DLC #4 vs. GT6

[mcfizzle]

Kaz said somewhere that they're too busy with GTAcademy, so expect DLC (if any) to be delayed.

I don't think he said anything about being too busy for DLC because of GT Academy. IIRC he mentioned working hard, and responded to someone asking about DLC/update and he replied something about 'full blown GT Academy version, but not hinting at anything else.

 

[Rockr]

That is a good point but I bielive it will take awhile for gt6 to kick up due to the fact of having to buy a new sytem probably about $300ish and a $60 game so it maybe pricey at first but will b worth it

 

[Raggadish]

It doesn't matter what we think, what matters is what Kazunori want's. Remember all those features which never came to be in GT5? I'm not talking about livery editor, that hasn't been Kaz vision, I'm talking about youtube uploads, GT free roam and more. That isn't possible on the PS3, why limit oneself trying to fit stuff on the PS3 when the PS4 could bring features that never ever were possible on the PS3 to begin with.

 

[Samus]

It doesn't matter what his 'vision' is, they're working to the console the same as every other developer. I'm sure there are lots of things other devs want to do on PS3 but can't, that doesn't mean they just sit on the their arse and wait for some hardware that can do what they want, they get on with it and work with what they have.

I mean what If the PS4 comes out and then Kaz has a 'vision' for something that it can't do? Do we let him off the hook and let him wait for the PS5 which can do it?

We all have visions and dreams, but until they're possible they're just that, dreams. I'm a web developer and there are things I'd like to do on the web that aren't currently possible, technically. Do I sit and wait with my vision until it is possible? No I sit on the idea but get on with things that are possible.

Kaz and PD need to think about what they CAN do now and get it done.

 

[LarryL]

At this point they have to think about if it's worth releasing any more GT5 DLC. They may have the assets but it's not exactly free to release DLC and they don't want to waste any assets that could be used to sell GT6.

I get what you're saying and would agree if if it were a 3rd party developer. But PD being a Sony 1st party studio, does it really cost PD any real money to have GT5 DLC hosted on Sony servers? If Sony has to write itself a check, is it really spending any money?

Personally, I love GT5, and what would be ideal for my personal preference and based on where we are in this console generation, I would prefer GT5 were just expanded a bit more, then announce GT6 as an early (guaranteed 1st year) PS4 game.

And what I would like to spend my money on expanding GT5 for the rest of this gen would be one HUGE....maybe.....$20 expansion pack that adds a good long list of like 9 up-res'd classic GT tracks. And an update to just really polish the game off to where I think it's basically perfect by just opening every wheel type to be put on standards, and standard car's bodies being integrated into the simplified cockpit view. That would keep the game fresh for well over another year for me.

 

[Raggadish]

We all have visions and dreams, but until they're possible they're just that, dreams. Kaz and PD need to think about what they CAN do now and get it done.

Okay, then certainly livery editor, more cars on the track, AI improvments and much more is out the window because there simply isn't enough headroom to work those into the current hardware system.

Those improvments you suggestion doesn't fit with Kaz statement that things that can't be updated thru updates in GT5 would be reserved for GT6. You don't think that eludes more to better hardware then the same old hardware, espescially considering all the stuff they manged do via updates so far?

 

[Tornado]

Okay, then certainly livery editor, more cars on the track, AI improvments and much more is out the window because there simply isn't enough headroom to work those into the current hardware system.

Bull. "PD didn't get it done for GT5" doesn't mean the same thing as "it can't be done on PS3."



And honestly, this "it's all Kaz's vision" crap has been an annoying go-to defense for far too long now, so I'm not sure how anyone is supposed to even care at this point since people seem to like twisting it to suit whatever argument they want.

 

[Samus]

Okay, then certainly livery editor, more cars on the track, AI improvments and much more is out the window because there simply isn't enough headroom to work those into the current hardware system.

