DLC release discussion (Some note in first post)

[leepangfu]

Signature, Collectors editions, preorder content from GsmeStop, Best Buy, or Amazon. You know, the incentives to buy from here or there to get something specific. All of which is already on the disc. Did the same crap for GTPSP, ultimately gave it all to us. Granted, Signature & Collectors editions might have been pressed differently to reflect DLC content, but I doubt it.

Again, you're not paying extra to use your power windows, are you?

O so now you also want the content people payed extra for for free just because they were put on the disc for convenience.

Sorry don't know what power windows are.

I don't understand your point. The DLC was in the update so people who don't have the DLC can still race on the tracks online (really bad thing they did for their customers right?) and not see other DLC cars as some strange ghost like car. So it's more like someone else paid for your power windows and you can still use them.

I'm done with this There's probably no way I'm going to convince you otherwise so I hope you have a good day!

 

[tinram]

You do know PD is a business right? Their priority is to make money. So I guess if you were the boss of a company and you had a good year you would stop charging any money from your customers and pay all the salaries from last years profit?

What content was on the disk that I had to pay for after I already paid for the game?

Everybody seems to think PD is a charity . Latest comment i hear often that makes me laugh .... "What! i have to pay extra to have the DLC in another account?"

 

[High On Speed]

I just had a thought, so bear with me. Can't PD just re-code the unlock so the cars are available as RMs in GTAuto and make the DLC paints reusable? And can't Sony just delete the current DLC off the PSN Store so PD can re-code it so that it would be available across multiple accounts? It shouldn't be too hard. I'm ticked right now. Screw Sony for being greedy and screw PD for taking Sony's crap!
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EVERYONE EMAIL SONY PLAYSTATION CONSUMER SERVICE AND COMPLAIN
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If even 20% of this forum emails sony about not being able to share DLC on multiple accounts on the same playstation or ability to re-use DLC paint that WE PAID FOR it will change

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[High On Speed]

Isn't this what I've been trying to say?!?!

EVERYONE EMAIL SONY PLAYSTATION CONSUMER SERVICE AND COMPLAIN
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If even 20% of this forum emails sony about not being able to share DLC on multiple accounts on the same playstation or ability to re-use DLC paint that WE PAID FOR it will change

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[hedges]

This totally blows for me. I am such a big fan that I have two copies of this game, a US version and an Asian. I live in the Philippines and it's common to find both Asian and US versions of the same game in game stores here. Anyway, I bought the limited edition Asian version as it was the first one that got released here. I read that the US limited edition have different bonus cars so I bought that as well a week later. Now, my main account is a US PSN account since the Philippines seem to be non-existent as far as Sony's concerned. I though I'll just gift the bonus cars to my main account so I can have both sets. To my dismay, they can't be gifted. I just shrugged my shoulders and played both games on two separate accounts.

Now the DLC is out, it turn out it's region locked AND account locked. I've been playing my Asian version GT5 in my US account because that was the first one I bought, and to be able to use the DLC, it seems I have to start over using the US version because the game saves are also account locked. Apparently, I'll be wasting almost a year's worth of gameplay to enjoy the content. The other option is keep playing but not support PD/Sony by not buying DLCs for GT5. Why make it hard for fans of the game and the platform who want to support them?

 

[another_jakhole]

O so now you also want the content people payed extra for for free just because they were put on the disc for convenience.

Sorry don't know what power windows are.

I don't understand your point. The DLC was in the update so people who don't have the DLC can still race on the tracks online (really bad thing they did for their customers right?) and not see other DLC cars as some strange ghost like car. So it's more like someone else paid for your power windows and you can still use them.

I'm done with this There's probably no way I'm going to convince you otherwise so I hope you have a good day!

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Thank you very much. You, too, tinram. Except it isn't PD's choice to have it this way, otherwise, what leepfangu explained wouldn't even be true. No one who doesn't want to pay for it would ever be able to play, unless they actually paid. It's an alternative option for the people who wrongly put the blame on Kaz the Almighty () for account ID locked DLC. He chose to give those a chance still. Shame on him, right?

If you don't like that he did that, just don't pay PD with your support. Or, don't support PD with your money. Either way, but I like the first one's sound better.

 

[TheDabbinDave]

O so now you also want the content people payed extra for for free just because they were put on the disc for convenience.

NOBODY should have been charged! I bought the Collectors Edition for "tangible" extras. Not virtual products that could only be used on the account that entered the code. Oh wait, that's a future feature.

You have no idea what power windows are? And you're going to try to convince me that this situation is a figment of my imagination?

Speaking in a dopey voice "duh ok".

 

[Mac K]

People on the internet worry me..

