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Diesel Cars in GT5?
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And Sniffs, as long as they didn't replicate the real-world reliability (or lack thereof) of American passenger car diesels from the '70s and '80s, I'd love to have those included just for laughs, though a lowered Olds Delta 88 coupe with a fully-upgraded 350 diesel (with a turbo kit, perhaps?) would be pretty sweet...
An interesting article here outlines many of the issues and reasons the GM passenger car motors in particular negatively shaped the American opinion of Diesel powered passenger cars.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/18/automobiles/collectibles/18RUST.html
My family owned a 1978 Cadillac Seville with a 5.7 Diesel. It was eventually converted to gas, for all of the known reasons.
I think it would be interesting to include some of the better diesel pickups if we want to see big American diesels. All of the big 3 have recent examples of some very good diesel products that outperform their gasoline counterparts in heavy use applications. 👍
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-> I should say 'every car is welcome on GT as long if its significant and not outlandish'. 
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EDK: the article explains a lot, and I think It should be recommended reading for diesel lovers around the world...America really IS clueless with deisel.
masas: check with your compeditors at Mercedes. they're having trouble getting their Bluetecs converted to american standards, and you guys should have just as much trouble
masas: check with your compeditors at Mercedes. they're having trouble getting their Bluetecs converted to american standards, and you guys should have just as much trouble
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I think there should be big-rig style diesel tractor trailers. Seriously, would be a cool novelty... good for drags.
I saw this video of a truck pull that gave me nightmares... like 3000hp tractor trailers head to head pulling massive loads. The one looked like some demonic hell-beast, the front right wheel was like 6 ft off the ground while the front left was like 3 feet off the ground and the whole thing was jumping and twisting violently... nevermind no tractor trailers in GT5
think happy thoughts, haaaaappy thooooughts
I saw this video of a truck pull that gave me nightmares... like 3000hp tractor trailers head to head pulling massive loads. The one looked like some demonic hell-beast, the front right wheel was like 6 ft off the ground while the front left was like 3 feet off the ground and the whole thing was jumping and twisting violently... nevermind no tractor trailers in GT5
think happy thoughts, haaaaappy thooooughts
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^ Ah, you mean these?
-> As what I said earlier, every vehicle is welcome.
-> As what I said earlier, every vehicle is welcome.
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^ Ah, you mean these?
-> As what I said earlier, every vehicle is welcome.
Sorta, my one buddy and his brother are building some big I-6 diesel dodge pickup exactly like those, I've been giving some odds and ends engineering advice. He sent me the link to the video in question, I'll see if I can't find it and post a link...
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Some examples of Diesel Power:
I think it will be very nice to have some black smoke like this:
I think it will be very nice to have some black smoke like this:
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you forgot this "beast" (yvan muller first seat in the corner http://i.eurosport.com/2008/11/16/480663.jpg
it was a diesel. but i think they need/will insert these kind of cars because diesels do have the power and are more used now days then it was 6 years back.
(yvan muller first seat in the corner http://i.eurosport.com/2008/11/16/480663.jpgit was a diesel. but i think they need/will insert these kind of cars because diesels do have the power and are more used now days then it was 6 years back.
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GT5 is a car simulator and in fact it will be nice to have diferents Gas and Diesel model's to compare:
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BMW 335d Coupe '08
BMW 335i Coupe '08
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Audi A4 3.0 V6 TDi '08
Audi A4 3.2 V6 FSi '08
etc...
In Motorsport the diesel cars are more and more competitive for example in WTCC the winner Seat León TDi, or in Le Mans the battle between Peugeot 908 HDi FAP and the Audi R10 TDi.
Some of the big manufacturers (BMW, Toyota, Honda, Volkswagen...) are working and developing Hybrid-Diesel cars for the future!
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BMW 335d Coupe '08
BMW 335i Coupe '08
or
Audi A4 3.0 V6 TDi '08
Audi A4 3.2 V6 FSi '08
etc...