More cars on track - probably not, but not really that necessary.
AI improvements - to a degree it's limited by the hardware but i'm certain it could be better on this hardware.
Livery editor - most certainly can be done on the PS3. It could be done on the PS2 and neolithically on the PS1.

Those improvments you suggestion doesn't fit with Kaz statement that things that can't be updated thru updates in GT5 would be reserved for GT6. You don't think that eludes more to better hardware then the same old hardware, espescially considering all the stuff they manged do via updates so far?

No. I'm not sure what exactly you're referring to with 'Kaz's statement' but I got the impression a lot of the things he couldn't get into GT5 and would have to wait for GT6 were time issues, not hardware issues. Unless you can give me some evidence that suggests otherwise.

 

[ch3ng]

Bull. "PD didn't get it done for GT5" doesn't mean the same thing as "it can't be done on PS3."

And honestly, this "it's all Kaz's vision" crap has been an annoying go-to defense for far too long now, so I'm not sure how anyone is supposed to even care at this point since people seem to like twisting it to suit whatever argument they want.

I agree with you. The First sentence was Perfect

Well anyway i explained why i would prefer a GT6 Release on ps4. And i explained why Sony should prefer s PS4 - early in the Cycle - Release

But i'm Not against a ps3 Release if the Game has Good improvments.

 

[Spagetti69]

One of the biggest problems sony had this generation is that it's highest selling IP came late into the ps3 cycle.
/QUOTE]

What big problem did Sony have?

 

[hairystig]

a few more dlc's and updates for gt5 will be great!! ...while pd put most of their efforts into making gt6 an amazing ps4 launch title!! :d

+1

 

[buffig]

I always viewed GT5 as GT6 Prologue. It gave us a glimpse of what PD really want to achieve with GT6. Everywhere you look in GT5, there are half measures: Some fully detailed courses, some fully detailed cars, inconsistent features from one car to the next. Not that im too bothered. I still adore it. But my point it, All the time PD spent working on those super detailed cars and environments will really pay off when GT6 rolls around and I'm betting it wont look a million miles away from the renders we get in photo mode. Any work spend on DLC now will carry over to GT6 anyway. All those new car packs and new tracks will be present in GT6, theyll just look that much better. So as far as I' concerned, let PD give us the content theyve created now, we'll get the super duper version in 18 months time with the launch of the PS4 and GT6 (fingers crossed eh!)

 

[daus26]

I'm pretty confident we're gonna have at least one more round of DLC, but after that, I just want it to stop. I just don't understand how some of you are complaining about GT5's flaw in terms of game design, yet you want more and more content (which isn't even free) for it. GT5 at the current stage is done. Any more content added to it will not make any lasting revelations. Any more update after this will probably just be bugs and whatnot. Just watch what happens when PD does release DLC 4, and a month or so later, people will be asking for more. Next thing you know, you're spending a lot of money on a game that pretty much has little going for it right now, unless you're an active online player.

For them to solely focus on GT6 can actually be a big deal. Sure content can just transfer over, but the more content being released for GT5 DLC, the less "new" content for GT6. Don't forget all the planning and thinking that goes behind it either. They just don't release what they have. Imagine seeing most of the cars already being seen in the form of GT5 DLC. It's just not that exciting, and may lose GT6's appeal. Other than that, you guys are asking too much if you guys want them to continue GT5 DLC support up until GT6's eventual release AND as a PS4 launch title. Really??! Let's be realistic.

There has to be a line here. Personally I want GT6 in 2013, and for that to happen, it needs to be released on the PS3. 2014 will be 4 years since GT5, and that's way too long especially for what it is. There's no way GT6 can be a launch title for the PS4, which for some reason, a lot of you seem to think so. So yes, I'm definitely among those that certainly wouldn't mind if GT6 was made for the PS3. Not in the slightest. There's lots of other things to look for besides better graphics, physics, and A.I count... which are things that GT5 delivers pretty well already anyway.

 

[ch3ng]

What Big Problems dis Sony have?

