Do you believe in God?

[Rotorist]

Something I've never understood is- If he died for our sins, why is homosexuality taboo? Why is eating shrimp and pork not okay? He died for our sins, rright? So why, even if these things are a sin, going to send people to hell? Not trying to start a flame war, just looking for a view from a religious standpoint.

Good and clear questions.

He died for our sins in order for us to be able by redemption and getting His blood and body to give us the Holy Spirit and clean and strenghten our souls to become better and better due time. Redemption means that we learn his will and we do as He orders. He told that homosexuality is sin. So, we are forbidden to live such a life. Hell is a place to seperate the ones who followed His will and all they wanted was to unite with Him from the ones that they wanted to live without Him. Why to force them to be eternally with Him if they freely choose otherwise? They chose to hear Devil's voice (subconcious was created once Adam and Eva ate the forbidden fruit and through it Devil tries to make us do his will even using dreams some times) and do the evil, so they will be with him.

 

[Scaff]

Watch above as I enriched my reply. Do not be so defensive. It is just your answers who show not good enough knowledge of The Bible. Forgive my bad estimation. Not in my intensions to insult.

Why should I not be defensive when someone makes a massive assumption about what I do and don't know becasue they didn't think before they posted?

Mimic God's actions means to forgive enemies and helping people without waiting for payment in this life.

So when you say mimic God's actions you actually mean mimic only some of God's actions

About genocide now. They didn't kill everyone as God told them to do and they were punished later because of letting pagans live and mimicing their customs getting away from God's orders. That order was to prove that humans cannot be perfect towards God's will as we are weak to do only the good without the Holy Spirit which came to us after we baptised. Even Adam and Eva fulted in this although they were living in front of the God.

Now you said mimic God's actions, not the instructions God gave to others.

God's own actions include killing near enough every living thing on the face of the planet according to the OT (now an aside is that entire story is lifted from an earlier religion), as such if paradise can be achieved by mimicking God's actions that must also include genocide.

Bad thing is the opposite to what God has ordered. Bad thing is what Devil wants to oppose us to God. Simple as that.

So its a bad thing to not stone children to death when they are rude to us?

Christians should seek to become humble and correct their faults as they need to become same as Jesus. That is His will. "Become perfect as I am". "Become saints as I am". "Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart". So, not only Christians highly esteem those virtues, but we are obliged to have them on top of our priority in life to have Jesus on our side and Holy Spirit inside us to be in unity to God.

Except that's not what you said.

You said that if you have 'some' humility and are capable of redemption then you will see God clearly in everything around, if God is the being you claim he is then in seeing him in this manner you would believe.

It only stands to reason that if one is not 'with God' in this way they have no humility or redemption, ergo non-Christians can't have any.

 

[Famine]

He told that homosexuality is sin.

Jesus said precisely squat about homosexuals in his lifetime.

Well, according to the Bible at any rate,

 

[Rotorist]

Jesus spoke once about the cities of Jewish who listened to his Word and didn't believe that they will be judged even harsher than Sodoma and Gommora in the final Judgement because they didn't have this opportunity of listening to Him and watching so many miracles by Him but only their consience to prevent them from doing the bad thing. And in another speech of Him he told about some categories of people who won't go in Heaven's Kingdom (if they don't change of course): "For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, ..." (Rev 22:15). I believe all know who are named as dogs by Jesus here. The ones who sexually act like the dogs. And do not forget that all those are written in Greek and then translated to English and other languages. So, as I am Greek and have the bless to be able to read New Testament exactly as they were written, I can say to you that this word in the epoch that was written meant exactly the homosexual males.

 

[Scaff]

Jesus spoke once about the cities of Jewish who listened to his Word and didn't believe that they will be judged even harsher than Sodoma and Gommora in the final Judgement because they didn't have this opportunity of listening to Him and watching so many miracles by Him but only their consience to prevent them from doing the bad thing. And in another speech of Him he told about some categories of people who won't go in Heaven's Kingdom (if they don't change of course): "For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, ..." (Rev 22:15). I believe all know who are named as dogs by Jesus here. The ones who sexually act like the dogs. And do not forget that all those are written in Greek and then translated to English and other languages. So, as I am Greek and have the bless to be able to read New Testament exactly as they were written, I can say to you that this word in the epoch that was written meant exactly the homosexual males.