 

[another_jakhole]

Dave, if the cars weren't stealth or chromeline, would you have paid for any Special edition?

 

[tinram]

O so now you also want the content people payed extra for for free just because they were put on the disc for convenience.

Sorry don't know what power windows are.

I don't understand your point. The DLC was in the update so people who don't have the DLC can still race on the tracks online (really bad thing they did for their customers right?) and not see other DLC cars as some strange ghost like car. So it's more like someone else paid for your power windows and you can still use them.

I'm done with this There's probably no way I'm going to convince you otherwise so I hope you have a good day!

Yes ... You pay for something folks worked on whether it is tangible or not, if you do not think it's worth it don't buy it ... simples. People don't seem to get this.

 

[Menown]

This has to be the worst implemented DLC ever. It has been disaster after awesome disaster. Really great entertainment actually. I guess the silver lining to it being delayed here is that most of the issues will be fixed before we have to pay for it and we get a week to decide if it is worth it while seeing it online.

 

[CSLACR]

Yes ... You pay for something folks worked on whether it is tangible or not, if you do not think it's worth it don't buy it ... simples. People don't seem to get this.

Soooo, nobody should ever express their dissatisfaction when they're dissatisfied with something a company does?

How would progress ever be achieved that way? Simply not buying it might make them think nobody is interested, as opposed to the real reasons so many have to not buy it, like, you know, the fact that many can't use it at all...💡

Since when is it considered acceptable business practice to sell something to someone that they can't use at all because of restrictions imposed by the seller?

 

[Griffith500]

Being able to race at Spa online by gatecrashing paying hosts' rooms, and being able to race the new Karts in Arcade mode seems so incongruous with this whole "locked DLC" regime. The inconsistencies in modern gaming continue to amaze me; it's like there's some internal conflict or something.

 

[kimi123]

People on the internet worry me..

 

[Duck]

This, really do not get why have 2 accounts for one person

I have three:
- one is the main account I did after purchasing the PS3
- one is the GTP_ needed for GTP sanctioned events, like WRS
- one is a remote race hosting one; as you may have noticed, UCD doesn't cycle like in GT4. As I don't want to loss a car in UCD, and remote races burn game days, I needed another account.

These shops was really needed here

If "bonus content" contains NASCARS, I'm throwing my PS3 out my 3rd floor window

... just to know it will crush on tarmac without anyone helping......
I smell many people will not buy GT6, but FM4, 5, 6 et all.

Paint items become like normal paint, you will get them over and over again when you log in.

Can you explain this? Once I bought the DLC they can randomly appear with login bonus? Only to DLC buyers?

Now, some thoughts.
I want Spa, and paints. So the best is the whole bundle + another pack of paints for collecting. As I think DLC cars are fantasy crap (I want REAL cars for a REAL driving simulator) it's too much.
Also, I only will pay it for one account. So no WRS or official sanctioned events with DLC content. Spec 2.0 bonus content (Nascars, N24 GTR) was better than this DLC.
12€ for a serious track and some paint chips.... not that cheap at all.
I'm LUCKY to be the only GT5 user at home.

PD support: I bought the signature, going to buy DLC.... if PD first thought is making money, why Spa can be shared online????????????

I think they have to make money. It's their job. But this DLC is crap: the whole bundle is 6/10 only for Spa, 2/10 without. The fact Spa can be shared online imho is a glitch they CAN'T fix now to not loose the face. But it's also a big fail because MANY people will not buy the DLC enjoing Spa online (where some people is 100% of game time).

 

[Tornado]

Yes ... You pay for something folks worked on whether it is tangible or not, if you do not think it's worth it don't buy it ... simples. People don't seem to get this.

Yup. In fact, they worked so hard on it, you get to pay for it over and over again.

 

[CSLACR]

Being able to race at Spa online by gatecrashing paying hosts' rooms, and being able to race the new Karts in Arcade mode seems so incongruous with this whole "locked DLC" regime. The inconsistencies in modern gaming continue to amaze me; it's like there's some internal conflict or something.

I have to assume the reason anyone can drive on Spa as long as the host has the track is because they couldn't/didn't figure out how to lock it...

Anything else would be illogical it seems, they're clearly not in the "giving spirit".

 

[vandaliser]

And the millions they got from the initial sales and the $60,000,000 budget went where? Yeah, they're standing in line at the soup kitchen every day...

How do you feel about unlock keys for content on the BluRay disc? Yeah they should get extra for that too.

Irrelevant. DLC was introduced as a part of Spec 2.0. Buy it or leave it.

You do know PD is a business right? Their priority is to make money. So I guess if you were the boss of a company and you had a good year you would stop charging any money from your customers and pay all the salaries from last years profit?