A Lot. For example:

- didnt earn with PS3. Sony earns Money with PS3 since the Good Franchise came out
- PSPgo fail
- Bad Port, because Sony made a difficult hardware
- Cell Investment and the cell wasn't as Good as expected.
- PSN Hack
- PS3 Hack
- Exclusiv Franchise delayed often
- huge sell Problems with Vita and PS3. PS3 at the beginning
- competition is mich Hardware in every area Television, mobile phone, console.
- The other conpanys earned a Lot more money and lead. 1. Wii 2. 360 3. PS3 in worldwide Sells
- Franchose like GT have a very Hard competition now.
- Lost over a half of the fanbase.
- Fans are angry and Most of them think about other next Gen console.
- 4-5 massiv years with huge losts in Terms of money
- 6.400.000 Lost in 1 Year [2012]
- Lost the Motion controll Fight. Nintendo and MS earns alot more Money with their devices.
- Closed two Studios After the finished Vita titles
- Franchise like Motorstorm generate less Sells with recent titles .

I can go on if you wish...

I will buy a PS4

conclusion: This Generation was - by far - the toughest Generation/years for Sony. The next will be Hard again.

 

[buffig]

They built GT5 with GT6 firmly in their minds, it will upscale brilliantly. GT5 was a much bigger challenge. I'm confident that they started 6 as soon as 5 was finished. Why release GT6 for the PS3 and then wait 2-3 years for GT7? Sony will want their flagship racer on PS4 as soon as humanly possible. GT5s release loomed over the PS3 for years. Theres no reason we wont see GT6 18 months from now. By then it will have had 3 years ploughed into it.

 

[daus26]

A Lot. For example:

- didnt earn with PS3. Sony earns Money with PS3 since the Good Franchise came out
- PSPgo fail
- Bad Port, because Sony made a difficult hardware
- Cell Investment and the cell wasn't as Good as expected.
- PSN Hack
- PS3 Hack
- Exclusiv Franchise delayed often
- huge sell Problems with Vita and PS3. PS3 at the beginning
- competition is mich Hardware in every area Television, mobile phone, console.
- The other conpanys earned a Lot more money and lead. 1. Wii 2. 360 3. PS3 in worldwide Sells
- Franchose like GT have a very Hard competition now.
- Lost over a half of the fanbase.
- Fans are angry and Most of them think about other next Gen console.
- 4-5 massiv years with huge losts in Terms of money
- 6.400.000 Lost in 1 Year [2012]

I can go on if you wish...

I will buy a PS4

For one, PS3 is picking up its stride and doing well. Only reason Sony is looking to go next gen as early as next year is not for the reason that the PS3 is getting worse or not doing well, but trying not to be too late into the competition with the next Xbox.

The cell processor is FAR from being bad. It's an elite processor and I wish Sony would stick with it because third party developers are starting to get the hang with it. Just look at how first party games like Uncharted, Killzone, and GT5 cannot be done on any other console.

PSN hack, I think was a personal cause to Sony. It can happen to anyone, even a CIA site. This problem is irrelevant anyway.

Certainly, and pretty positive about this one, MOST people are not thinking about shifting into next generation. I've done research and participated on many polls about this. People are content enough for the current gen right now. Maybe in 2 or so years, then people will start to feel so otherwise.

Other than that, Sony did have a lot of problems, but most of them aren't related to their gaming division.

 

[RedBaron]

DLC of newly modelled premium models and tracks on PS3/GT5 is very good thing.

But development of GT6 on this old piece of hardware is just waste of time, because when PS4 comes, we would be convicted to wait 3 or 5 years till new GT comes. Not again, please...

 

[daus26]

They built GT5 with GT6 firmly in their minds, it will upscale brilliantly. GT5 was a much bigger challenge. I'm confident that they started 6 as soon as 5 was finished. Why release GT6 for the PS3 and then wait 2-3 years for GT7? Sony will want their flagship racer on PS4 as soon as humanly possible. GT5s release loomed over the PS3 for years. Theres no reason we wont see GT6 18 months from now. By then it will have had 3 years ploughed into it.