In Motorsport the diesel cars are more and more competitive for example in WTCC the winner Seat León TDi, or in Le Mans the battle between Peugeot 908 HDi FAP and the Audi R10 TDi.
Some of the big manufacturers (BMW, Toyota, Honda, Volkswagen...) are working and developing Hybrid-Diesel cars for the future!
👍
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All about the Audi diesel if we have to have them....
But i am a petrolhead first. I mean, who can resist the rumble and grunt of a V10 petrol engine. Much better than the low down power of a diesel.
Actually thinking about it diesel engined cars in GT5 are of no interest to me whatsoever.
But i am a petrolhead first. I mean, who can resist the rumble and grunt of a V10 petrol engine. Much better than the low down power of a diesel.
Actually thinking about it diesel engined cars in GT5 are of no interest to me whatsoever.
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So that would make the R10 a copy of the Pescarolo C60 Race Cars from GT4, that seem to go hugely long distances...but the Pescarolos only got that far on tire life, and so far as I understand, pitstops in GT for AI is determined by tire life. So the AI might still pit at the same points because of the tire life.
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I agree with you, but possibly in GT5 the Pitstop may be more related to reality (changing tires and fuel) or who knows mechanical arrangements.
In fact the diesel cars will have a major advantage because they consume less fuel, doing less pitstops, a strategy that has shown great results as the Le Mans 24 hours.
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we need diesel car!!
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I agree with you, but possibly in GT5 the Pitstop may be more related to reality (changing tires and fuel) or who knows mechanical arrangements.
In fact the diesel cars will have a major advantage because they consume less fuel, doing less pitstops, a strategy that has shown great results as the Le Mans 24 hours.
So that would still make the C60's what they were before in GT4, as they are diesels, only it will come down to its fuel rather than the life in the tires.
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I think they should have them for sure. I had a 04 Ford F-350 and the diesel in it responded so good to just a chip it was ridiculous. Just set on economy mode it would bark the tires when shifting all the way up to 4th, thats with a power eating auto trans too. My old mustang could have cared less if the chip was in it or not. Turbo charged diesel just flows performance.
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Yes we need . . . and we need this to:
GMC Duramax Diesel Racer - Really Truckin'
Gale Banks could have invented that familiar expression about thinking outside of the box. Long known for developing a number of innovative high-performance projects, his latest endeavor is not just a hot ride but a whole new approach to diesel performance. Banks is out to prove to the road-racing world that a 6.6L Duramax diesel can rev up like a gasoline engine and best the competition.
"I'm taking all of my years of gasoline performance and applying it to a diesel engine to make it more gas-like," he explains. "We got rid of some of that diesel torque and lost some of the weight, because we like it to spin faster." And in the process, he created a whole new breed of engine. Think of Banks' truck as crossbreeding between a sturdy Clydesdale and a thoroughbred racehorse.
It's easier said than done, of course, but keep in mind that the Duramax engine is very robust, so it has plenty of oats to spare. "The durability of this thing is unbelievable," Banks says. "We've tuned it to death and haven't hurt it."
Let's take a look at just how much power he's squeezing out of a Duramax. Normally, a stock LLY block calibrated with a manual transmission cranks out 310 hp at 3,000 rpm and 605 lb-ft at 1,600 rpm. Now, imagine it revving up to as much as 5,000 rpm-nearly 2,000 rpm above redline. Depending on the tuning, Banks' dyno figures show outputs of 650 to 700 hp and 800 to 900 lb-ft of torque. Note that the horsepower more than doubles, while the torque increase is about a 50 percent gain (we'll explain why in a moment). More torque could be dialed in, but the Banks team has to make sure the rest of the drivetrain will survive this flood of power. What a concept-and one that requires digging into some serious tech details.