What content was on the disk that I had to pay for after I already paid for the game?

indeed

Don't you have some Forza thread to get thrown out of?



See, I can make smartass remarks that contribute nothing to the discussion too.







And oh, the video of Spa that you like parading out constantly. That totally invalidates everything in the post you quoted.

Nothing smartass about my comments. For someone who claims to done with the game, you surely love popping your head in here to complain as per usual.

As for Forza, it holds no interest to me. SO you wont find me there.

This DLC is a slap in the face to GT fans.

But, sheep will gobble it up, which is why DLC makes so much money now. It's even why developers include content on the disc and make you pay extra for it.

Speak for yourself. Gt fans asked for Spa and we got it. Take it or leave it

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If even 20% of this forum emails sony about not being able to share DLC on multiple accounts on the same playstation or ability to re-use DLC paint that WE PAID FOR it will change

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Have you tried Steam or XBL before? God help you. You would be sending emails for the next thousand years.

Again take it or leave it.

This has to be the worst implemented DLC ever. It has been disaster after awesome disaster. Really great entertainment actually. I guess the silver lining to it being delayed here is that most of the issues will be fixed before we have to pay for it and we get a week to decide if it is worth it while seeing it online.

It's quite simple really. You like DLC you pay it. Nothing complicated about it. If you think multiple account issue is holding you back then move on.

Yes ... You pay for something folks worked on whether it is tangible or not, if you do not think it's worth it don't buy it ... simples. People don't seem to get this.

Exactly. Finally someone who gets it. You don't like the DLC then buy something else.

 

[MikaelK]

Well, within the trading limit, you can already dupe paint chits by gifting them back and forth. Has anyone tried this with the DLC paint? I'm not surprised you can't gift the DLC cars, but it would be amusing if the market were suddenly flooded with bootleg paint chits. FIGHT DA PWER woooooooooo yeeaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhh.............

DLC paint-chips cannot be gifted... and that is verified.. 👎

Only way to "hand it over" to a friend, is to receive and paint a car with the desired color and then give the car back to your friend... The car keeps the new color, but the paint-chip your friend gets upon receiving the car, is still "only" the original color of that car..

Hmm... I see a whole new trading-market being formed here...!!
Paintshops, offering to paint your car with DLC-colors... 💡

 

[Mac K]

I've lost a little bit of respect for PD today.. I have two PSN accounts and awhile back I downloaded the Camaro "Edge Special" for free and I can use it on both accounts.. now that they release the first DLC we have to pay for, it can only be used on one account "per purchase" and Kaz claims there is nothing they can do.. it almost sounds like he's trying to beat around the bush or something.. I'm not going to drop GT5 or anything because I love playing it, but it doesn't change the fact that something isn't quite right inside the walls of Sony and PD.. I expected Sony to do something like this, but not PD.. I guess I was wrong. Heres to Kaz and PD setting things right and learning from their "mistakes"..

This is the free Camaro "Edge Special" for those who don't know..

 

[another_jakhole]

*Opera singing voice* IIIIIIT's nnnnnnnot their fauuuuult. !!!! !!!!

 

[Tornado]

Nothing smartass about my comments. For someone who claims to done with the game, you surely love popping your head in here to complain as per usual.

As for Forza, it holds no interest to me. SO you wont find me there.

It is times like this where you should praise Jordan that the AUP exists.


Of course, since I could with very little effort prove how much of a lie that is, I suppose the AUP is a double edged sword for you.

 

[TiZzla]

What's the deal with other games that have DLC? Is it the same for those games?

I only have one PSN ID that I use so It's not an issue for me.

How else would they get around the issue? People aren't supposed to have multiple accounts, I'm not sure how exactly it works but if there's no way for them to allocate your personal ID's to your console then there's nothing they can do.

And I just had a thought, people who use different tags for different online races or clubs etc only use those tags as a gimmick or to be recognised as being part of a group. So it's not life or death if you can't use that tag. People will still know who you are.

The majority of people here are either a GTP tagged player or a non GTP tagged player.

 

[CSLACR]

DLC paint-chips cannot be gifted... and that is verified.. 👎

Only way to "hand it over" to a friend, is to receive and paint a car with the desired color and then give the car back to your friend... The car keeps the new color, but the paint-chip your friend gets upon receiving the car, is still "only" the original color of that car..

Hmm... I see a whole new trading-market being formed here...!!
Paintshops, offering to paint your car with DLC-colors... 💡

They shouldn't be tradeable.
They should just not disappear when you use them.
And they should show up on any account on the same PS3, like all the other DLC, etc I've ever gotten.