That's a bit of a stretch to say the least, given that your claim here is that homosexual sexuality is the same as dogs, which means for the majority (as homosexuality is recorded in dogs) of dogs its heterosexual. Unless you mean in terms of position, which would be odd as plenty of heterosexual folk go at it that way as well.

Oh and if you value your membership I would not compare any part of the LGBT community to dogs again.

Now let me give you one to try. Which NT verses actually say you can't be a member of GT Planet (and this one is far clearer than your odd dog sex one)?

 

[nascarfan1400]

Good and clear questions.

He died for our sins in order for us to be able by redemption and getting His blood and body to give us the Holy Spirit and clean and strenghten our souls to become better and better due time. Redemption means that we learn his will and we do as He orders. He told that homosexuality is sin. So, we are forbidden to live such a life. Hell is a place to seperate the ones who followed His will and all they wanted was to unite with Him from the ones that they wanted to live without Him. Why to force them to be eternally with Him if they freely choose otherwise? They chose to hear Devil's voice (subconcious was created once Adam and Eva ate the forbidden fruit and through it Devil tries to make us do his will even using dreams some times) and do the evil, so they will be with him.

So you claim homosexuality is a temptation from the devil....?

 

[Rotorist]

Why should I not be defensive when someone makes a massive assumption about what I do and don't know becasue they didn't think before they posted?



So when you say mimic God's actions you actually mean mimic only some of God's actions



Now you said mimic God's actions, not the instructions God gave to others.

God's own actions include killing near enough every living thing on the face of the planet according to the OT (now an aside is that entire story is lifted from an earlier religion), as such if paradise can be achieved by mimicking God's actions that must also include genocide.



So its a bad thing to not stone children to death when they are rude to us?



Except that's not what you said.

You said that if you have 'some' humility and are capable of redemption then you will see God clearly in everything around, if God is the being you claim he is then in seeing him in this manner you would believe.

It only stands to reason that if one is not 'with God' in this way they have no humility or redemption, ergo non-Christians can't have any.

In Old Testament God only ordered and tested the faith of people. In New Testament he took our nature, became human and lived and acted in front of so many people. So, Jewish people couldn't mimc what they couldn't see but only obey to Him, but you can mimic Jesus now.

The genoside you speak about was God's order for the people living in the area that His people would stay in order not to be mixed to their customs and become pagans. Simple as that. Read again just to be sure about it as it will make God's will much more understandable.

Blasphemy in Old testament had death penalty, so stoning to death was God's order about this sin.

It is another thing to understand and believe in God (some humility)... and another matter to become united to Him. That needs a lifetime of trying hard and he will judge when humility becomes ones virtue instead of the target to conquer.

Non-Christians don't have the chance to be united to God by getting His blood and flesh. So, they are able to try but not reach the final target as all will be done without His bless. If we humans were able to save ourselves He wouldn't come and die for us after all. Not any human except for Him was without sins in all mankind history. But now, he deletes sins through His Death to gift us with eternal life.

That's a bit of a stretch to say the least, given that your claim here is that homosexual sexuality is the same as dogs, which means for the majority (as homosexuality is recorded in dogs) of dogs its heterosexual. Unless you mean in terms of position, which would be odd as plenty of heterosexual folk go at it that way as well.

Oh and if you value your membership I would not compare any part of the LGBT community to dogs again.

Now let me give you one to try. Which NT verses actually say you can't be a member of GT Planet (and this one is far clearer than your odd dog sex one)?

You do not want to understand obviously even when I made it too clear. I just copied and pasted translated the word that Greeks in ancient times used for homosexual males. When you ask for specific answers from books you must be ready to read the exact ones due to originality reasons. Not trying to be offensive to anyone. People asked about that matter and I responded by copy-pasting original text.

 

[Scaff]

In Old Testament God only ordered and tested the faith of people. In New Testament he took our nature, became human and lived and acted in front of so many people. So, Jewish people couldn't mimc what they couldn't see but only obey to Him, but you can mimic Jesus now.