They can't just take what they worked on for GT6 since GT5's release, and just port it for the PS4. Unless they were the ONE 1st party developer that was reportedly working on a game for the next gen Sony console, PD needs to be already working with the PS4 dev kits in advance for any chance of GT6 being a PS4 launch title. And if it's really true that they're ditching the cell processor, then they're gonna surely need to do more than any simple porting with their game engine, which was made to utilize the cell''s capabilities.

Think about it this way. We get GT6 in 2013 for the PS3, then we can wait another 2 or 3 years (possibly sooner) while we enjoy GT6 (like we are doing now with GT5), for GT7 on the PS4. If we can wait 3 years on a game like GT5 for Gt6, I'm pretty sure we can with GT6 for GT7...

It's fine if you want GT6 for the PS4, but asking for it to be a launch title is a bit of a stretch for PD

DLC of newly modelled premium models and tracks on PS3/GT5 is very good thing.

But development of GT6 on this old piece of hardware is just waste of time, because when PS4 comes, we would be convicted to wait 3 or 5 years till new GT comes. Not again, please...

What happen with GT5 was a whole lot of bad planning and marketing decisions. PD wasn't exactly focused on "GT5" after GT4. A lot of things happen in between, and unless that happens again, I doubt we're gonna have to go wait that long again. Plus, I'm sure Sony will make sure the next console won't be too hard to develop for. It's either the cell, which is already familiarized, or the rumored X86 architecture, which is a simple PC structure.

 

[buffig]

I accept It might not be a launch title, (not that I think it's impossible). But theres no reason it shouldnt come soon after it's lauch. Sony has hopefully learned its lesson and wont want racing fans waiting a couple of years for the next GT. It sells systems in a big way.

 

[ch3ng]

For one, PS3 is picking up its stride and doing well. Only reason Sony is looking to go next gen as early as next year is not for the reason that the PS3 is getting worse or not doing well, but trying not to be too late into the competition with the next Xbox.

The cell processor is FAR from being bad. It's an elite processor and I wish Sony would stick with it because third party developers are starting to get the hang with it. Just look at how first party games like Uncharted, Killzone, and GT5 cannot be done on any other console.

PSN hack, I think was a personal cause to Sony. It can happen to anyone, even a CIA site. This problem is irrelevant anyway.

Certainly, and pretty positive about this one, MOST people are not thinking about shifting into next generation. I've done research and participated on many polls about this. People are content enough for the current gen right now. Maybe in 2 or so years, then people will start to feel so otherwise.

Other than that, Sony did have a lot of problems, but most of them aren't related to their gaming division.

Cell? Well they made this CPU for the next consoles - including ps3,4... and IBM are using it for Server, but they didnt Support it anymore.
Yes the PS3 is stronger than the Xbox, but the cell is to Hard to develop. My english is to Bad to explain it, but the theorerical power is much stronger . But they will Never achieve it. Nowadays other CPU and Tech is easier to handle and much more powerful.
Its realistic that Sony dont use Cell anymore, but they Invested much and wanted to support Cell for more generations.

Coclution: Investment fail. In Company Point of view.

Who Said GT5, Uncharted 1, Killzone 2, inFamous,.. can't be done on other console?

Well Sony Said that. Can you Trust a Company how Talk Bad about Tech from the competition ? No.
Ms talked Bad about BR to Support HD-DVD. You couldn't Trust them as well

Gears 3, Forza 4, The Witcher 2 Show that those titles are possible on 360. Killzone 3, Uncharted 2+ 3 arent possible on Xbox. In my opinion.

You done Research on which website?

And i was Talking about buy the Wii U, Xbox 720 instead of a PS4. Alot of PS2 owner bought PS3 blind. Including me

I should correct this Part. Mh...

