DiRT Rally 2.0 General Discussion

[fernandito]

Woooot? Are you sure?

Even better than DR 2.0?

You should give it a go unless you don't have a wheel. If you use controller, then you will be better off playing DR1 and 2 rallycross. On the contrary, in case you do own a wheel then nothing comes close to Project Cars 2 rallycross physics.

That is why many of us are so excited awaiting for SMS to make their own rally/offroad game. Their loose surface physics are the best out there without question, as well as tarmac being among the best too, if not the best after rfactor2.

 

[paulpg87]

You should give it a go unless you don't have a wheel. If you use controller, then you will be better off playing DR1 and 2 rallycross. On the contrary, in case you do own a wheel then nothing comes close to Project Cars 2 rallycross physics.

That is why many of us are so excited awaiting for SMS to make their own rally/offroad game. Their loose surface physics are the best out there without question, as well as tarmac being among the best too, if not the best after rfactor2.

Yes, the problem is that they can't pull out a good game overall.

However my personal best would be Codemasters with full WRC licence delivering a standalone game like F1 2018. WRC series is becoming good but quality/visually wise Is still behind Codemaster.

Do not care really that much about super realistic physics.

 

[fernandito]

Never implied that project cars 2 might have realistic physics .It's simply that they feel like the best with many cars. And in rallycross it's way above anything seen about gravel and those funny cars, certainly powerful and fun that too oh yes.

I'm actually looking forward to learning of the next version of the mad engine and its supposed evolution and upgrading for next gen stuff. The last thing I would hate is them taking full arcade direction when patching and updating it for the next gen, but as you very well say physics don't have to be that important as long as they are decent and you have fun with it through immense ammount of content like these; i mean if SMS is making a driveclub-like game regarding that supposed need for speed project of theirs then ooh yes babe bring it on! anytime like you say : - D, but with better physics and superior everything, not just content

 

[Nielsen]

As a matter of curiosity. What is everyone heres favourite ever rally game?

This one if it also ends up having Finland, Wales and Greece.

 

[kembro]

That game already exists and is called Project Cars 2. No better rallycross physics available in any other game.

I always enjoy PC2 Rallycross, especially the ice RX, but I reckon DR2 is even better. The run today in the daily, with the R5 Subi, in the rain at Hell was epic. A bit like PC2 with the looseness of SLRE.

 

[kikie]

I want realistic physics. Racing games are a substitute for the real thing, which is not possible for me (the real thing I mean). That is why I prefer DR 2.0 over pCars 2.

 

[PJTierney]

 

[MrCrynox]

As ever, great video PJ. I really like the way you occasionally swap to outside shots, it breaks it up nicely. I also like you minimalist text information it's much better than voice, (as it doesn't interfere with the replay sounds), and it's not too much/just enough. Keep em coming 👍

 

[PJTierney]

Thanks @MrCrynox

 

[fernandito]

. That is why I prefer DR 2.0 over pCars 2.

I don't think you are even conscious about what you are talking about. If you really like rallycross that much then I'd seriously advice go check pc2 rallycross physics before speaking nonsense again

 

[kikie]

I don't think you are even conscious about what you are talking about. If you really like rallycross that much then I'd seriously advice go check pc2 rallycross physics before speaking nonsense again

Wow, calm down. I'm not speaking nonsens. If somenone is speaking nonsens it is you.

DR 2.0 is praised for its realistic physics and you said it yourself that pCars 2's isn't that realistic regarding physics.
You have to change your atitude if you don't want to get banned in the near future.

Never implied that project cars 2 might have realistic physics .

That game already exists and is called Project Cars 2. No better rallycross physics available in any other game.

You're contradicting yourself big time. If the physics aren't realistic, the physics are arcade or simcade at best.

Who is not conscious about what you're talking about? Not me, that for sure.

 

[Ali]

Might be just me, but I never exactly found Dirt Rally (1 or 2) realistic . The reason I play DR is that it's very immersive. Besides, there aren't too many options when it comes to rallying.

It's been a while since I last played PCars2, but I'd say rallycross was a lot more enjoyable in that game, in every possible way.

