Diesel Cars in GT5?

[snowgt]

It's kind of funny how many people think that diesel-engined cars are so competitive in motorsports now. Fact of the matter is, that every event they compete in, they have been given a headstart by the technical regulations. E.g. in the WTCC, diesels are allowed to have the same displacement as petrol-engined cars (2l), but they are also allowed to use a turbo. Imagine what it would look like, if you strap the same turbo to the petrol-engined cars. There's a similar situation with Le Mans. This has been done, because a) manufacturers wanted to boost diesel sales and b) because people like to see their own car/brand winning races. Diesels became so popular, because diesel used to be less expensive than petrol. Now, due to the rising number of diesel-powered cars, and because there's a chemical limit as to how much diesel you can produce out of oil, the prices for diesel rose, so it has become much less attractive to buy a diesel again over the last 2 years or so. The tendency goes into the direction of turbo-charged petrol engines with smaller displacements. So, once this diesel hype has passed, we will see less diesel racecars again. And quite rightly so.

 

[niky]

The LeMans regs are interesting... allowing diesel not only access to variable geometry turbochargers (banned on petrol cars) and bigger restrictors... but also more displacement.

The WTCC rules are sorta fair, but they should allow gasoline cars to have turbos, as other series do, and cap them with an air restrictor, instead.

I see the LeMans rules easing up restrictions on gasoline engines or increasing them on diesels as the technology gets better, just to even up the field. They have to, as the rules are quite antiquated.

But... even if the rules are balanced out, I do see a future for diesel performance cars... with new aluminum blocks and higher revs, the current crop of diesels is not that far off from turbocharged petrols...

Given a race series of 2.0 touring cars, with both turbocharged petrols and diesels with similar air restrictors keeping the diesels at 200 hp and the petrols under 250, the racing will be an interesting game of give-and-take between out-of-corner pace and straightline speed.

 

[Max_DC]

I don't like diesel in sports cars, it just doesn't fit. About 40% of all cars sold in Germany are diesel, so I know what I'm talking about. I've driven many diesel cars from 1.9 VW TDIover BMW 3.30d to 4 litre 8 zylinder 550 NM torque Mercedes S-class diesel. Being quick alone doesn't count, bad sound and poor power above 3000 rpm pretty much kill half the fun. Modern diesel cars are not that bad anymore, but they still can't be compared to petrol cars regarding emotion.

Then again I don't think that a reasonable ( = small ) amount of diesel cars will harm GT5, so I guess more variety doesn't hurt anybody.

 

[Nomino]

Modern diesel cars are not that bad anymore, but they still can't be compared to petrol cars regarding emotion.

Emotion alone never did win a race...

 

[Sniffs]

I don't like diesel in sports cars, it just doesn't fit. About 40% of all cars sold in Germany are diesel, so I know what I'm talking about. I've driven many diesel cars from 1.9 VW TDIover BMW 3.30d to 4 litre 8 zylinder 550 NM torque Mercedes S-class diesel. Being quick alone doesn't count, bad sound and poor power above 3000 rpm pretty much kill half the fun. Modern diesel cars are not that bad anymore, but they still can't be compared to petrol cars regarding emotion.

Then again I don't think that a reasonable ( = small ) amount of diesel cars will harm GT5, so I guess more variety doesn't hurt anybody.

must be a genuine car enthusiast...he listens to the 8 cylinder symphony instead of Beethoven and company
too bad some of us are busy listening to valve rattle, suspension popping, tire roar, wind roar, road joint rythyms, pothole percussion, and what's more or less a stone symphony.

 

[Griffith500]

Now, due to the rising number of diesel-powered cars, and because there's a chemical limit as to how much diesel you can produce out of oil

I'm being somewhat of a pedant, but the limit is purely physical - that is to say, we currently "polymerise" (or whatever the correct term is in the petrochem industry) and "crack" the various fractions of petroleum to meet the demands of the other fractions. The demand for petrol (gasoline) is met by cracking higher-boiling alkanes etc. down to "size." If Diesel fuel becomes the dominant, production can be shifted, at a cost. I agree with what you say about Diesel cars being pushed by manufacturers, but that's a good thing, as the Diesels are themselves good. I also share your view on the current competition regs...

Back OnT, I'm all for Diesels in the game - it adds variety and another level of choices for a given competition.
TurboDiesels have a lot of potential - actually more than turbo- / supercharged petrols, due to the nature of the fuel & thermodynamic cycle. Even if some shift in regs or economics does occur, I don't see them disappearing altogether from competition now that they're at this level - it should push the petrol engine to new heights, which in turn will pull the Diesel up further yet.

GT should encapsulate the current spirit of (enthusiastically) driving and competing in motor vehicles, which just so happens to feature Diesels fairly prominently. Hybrids, however "prominent," are currently all a bag of 🤬 and can gladly be omitted...

As for Hydrogen - well, let's work on reliably containing it first; it's no good to us in space..! Bring on the (from-waste-produced) biofuels, I say!