So beating people and killing plants on a whim are both OK then.

The genoside you speak about was God's order for the people living in the area that His people would stay in order not to be mixed to their customs and become pagans. Simple as that. Read again just to be sure about it as it will make God's will much more understandable.

Why do you keep ignoring the flood?

Blasphemy in Old testament had death penalty, so stoning to death was God's order about this sin.

Umm I know that's why I said it, not sure why you are just repeating me now.

It is another thing to understand and believe in God (some humility)... and another matter to become united to Him. That needs a lifetime of trying hard and he will judge when humility becomes ones virtue instead of the target to conquer.

Non-Christians don't have the chance to be united to God by getting His blood and flesh. So, they are able to try but not reach the final target as all will be done without His bless. If we humans were able to save ourselves He wouldn't come and die for us after all. Not any human except for Him was without sins in all mankind history. But now, he deletes sins through His Death to gift us with eternal life.

Except once again that's not what you said. Why can't you actually answer the questions directly?

You do not want to understand obviously even when I made it too clear.

And the arrogance is back again. How do you know what I want?

I just copied here translated the word that Greeks in ancient times used for homosexual males.

Citation.

When you ask for specific answers from books you must be ready to read the exact ones due to originality reasons. Not trying to be offensive to anyone. People asked about that matter and I responded by copy-pasting original text.

Apart from these words of your own: I believe all know who are named as dogs by Jesus here. The ones who sexually act like the dogs.

Don't treat me as if I'm stupid enough for you to get away with this.

Now what about my question, which NT verses say you can't be a member here?


Oh and stop double posting, I'm not going to keep merging them for you.

 

[Famine]

(Rev 22:15)

I believe all know who are named as dogs by Jesus here. The ones who sexually act like the dogs.

I can say to you that this word in the epoch that was written meant exactly the homosexual males.

 

[CodeRedR51]

What an ass hat.

 

[Dan]

164 retweets and 90 favorites...

 

[Jet Badger]

Giving that any sort of attention won't make it any better though.

 

[Dan]

Three things I don't like about religion:

1: There are too many rules
2: It can turn people into hateful beings who take advantage of the suffering of thousands of innocent people to spread lies and aggression
3: Hypocrisy. This preacher thinks it's ok for Christians to mock innocent people from other religions, but when other religions mock Christianity, he would lose his mind

 

[Johnnypenso]

So you wanted evidence, but now you don't want to read it?

As for your bible, you seem very defensive about all things christian, but prefer not to identify as one in public.
My guess is you are
a) attacking the man, not the ball
b) a closet christian
c) both

Either way, I'm sorry for tarnishing you with the bible brush.

Still awaiting your explanation.

 

[jimipitbull]

Still awaiting your explanation.

Which part are you having trouble understanding?

Do you believe in god?

 

[Johnnypenso]

Which part are you having trouble understanding?

Do you believe in god?

jimipitbull said
Only 4 pairs? Plenty of inbreeding down the line then. Now I'm not saying that all christians have birth defects, but lots of them do wear glasses compared to say, muslims, and the current royal commission into institutional child abuse seems to indicate that christian institutions abuse more children than muslims. Perhaps it's genetic?

I would like you to point to the specific areas of the report that indicate this. Surely you've done the research yourself before making your broad, sweeping generalization so it should be easy. Are you just pointing out the blatantly obvious that since the vast majority of institutions are Christian and not Muslim, most of the abusers will be Christian, or did you have a more sophisticated, insightful and relevant point to make? If you don't have any evidence it's ok, just say so and we can move on.

My religious convictions, or lack thereof, have no bearing on the accuracy of your claims, sorry. If it is ever germane to a discussion, I'll fill you in at that time.

 

[jimipitbull]

I would like you to point to the specific areas of the report that indicate this. Surely you've done the research yourself before making your broad, sweeping generalization so it should be easy. If you don't have any evidence, just say so and we can move on.

My religious convictions, or lack thereof, have no bearing on the accuracy of your claims, sorry. If it is ever germane to a discussion, I'll fill you in at that time.