 

[Racetee]

Wow, calm down. I'm not speaking nonsens. If somenone is speaking nonsens it is you.

DR 2.0 is praised for its realistic physics and you said it yourself that pCars 2's isn't that realistic regarding physics.

Wow wow. PC2 isn't realistic regarding physics? I don't know if you mean the same game, but PC2 is one of the most advanced simulators of the current generation.

 

[kikie]

Might be just me, but I never exactly found Dirt Rally (1 or 2) realistic . The reason I play DR is that it's very immersive. Besides, there aren't too many options when it comes to rallying.

It's been a while since I last played PCars2, but I'd say rallycross was a lot more enjoyable in that game, in every possible way.

Sounds interesting. Too bad I never got pCars 2. Enjoyable is not the same as realism IMO.

Realism is what makes a sim enjoyable for me personally unless you have the mess and mayhem of Wreckfest. I really enjoy Wreckfest although this is not a sim.

Wow wow. PC2 isn't realistic regarding physics? I don't know if you mean the same game, but PC2 is one of the most advanced simulators of the current generation.

It seems that you have re-read the posts. It is not me who said that pCars 2 isn't realistic. @fernandito did. I have no idea if pCars 2 is realistic or not. I was merely answering his posts where he contradicts himself.

 

[Scaff]

Wow, calm down. I'm not speaking nonsens. If somenone is speaking nonsens it is you.

DR 2.0 is praised for its realistic physics and you said it yourself that pCars 2's isn't that realistic regarding physics.

DR2 has more realistic physics than the first title, but its certainly not close to PC2 in terms of its physics engine, in particular its tyre model.

 

[kikie]

DR2 has more realistic physics than the first title, but its certainly not close to PC2 in terms of its physics engine, in particular its tyre model.

I believe you and as I said, I have no idea if pCars 2 is realistic or not. Again I was only reacting to @fernandito's posts where he contradicts himself. He said :

Never implied that project cars 2 might have realistic physics.

That game already exists and is called Project Cars 2. No better rallycross physics available in any other game.

Why do I get quoted all the time when he (= fernandito) was contradicting himself and I honestly said that I have no clue if pCars 2 is realistic or not? The only thing I said it that I praise DR 2.0 for its realism.


It seems that I have to give pCars 2 a change and find out myself.

 

[MagpieRacer]

I think some people get controller feel confused with realistic physics. There no question PC2 has the more advanced engine, but DR2 feels slightly better on pad (imo) and that can lend to the illusion of being better in that physics area.

In a roundabout out way what I think I'm trying to say is DR2 feels like how you expect rallycross cars to feel when you watch it. Whereas PC2 is more realistic in all aspects of the car dynamics.

Does that make any sense?

 

[Scaff]

I believe you and as I said, I have no idea if pCars 2 is realistic or not. Again I was only reacting to @fernandito's posts where he contradicts himself. He said :

fernandito: ↑
Never implied that project cars 2 might have realistic physics.

fernandito: ↑
That game already exists and is called Project Cars 2. No better rallycross physics available in any other game.

Have you considered that it could be down to translation issues?

You also need to remember that you said...

"I want realistic physics. Racing games are a substitute for the real thing, which is not possible for me (the real thing I mean). That is why I prefer DR 2.0 over pCars 2."

...while having not tried PC2 at all.

Why do I get quoted all the time when he (= fernandito) was contradicting himself and I honestly said that I have no clue if pCars 2 is realistic or not? The only thing I said it that I praise DR 2.0 for its realism.


It seems that I have to give pCars 2 a change and find out myself.

I would strongly suggest you give it a go.

 

[kikie]

Have you considered that it could be down to translation issues?

Nope.
He clearly contradicts himself. No game has better rallycross physics and he never implied that pCars 2 might have realistic physics. That is a contradiction. If he means something else, he has to explain himself better and in a nicer manner.

I would strongly suggest you give it a go.

It seems so. Maybe I will. I'm not sure if I want to spend money on yet another sim at this time.

I bought pCars a few years ago and wasn't impressed at all. That is the reason why I never bought pCars 2.