 

[-ultraflow-]

I'm being somewhat of a pedant, but the limit is purely physical - that is to say, we currently "polymerise" (or whatever the correct term is in the petrochem industry) and "crack" the various fractions of petroleum to meet the demands of the other fractions. The demand for petrol (gasoline) is met by cracking higher-boiling alkanes etc. down to "size." If Diesel fuel becomes the dominant, production can be shifted, at a cost. I agree with what you say about Diesel cars being pushed by manufacturers, but that's a good thing, as the Diesels are themselves good. I also share your view on the current competition regs...

Back OnT, I'm all for Diesels in the game - it adds variety and another level of choices for a given competition.
TurboDiesels have a lot of potential - actually more than turbo- / supercharged petrols, due to the nature of the fuel & thermodynamic cycle. Even if some shift in regs or economics does occur, I don't see them disappearing altogether from competition now that they're at this level - it should push the petrol engine to new heights, which in turn will pull the Diesel up further yet.

GT should encapsulate the current spirit of (enthusiastically) driving and competing in motor vehicles, which just so happens to feature Diesels fairly prominently. Hybrids, however "prominent," are currently all a bag of 🤬 and can gladly be omitted...

As for Hydrogen - well, let's work on reliably containing it first; it's no good to us in space..! Bring on the (from-waste-produced) biofuels, I say!

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That the correct answer!

 

[Nomino]

I'm being somewhat of a pedant, but the limit is purely physical - that is to say, we currently "polymerise" (or whatever the correct term is in the petrochem industry) and "crack" the various fractions of petroleum to meet the demands of the other fractions. The demand for petrol (gasoline) is met by cracking higher-boiling alkanes etc. down to "size." If Diesel fuel becomes the dominant, production can be shifted, at a cost. I agree with what you say about Diesel cars being pushed by manufacturers, but that's a good thing, as the Diesels are themselves good. I also share your view on the current competition regs...

Back OnT, I'm all for Diesels in the game - it adds variety and another level of choices for a given competition.
TurboDiesels have a lot of potential - actually more than turbo- / supercharged petrols, due to the nature of the fuel & thermodynamic cycle. Even if some shift in regs or economics does occur, I don't see them disappearing altogether from competition now that they're at this level - it should push the petrol engine to new heights, which in turn will pull the Diesel up further yet.

GT should encapsulate the current spirit of (enthusiastically) driving and competing in motor vehicles, which just so happens to feature Diesels fairly prominently. Hybrids, however "prominent," are currently all a bag of 🤬 and can gladly be omitted...

As for Hydrogen - well, let's work on reliably containing it first; it's no good to us in space..! Bring on the (from-waste-produced) biofuels, I say!

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That the incorrect answer!

 

[-ultraflow-]

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That the incorrect answer!

Why?

Gives us an example.

 

[benzoboy]

I feel this is relevant to the thread.

Anyway, I reckon that they should include some more average diesels:

Citroen C5 2.7HDi V6
208bhp@4000rpm
325lb.ft@1900rpm
0-60 - 8.9sec
Top Speed - 139mph
MPG - 33.6 Combined Average

Saab 9-3 1.9TTiD l4
178bhp@4000rpm
295lb.ft@1850rpm
0-60 - 8.3sec
Top Speed - 137mph
MPG - 48.7 Combined

Ford Mondeo ST 2.2 TDCi
153bhp@3500rpm
265lb.ft@1800-2250rpm
0-60 - 8.7sec
Top Speed - 137mph
MPG - 40~ Combined

Now this race I'd like to see. 👍

 

[chrisbroughton]

I'm sorry, but the game is called GT5 and whether you like diesels or not you cannot ommit the most successful GT cars in the world at the moment - the Audi R10 and the Peugeot 908.

 

[corporatesteve]

the whole reason why diesel is better is only focused on endurance races.... gasoline powered racecars have to pit all the time to refuel and it takes around 10-15 mins per fueling stop depending on the endurance race and class....

diesel powered racecars go twice as long on fuel which means they pit half as much for that same race , that adds up to a lot of time saved!!....

its clearly simple that the better fueling choice for long distance runs is desiel....

 

[xStretch-]

Would be nice to have a diesel race series .

 

[racegeek]

once i drove a ford mondeo 04 diesel which was chipped and guess what, the engine went all the way to 5000 rpm which gave the car a good acceleration. so diesel is not necesary slow or low revved. i believe diesel is cheaper to tune too so i hope there will be more diesel cars in GT5.

 

[-ultraflow-]

once i drove a ford mondeo 04 diesel which was chipped and guess what, the engine went all the way to 5000 rpm which gave the car a good acceleration. so diesel is not necesary slow or low revved. i believe diesel is cheaper to tune too so i hope there will be more diesel cars in GT5.

Yes moderns diesel cars are cheaper and easy to tune see example with a simple electronic chip swap:


BMW 320d

167cv -> 212cv

BMW 535D

275cv -> 330cv

Mercedes-Benz E270 Cdi

180cv -> 220cv

Audi A3 2.0 TDi

140cv -> 180cv

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[Context]

But maybe we can have this:

Audi R8 V12 TDi

Engine type: 5934cc, 12 cylinders, twin turbodiesel

Torque: 500bhp @ 4500rpm / 738 lb ft @ 1750rpm

Performance: 0-62mph: 4.2sec / Top speed: 186mph-plus

Release: 2010

I was just about to post a link to that exact car. I bet that is one badass sounding car.