" The Fanbase is Not willing to Support Sony 100% anymore, because some are thinking about other companys now, instead of buying "the next Big Thing" blind. And some See Sony more critical"

I Hope this is better english and better explained

 

[daus26]

Your english is just fine.

As for those games, Sony didn't said it, the developers did. I get how you think that trust isn't something that can be relied on though, but you'll really have to read about it yourself on what the devs say. It's not just limited to graphics, but the calculations that was done on games like Killzone, Uncharted, God of War, GT5 etc., that would have to gimped down if it was made for other systems. You say that lying is evident (and I agree), so how come any developer never say anything about a game that can't be done on the PS3, but the Xbox can? It just shows you how the cell is not really a failure because of how it can make a console with an inferior gpu make games like those. Other than that, I don't think games like inFamous had any comments about it not being possible on the Xbox so that I can agree.

As for research about consumers being ready for next gen consoles, just go to any gaming website. I also belong to several survey companies like OTX, Opinion, Amps, ECN, and MarketCube, but I think that's irrelevant. I think I'll admittedly say that I'm the one that may have misunderstood you on this one. I should re-read that part. Again, your english is fine.

 

[lunarwolf]

why should 1 exclude the other? work on DLC can then be integrated in an eventual GT6

 

[Tornado]

But development of GT6 on this old piece of hardware is just waste of time, because when PS4 comes, we would be convicted to wait 3 or 5 years till new GT comes. Not again, please...

We either get GT6 soon and wait 3-5 years for the PS4 game, or we wait 3-5 years for GT6 on the PS4. PD waiting until PS4 to give us GT6 doesn't mean the PS4 GT game is going to come any faster. It just means that we won't have anything to do in the meantime. There is no option where we get a PS4 game really soon in the system's shelf life.

Furthermore, to assume PD making GT6 a PS4 title from the start will mean it will be a launch or launch window game is ridiculous, and goes against over a decade of precedent in regards to PD's development history.

 

[Samus]

We either get GT6 soon and wait 3-5 years for the PS4 game, or we wait 3-5 years for GT6 on the PS4. PD waiting until PS4 to give us GT6 doesn't mean the PS4 GT game is going to come any faster. It just means that we won't have anything to do in the meantime. There is no option where we get a PS4 game really soon in the system's shelf life.

Furthermore, to assume PD making GT6 a PS4 title from the start will mean it will be a launch or launch window game is ridiculous, and goes against over a decade of precedent in regards to PD's development history.

Also people are casually talking about a PS4 as if it's already been officially announced and coming out next year. We have nothing but rumours and supposed 'leaks', nothing concrete at all. What if PS4 isn't out until mid 2014, do people still want GT6 on that or would you prefer it on PS3 next year? Many people played GT4 and games before it for years, IF they make a GT6 on PS3 with the same amount of playing content I don't see why anyone would be unhappy to have GT6 on PS3 within the next 18 months and then a GT7 on PS3 up to 3 years after that.

It's also surprising how many people are going to be happy to spend £300+ on a new console just to play another GT game when many people only shelled out £200 - £425 on a PS3 for GT5. Are you going to buy a new console for each GT game in future? I'd rather have 2 games minimum per console.

 

[TokoTurismo]

Also people are casually talking about a PS4 as if it's already been officially announced and coming out next year. We have nothing but rumours and supposed 'leaks', nothing concrete at all. What if PS4 isn't out until mid 2014, do people still want GT6 on that or would you prefer it on PS3 next year? Many people played GT4 and games before it for years, IF they make a GT6 on PS3 with the same amount of playing content I don't see why anyone would be unhappy to have GT6 on PS3 within the next 18 months and then a GT7 on PS3 up to 3 years after that.

It's also surprising how many people are going to be happy to spend £300+ on a new console just to play another GT game when many people only shelled out £200 - £425 on a PS3 for GT5. Are you going to buy a new console for each GT game in future? I'd rather have 2 games minimum per console.