 

[Scaff]

Nope.
He clearly contradicts himself. No game has better rallycross physics and he never implied that pCars 2 might have realistic physics. That is a contradiction. If he means something else, he has to explain himself better and in a nicer manner.
It seems so. Maybe I will. I'm not sure if I want to spend money on yet another sim at this time.

I bought pCars a few years ago and wasn't impressed at all. That is the reason why I never bought pCars 2.

If you really want to get into that kind of discussion you might then want to explain why you said...

"I want realistic physics. Racing games are a substitute for the real thing, which is not possible for me (the real thing I mean). That is why I prefer DR 2.0 over pCars 2."

....which clearly states that DR2 has better physics than PC2, yet you have never played PC2!

As such maybe its something that it would be better to move on from, given the post of yours I quoted above is missleading to say the least, and you contradict yourself when you then say you have never tried PC2.

 

[kikie]

If you really want to get into that kind of discussion you might then want to explain why you said...

"I want realistic physics. Racing games are a substitute for the real thing, which is not possible for me (the real thing I mean). That is why I prefer DR 2.0 over pCars 2."

....which clearly states that DR2 has better physics than PC2, yet you have never played PC2!

As such maybe its something that it would be better to move on from, given the post of yours I quoted above is missleading to say the least, and you contradict yourself when you then say you have never tried PC2.

Yes, you are correct. I contradicted myself. But I was going by what fernandito said that pCars 2 might not have realistic physics. That is why I said that I prefer DR 2.0.
Because he said that pCars 2 might not have realistic physics, I thought that DR 2.0 was more realistic hence me saying that I prefer DR 2.0.

So it seems that I didn't actually contradict myself after all and wasn't certainly not misleading at all.
The only thing I'm guilty of is that I took his word on pCars 2 might not have realistic physics.

Now that I now pCars is probably better, and if that is the case, I'd prefer pCars 2. But as I said before, I'm not going to buy pCars 2 yet. Maybe later. But I'm intrigued.

I think some people get controller feel confused with realistic physics. There no question PC2 has the more advanced engine, but DR2 feels slightly better on pad (imo) and that can lend to the illusion of being better in that physics area.

In a roundabout out way what I think I'm trying to say is DR2 feels like how you expect rallycross cars to feel when you watch it. Whereas PC2 is more realistic in all aspects of the car dynamics.

Does that make any sense?

Yes it does. Thanks.

Now that I know better, I would probably prefer pCars 2.

 

[BrainsBush]

Haha due to Steam server error yesterday I had a synchronisation error within DR2.0 Career mode. Reset to new career. Now let's see if I improved over the last weeks. Start all over again in the Mini. And in between the Daily, Weekly challenges and some Monthly events. Busy times with DR2.0

Hopefully I will get the real Rally steering wheel from my colleague soonish. Will it make me faster NO!!! But the placebo works

 

[kikie]

I want a placebo wheel too @BrainsBush.

 

[PJTierney]

 

[kembro]

I do use SLRE, PC2 and DR2, enjoy them all. If anything I find PC2 easier and more predictable, but I like the challenge of controlling the other two. Without ever driving 600hp on wet mud I can't say which is closer too reality, or care. As long as they're fun.

 

[paulpg87]

I am really starting to get bored by the stages , especially USA and Australia. I think i will pause playing for a while. Really can't wait for CM to announce finland, greece and wales for season 2. This game needs disperately stages and locations.

Overall dirt1 had a way better location and stage selection. Do not really understand why they selected rallies like USA which do not have any wrc heritage. Also new zeeland Is really poor compared to the real wrc.

 

[MagpieRacer]

Theres more to rally than WRC. I think personally the stages are excellent. Each location has a different challenge to it. I think while the locations for DR1 are on paper more desirable I think they are both excellent sets of stages. Obviously it'll benefit by having more locations but what game wouldn't .

 

[kikie]

That is why I probably like RX so much. You can learn the tracks, improve your times etc... Oops, that's also the same with Rally.

 

[GroupB]

Do not really understand why they selected rallies like USA which do not have any wrc heritage.

The USA was part of the inaugural WRC in 1973. There have been five different USA WRC rounds, just none of them recent.

 

[MagpieRacer]

USA also featured in more colin mcrae rally games than New Zealand, Germany and Monte Carlo.