It was explained to you already.

Muslims don't generally hang out at christian institutions. As such, they don't often get abused there. Children, on the other hand, it's not like they have a choice.

 

[eran0004]

Well that points clearly nonsense, you can't worship something if you don't acknowledge it's existence.

Exactly. In fact, the entire concept of someone else telling you what you do or don't worship is nonsense. In my book, religion is something private and it's not your business to tell someone else what they should or shouldn't believe in.

Agreed, unfortunately there is enough of that going around this thread on both sides of the ball. Some Christians feel non believers are harmful to the human race and some atheists think the same towards Christians. Individuals are often held accountable for the actions of others by association, this is not limited to religion rather it creeps into many aspects of life.

I had a school teacher in the 3rd grade who loved to say "if you're not part of the solution, you're part of the pollution".

I was quite surprised the first time I encountered fanatic atheism. But then I realised that it's just the same as religious fanatism, in the sense that you believe so strongly in an idea that it becomes more important than anything else. Kind of like an ideological tunnel vision.

 

[JKgo]

What an ass hat.

.....Wowsers.

 

[TenEightyOne]

I was quite surprised the first time I encountered fanatic atheism. But then I realised that it's just the same as religious fanatism, in the sense that you believe so strongly in an idea that it becomes more important than anything else. Kind of like an ideological tunnel vision.

While the levels of fanaticism might by their very nature be the same the ideologies are diametrically opposed. Atheism is the refusal to believe in the idea that drives religious fanaticism, wouldn't you say?

 

[sammy neuman]

[QUOTE="SuperCobraJet, post: 10645179, member: 51987
It's more a case of either the Bible is true or it isn't.[/QUOTE]

That is what this comes down to, isn't it? There is no middle ground. I either eat the whole thing as expounded by yourself and some others or I and countless others are witting or unwitting pawns of Satan, doomed to eternal punishment.

 

[LeMansAid]

As for "my bible", unless you find a quote of me declaring my faith of choice, you an drop that assertion as well.

Yeah, yeah, but if you're not against it you're for it, right? If you're not hatin', you're lovin'.

On the subject of The Bible though - I think that there has been a whole lot of Matthew 7:1 verse 6 going on with the current pair of "God's soldiers", but not in the direction they would think or like. Seriously people, you are far too learned, thoughtful, and otherwise valuable to be hunkering down so deeply for a battle that really never was.

Each of your own choices of course, but to me it appears far beneath far too many of you.

That is what this comes down to, isn't it? There is no middle ground. I either eat the whole thing as expounded by yourself and some others or I and countless others are witting or unwitting pawns of Satan, doomed to eternal punishment.

I've always thought that those that fear any interrogation of their belief system (by others or themselves) actually have the weaker faith. If one does not believe it will withstand fierce questioning and examination, then they ultimately have a merely tenuous hold on a flimsy ideal.

I reckon the shoe fits.

 

[niky]

Well, we're pretty sure that whichever religion you pick, you're slated to an eternity in Hell in almost every other religion that has one.

Unless you're Greek or Roman, in which case you're going to hell, either way.

 

[GBO Possum]

Well, we're pretty sure that whichever religion you pick, you're slated to an eternity in Hell in almost every other religion that has one.

Unless you're Greek or Roman, in which case you're going to hell, either way.

So for Pascal's Wager to work, one has to pray to every god which has ever been prayed to. Thousands and thousands of them. That leaves very little time for actually having a life. And what if the "real god" was known so long ago that there are no surviving records? Then even Pascal's Wager doesn't work!

I'm thinking that the best implementation of Pascal's Wager is to base the choice on the god with the most credible track record, the best demonstrated ability to provide an afterlife of quality. Or even just an afterlife.

That should eliminate any and all fake gods.

 

[niky]

So for Pascal's Wager to work, one has to pray to every god which has ever been prayed to. Thousands and thousands of them. That leaves very little time for actually having a life. And what if the "real god" was known so long ago that there are no surviving records? Then even Pascal's Wager doesn't work!