This.

I still wonder if I should vote GT6 or DLC #4. I'm now looking at DLC #4.

 

[IRONBULL]

I'll just hold out for GT7. GT6 will just be GT5/2.10, plus by that time I'll be too busy to play any game powered by Sony anyway.

Dang shame that this has to be a debate on one of the biggest video-game forums on the net, and the folks at PD not even have the decency to step out and post "anything" about "anything".

Just more leakers lying and spreading rumors while defending PDs every move, or lack there of.

Oh well, back to the garage to do some real tuning on a real car.

 

[1241Penguin]

Dang shame that this has to be a debate on one of the biggest video-game forums on the net, and the folks at PD not even have the decency to step out and post "anything" about "anything".

Just more leakers lying and spreading rumors while defending PDs every move, or lack there of.

If you actually took a step back and looked at what PD had been doing, then you'd find out that DLC isn't the only thing that they are working on. If you were narrow-minded, on the other hand, then you can keep on waiting fruitlessly for the next DLC.

Honestly, how much does GT mean to your life? You can't seem to post in the forums without making an aimless attack at PD and those who defend it.

 

[TokoTurismo]

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[Watt2159]

I'd like to see at least one more DLC pack

Same here, one more GIANT DLC pack, and then full focus on GT6, but I'm still standing my ground on it coming out on PS3.

 

[ch3ng]

Also people are casually talking about a PS4 as if it's already been officially announced and coming out next year. We have nothing but rumours and supposed 'leaks', nothing concrete at all.

well the Vita had only rumours before Sony announced it 1-3 months After they denied all Plans for a PSP2.
Some Developer are official working on next Gen Games.
UE4 and CryEngine 3 -2012-, Frostbite, RedEngine,... are all upgraded to the Next Gen Level now.
The New Xbox will be out 2013/2014 if you Trust the rumours ... Or think about it

What if PS4 isn't out until mid 2014, do people still want GT6 on that or would you prefer it on PS3 next year?

yes. I would wait until mid 2014, because i have Enough to do @ work and privat

And they can Update GT5. And i Play other games too.

PD should Get some time from Sony and the Fans to Get the Big Problems solved.
Sound, AI, tyre physics,solv the "inconstant" problems - Damage Model for example - ...

Many people played GT4 and games before it for years, IF they make a GT6 on PS3 with the same amount of playing content I don't see why anyone would be unhappy to have GT6 on PS3 within the next 18 months and then a GT7 on PS3 up to 3 years after that.

I wouldnt be unhappy with it. But i would ve unhappy to wait for a PS4 GT until mid/end of the console Cycle. Wie would face the Same questions/problems again.

If you Look at the New Situation a GT on PS4 in the beginning would be better, because the competition doesnt sleep. And they could Create GT6-7 on PS4.

I talked about this earlier. If Sony can they should Release all their top Franchise in the beginning of the Next Gen cycle.

It's also surprising how many people are going to be happy to spend £300+ on a new console just to play another GT game when many people only shelled out £200 - £425 on a PS3 for GT5. Are you going to buy a new console for each GT game in future? I'd rather have 2 games minimum per console.

I think its suprising how many People are willing to buy a New GT for 55$. Instead of recieving Free Updates for GT5.
The Big problems wouldn't be solved or only badly solved. I can wait if we Get a huge GT6 in 2014 which van be the best GT ever made, if Sony and the Fans Give PD Time to do things right.

I can only Talk about my opinion....
I buy a console not for GT or Forza. And i would prefer a GT6 with the PS4 Start or in the First Year.

EDIT: A User "Luminis" showed some interesting facts..

GT5 Sold about 7m copies. GT4 Sold about 14m copies. That means -in my opinion- Sony should do GT6 on PS4 or they will lose again many Fans to Forza. Or they will lose them, because GT5 was to late.