 

[Tornado]

What's the deal with other games that have DLC? Is it the same for those games?

Very rarely.

People aren't supposed to have multiple accounts, I'm not sure how exactly it works but if there's no way for them to allocate your personal ID's to your console then there's nothing they can do.

Since when? Unless I'm misunderstanding what you are saying, Sony never had a problem with multiple PS3 accounts before. Why would they allow them if they did?

And I just had a thought, people who use different tags for different online races or clubs etc only use those tags as a gimmick or to be recognised as being part of a group. So it's not life or death if you can't use that tag. People will still know who you are.

Using the GTP tag is a requirement if you want to take part in GTP-sanctioned races, but that doesn't mean that everyone with GTP tags use them for everything else as well.

 

[another_jakhole]

What's the deal with other games that have DLC? Is it the same for those games?

I only have one PSN ID that I use so It's not an issue for me.

How else would they get around the issue? People aren't supposed to have multiple accounts, I'm not sure how exactly it works but if there's no way for them to allocate your personal ID's to your console then there's nothing they can do.

And I just had a thought, people who use different tags for different online races or clubs etc only use those tags as a gimmick or to be recognised as being part of a group. So it's not life or death if you can't use that tag. People will still know who you are.

The majority of people here are either a GTP tagged player or a non GTP tagged player.

I think it started when Sony gave us a choice to pick 2 free games on one account when the PSN got hacked, then we abused that by using multiple accounts to get everything we want. Not everybody, but a lot of people did.

 

[Mac K]

*Opera singing voice* IIIIIIT's nnnnnnnot their fauuuuult. !!!! !!!!

So why can I use my free DLC Camaro on both accounts, but the DLC we have to pay for I can't? I don't want to blame PD, and I still have a feeling it's more Sony's "fault".. but it seems obvious something's up.. I don't mind this myself, but I have a few friends, as well as family members who have multiple accounts on one PS3 at their houses and if they all want to use the DLC, they have to buy it several times.. Not fair to them.. its like buying a new car for driving around your family, but each and every one of your family members has to pay towards the car in order to ride in it..

 

[CSLACR]

What's the deal with other games that have DLC? Is it the same for those games?

I only have one PSN ID that I use so It's not an issue for me.

How else would they get around the issue? People aren't supposed to have multiple accounts, I'm not sure how exactly it works but if there's no way for them to allocate your personal ID's to your console then there's nothing they can do.

And I just had a thought, people who use different tags for different online races or clubs etc only use those tags as a gimmick or to be recognised as being part of a group. So it's not life or death if you can't use that tag. People will still know who you are.

The majority of people here are either a GTP tagged player or a non GTP tagged player.

How are car sends limited by console then? Yes, they know exactly which PS3's have which accounts.

Other games doesn't matter, GT5 already has cars like the stealth and chromeline cars that are available on any account on your PS3, so Sony, PD, have already done this with GT5 itself.
That means they actively decided to implement this DLC differently.

When someone finds the nobility in that I'll be waiting to hear it.

 

[TiZzla]

Very rarely.


Since when? Unless I'm misunderstanding what you are saying, Sony never had a problem with multiple PS3 accounts before. Why would they allow them if they did?



Using the GTP tag is a requirement if you want to take part in GTP-sanctioned races, but that doesn't mean that everyone with GTP tags use them for everything else as well.

I don't mean that it's against the rules, but most people would only have one. Only people like GTP addicts that race in clubs etc would want more than one.

Sure, I guess having multiple accounts means that each account is recognised as a separate user. Your accounts aren't being recognised as the same console so therefore why would they allow two different users to have the DLC if only one of them paid for it.

I don't know guys Kaz said there is no other way around It. They wouldn't purposely scam us so we buy it more than once.

 

[Mac K]

So why can I use my free DLC Camaro on both accounts, but the DLC we have to pay for I can't? I don't want to blame PD, and I still have a feeling it's more Sony's "fault".. but it seems obvious something's up.. I don't mind this myself, but I have a few friends, as well as family members who have multiple accounts on one PS3 at their houses and if they all want to use the DLC, they have to buy it several times.. Not fair to them.. its like buying a new car for driving around your family, but each and every one of your family members has to pay towards the car in order to ride in it..

I'm going to quote myself because I just thought of something.. Maybe it isn't PD's fault after all.. What I'm getting at is, Maybe its Sony's policy that content which is free can be downloaded numerous times(like the Edge Camaro) and content that is paid for, must be paid for again in order to access it for whatever reason(the touring car dlc).. Just a thought. Sony has to profit off this as well right? This is the perfect way to do it.. even if it isn't entirely "fair" to customers like ourselves.