Before getting into that, however, let's cut to the juicy part. Gale Banks wasn't just planning on printing out dyno sheets. Instead, he hitched this spotted pony engine program to a tube chassis GMC Sierra race truck and created the Sidewinder D-Max Type-R. The "R" refers to the fact that it's been heavily modified for road course racing.
The plan is to have the truck compete at the 2006 National Auto Sport Association series in the Super Unlimited Class, which can include World Challenge and other high-end road-racing cars. Other endurance events are in the works, as well. (Lest you think it's odd for a diesel to compete in an endurance event, look no further than the Audi R10 TDI that just won the 12-hour race at Sebring.)...
GMC Duramax Diesel Racer - Really Truckin'
Gale Banks could have invented that familiar expression about thinking outside of the box. Long known for developing a number of innovative high-performance projects, his latest endeavor is not just a hot ride but a whole new approach to diesel performance. Banks is out to prove to the road-racing world that a 6.6L Duramax diesel can rev up like a gasoline engine and best the competition.
"I'm taking all of my years of gasoline performance and applying it to a diesel engine to make it more gas-like," he explains. "We got rid of some of that diesel torque and lost some of the weight, because we like it to spin faster." And in the process, he created a whole new breed of engine. Think of Banks' truck as crossbreeding between a sturdy Clydesdale and a thoroughbred racehorse.
It's easier said than done, of course, but keep in mind that the Duramax engine is very robust, so it has plenty of oats to spare. "The durability of this thing is unbelievable," Banks says. "We've tuned it to death and haven't hurt it."
Let's take a look at just how much power he's squeezing out of a Duramax. Normally, a stock LLY block calibrated with a manual transmission cranks out 310 hp at 3,000 rpm and 605 lb-ft at 1,600 rpm. Now, imagine it revving up to as much as 5,000 rpm-nearly 2,000 rpm above redline. Depending on the tuning, Banks' dyno figures show outputs of 650 to 700 hp and 800 to 900 lb-ft of torque. Note that the horsepower more than doubles, while the torque increase is about a 50 percent gain (we'll explain why in a moment). More torque could be dialed in, but the Banks team has to make sure the rest of the drivetrain will survive this flood of power. What a concept-and one that requires digging into some serious tech details.
Before getting into that, however, let's cut to the juicy part. Gale Banks wasn't just planning on printing out dyno sheets. Instead, he hitched this spotted pony engine program to a tube chassis GMC Sierra race truck and created the Sidewinder D-Max Type-R. The "R" refers to the fact that it's been heavily modified for road course racing.
The plan is to have the truck compete at the 2006 National Auto Sport Association series in the Super Unlimited Class, which can include World Challenge and other high-end road-racing cars. Other endurance events are in the works, as well. (Lest you think it's odd for a diesel to compete in an endurance event, look no further than the Audi R10 TDI that just won the 12-hour race at Sebring.)...
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Absolutely, adding diesels would add an interesting twist to any long distance event. Golf TDI's. Seat Leon's, Seat Ibiza Cupra FR/TDI etc 
Don't get your hopes up for a ral launch - this is looking all but cancelled for the moment.But maybe we can have this:
Audi R8 V12 TDi
Engine type: 5934cc, 12 cylinders, twin turbodiesel
Torque: 500bhp @ 4500rpm / 738 lb ft @ 1750rpm
Performance: 0-62mph: 4.2sec / Top speed: 186mph-plus
Release: 2010
As for diesels in GT5, sure, I see no reason why they shouldn't be in there.
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to answer your last point- is diesel the future of motorsports? NO!! its a fossil fuel, no matter what you do its bad for the environment. It cant be too long, relatively, before everything is hydrogen powered with only 1 emission, water.
to your second point- how do you feel about diesel? I hate them, for the most part they stink, and noisy. Unless you have 60k (US) to buy a diesel Benz, the diesel volkswagen are ok also.
to your second point- how do you feel about diesel? I hate them, for the most part they stink, and noisy. Unless you have 60k (US) to buy a diesel Benz, the diesel volkswagen are ok also.
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