 

[Context]

we need diesel car!!

i did not know r15's existed

 

[nevertell]

Heck, diesel FTW!
I wonder, is diesel popular in Japan?

 

[Shant J.]

Heck, diesel FTW!
I wonder, is diesel popular in Japan?

Not by a long shot. I recall reading that diesel accounts for less than half a percent of cars there. I think the only diesel consumer car there is the Nissan X-Trail.

 

[balang_479]

Diesel FTW! I love petrol but modern diesel and superb... my dad has the new Passat 2.0 TDi with DSG and gotta say, it feels so much more than 180hp, foot down and instantly climb through the revs, skids in 2nd in straight line, i can hold on to most cars, plus super quick shifts... plus red line is at 6000 and never falls off through the rev range and sounds nice.

 

[semilife]

Well the inclusion of diesel engined cars will certainly be interesting, I am not absolutely convinced of the merits of doing so in a videogame. I mean what are the advantages of having petrol Vs diesel engines? In the real world there are obviousl advantages such as fuel economy, reliability etc...How would these translate into video game simulation, would you really consider a diesel engine if it lacked the power of its petrol counterpart simply for the sake of choosing a diesel.

 

[Kryz11]

Endurace racing will have PP probably or some HP locks. So lets say this race has 50 laps with max HP of 350HP, you will get a Diesel car, tune it up to 350 HP, plus since its endurance race you will have more economical car, so more laps without fuel stops.

I will be happy with more diesels in GT5 game, especially if there is POWER cap for endurance racing.

 

[TVC]

I don't see a reason not to include diesels in the game. They have always been big in Europe and are becoming more prominent in the U.S. I do not see a reason not to include them especially with the release of the 335 D in the U.S. and other diesel cars that seem to fit in GT5 including the Golf TDI and the E320 Bluetec. It would be great to see diesels in the game because they might be useful for endurance races. Most modern diesel cars are almost as fast as non-diesel cars but they get much better mpg.

 

[marky5244]

I hope that the BMW 118d - the 2008 World Green Car - is included in GT5 as I just bought one in real life.

 

[steven]

If the Le Mans Series (Europe) would be present in GT5, we obviously would/should have the Audi and Peugeot diesel LMP1 cars in the new game.

For road cars, I'd settle for the Audi R8 V12 TDI, one of the BMW diesel sedans, and the VW Touareg V10 just to fool around with any Range Rover provided in the game.

 

[steve30x]

I think we should get diesel VW's , Toyota's and other makes of diesel road cars. I know im not the only one here who enjoy the slow cars every once in a while , I even tried to take the model T ford around Nordschliefe in GT4 but it didnt have the power to conquer the first hill.

 

[-ultraflow-]

I think we should get diesel VW's , Toyota's and other makes of diesel cars. I know im not the only one here who enjoy the slow cars every once in a while , I even tried to take the model T ford around Nordschliefe in GT4 but it didnt have the power to conquer the first hill.

The diesels are slow????

Have you seen lately WTCC and Le Mans series?

 

[steve30x]

The diesels are slow????

Have you seen lately WTCC and Le Mans series?

UHM Is a diesel Polo fast? IS a Diesel Vectra fast? I know plenty of slow diesel cars. A lot of ROAD cars that are diesel arent fast. Im pretty sure I didnt mention WTCC or Le-Mans cars did I? I did actually mean road cars just to make it clear. I know some diesel road cars are fast but a lot of diesel road cars are sluggish and slow.

 

[Stevisiov]

UHM Is a diesel Polo fast? IS a Diesel Vectra fast? I know plenty of slow diesel cars. A lot of ROAD cars that are diesel arent fast. Im pretty sure I didnt mention WTCC or Le-Mans cars did I? I did actually mean road cars just to make it clear. I know some diesel road cars are fast but a lot of diesel road cars are sluggish and slow.

Right so the Mazda Demio is fast right? what about the Toyota Yaris?

Hold on, is the normal petrol polo fast?

Does a car have to be fast to be in Gran Turismo?

Nope. Inculding Diesel cars, means including cars with different power bands than what we expect from petrol is good because it adds diversity. Discounting diesels for their speed is inane, lets not forget TDi can often have better acceleration than their petrol counterparts due to thier high Torque, although generally have less power. Diversity in car selection has always been one of Gran Turismo's greatest attributes, why exclude diesels?

 

[steve30x]

Right so the Mazda Demio is fast right? what about the Toyota Yaris?

Hold on, is the normal petrol polo fast?

Does a car have to be fast to be in Gran Turismo?

Nope. Inculding Diesel cars, means including cars with different power bands than what we expect from petrol is good because it adds diversity. Discounting diesels for their speed is inane, lets not forget TDi can often have better acceleration than their petrol counterparts due to thier high Torque, although generally have less power. Diversity in car selection has always been one of Gran Turismo's greatest attributes, why exclude diesels?

Thats what my point was. I like to use the slow cars sometimes. I would like to see diesel as in GT5.