I'm thinking that the best implementation of Pascal's Wager is to base the choice on the god with the most credible track record, the best demonstrated ability to provide an afterlife of quality. Or even just an afterlife.

That should eliminate any and all fake gods.

Don't forget, you also have to be a demi-god, otherwise there's no way you're getting to Mount Olympus. All mortals go to Hell.

And if you want to get to Valhalla, you have to conspire to die in battle. Or something.

-

And then there are those religions where there's no heaven at all... only an endless cycle of reincarnation.

 

[Rotorist]

So you claim homosexuality is a temptation from the devil....?

That's clear enough eh?

Why do you keep ignoring the flood?



Umm I know that's why I said it, not sure why you are just repeating me now.



Except once again that's not what you said. Why can't you actually answer the questions directly?


And the arrogance is back again. How do you know what I want?



Citation.


Apart from these words of your own: I believe all know who are named as dogs by Jesus here. The ones who sexually act like the dogs.

Don't treat me as if I'm stupid enough for you to get away with this.

Now what about my question, which NT verses say you can't be a member here?


Oh and stop double posting, I'm not going to keep merging them for you.

Flood (scientifically and historically proven that has happened) is either a physical disaster as you as an atheist should "believe" or an act from God with some pusrpose. If you have read OT, you know that the reason for that was the same with Sodoma's and Gomorra's case ("For them being souless"). So, what is the reason you ask about it?

As for the word dog and its meaning in ancient greek language you can search yourself. Not having intension to teach anyone here but if you cannot trust my knowledge in greek language as it is my own, do not proceed further in discussion as we cannot communicate at all about this matter. And you will never really comprehend NT without some good book explaining the meaning of what you read as many words cannot be really translated in meaning to any other language. Even modern greeks cannot fully represent the meaning of the original text which I repeat I can read without problems after so much studuying for more than 15 years now.

I see you cannot laugh at reminding of Sodoma's and Gomorra's event. And to laugh at Revelation, a book of NT which was written by one of Jesus Apostole's, is the same as to laugh at the whole NT, so you really don't want to discuss seriously about...

 

[Imari]

Flood (scientifically and historically proven that has happened)

A flood or the Flood?

It's been proven that floods happened. Anyone who lives beside water has to deal with floods. As far as I'm aware, it's not been proven that there was a worldwide flood that killed all life except that in a boat.

Would you care to link to some of the scientific and historic proof of this event?

 

[Chrunch Houston]

So you claim homosexuality is a temptation from the devil....?

That's clear enough eh?

Wow, are you tempted by other guys?

Most every straight guy I know is not.

 

[LeMansAid]

The "worldwide" flood...... With water generally just cycling through states (liquid, solid, gas), I wondered where all that water went.

I looked it up, and was amazed at the answer that I found - http://www.christiananswers.net/q-aig/aig-floodwater.html

Is that really the accepted view by Christians? If the flood thing seems far fetched, the fixing the Earth after thing seems off the charts.

 

[Scaff]

Flood (scientifically and historically proven that has happened) is either a physical disaster as you as an atheist should "believe" or an act from God with some pusrpose.

A global flood?

You have peer reviewed evidence, published in a credible publication that shows scientific and historic evidence for a global flood. Please provide it.

Oh and belief doesn't enter into it, it either happened or it didn't.

If you have read OT, you know that the reason for that was the same with Sodoma's and Gomorra's case ("For them being souless"). So, what is the reason you ask about it?

So committing genocide is OK as it follows God's actions?

I've asked you this clearly now a number of times, why can't/won't you answer it?

As for the word dog and its meaning in ancient greek language you can search yourself. Not having intension to teach anyone here but if you cannot trust my knowledge in greek language as it is my own, do not proceed further in discussion as we cannot communicate at all about this matter. And you will never really comprehend NT without some good book explaining the meaning of what you read as many words cannot be really translated in meaning to any other language. Even modern greeks cannot fully represent the meaning of the original text which I repeat I can read without problems after so much studuying for more than 15 years now.

You made the claim, the burden of proof lies with youy. So either provide the proof or withdraw the claim.

I will also ask you once again:

Now what about my question, which NT verses say you can't be a member here?