well aware that at this particular point in time I'm fairly unstable (exhibit A: this post) and it takes very little to push me over the edge.

Go **** yourself. You and Danoff have no idea what you're talking about.
 
Oh, I didn't know. You probably shouldn't tell people giving you advice to go screw themselves. If you're just using this to vent, you should probably say so. That, or just write it to yourself. Do you just want people to commiserate with you or something? That's not really the point of this thread. Or is it? I'm certainly not going to tune in for a pity party. Did your psychologist tell you to have a fit on the interwebs as part of your therapy?

I didn't assume grief was your problem (rather, depression). But your cat has given you grief, clearly. You should be able to cope with it, though. Glad she's doing better, especially considering the cost.
 
@Imari Wow. Look I have been in depression for a long time and I wanted to support you in a way. But seeing the respond to some guys who atleast try to do so, even when you didnt necessarily agreed with him, is quite surprising.

If i could I can do that several times back (especially the drinking water thing). Its just i know that it'll be always come out wrong.
 
That's not really the point of this thread. Or is it? I'm certainly not going to tune in for a pity party.

Did your psychologist tell you to have a fit on the interwebs as part of your therapy?
That really comes across as nothing more than a condescending taunt, and not anywhere near being even "tough love". I got into a scuffle with @Imari a few months ago on GTP and he acted out a bit and pulled out the claws, but I think that people earn the right to latitude, and he had plenty in the bank. I hope that @Danoff might be able to be broad-shouldered enough to think similarly.

It's certainly not my place to ask you to leave, but if you're just going to cruelly push buttons for kicks as I think is demonstrated in the statements above, I will be hoping that you leave.
 
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