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Do you think the "competition" ever crosses PD's mind?
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I have been a long time lurker of this board but this particular thread forced me to sign up.
People often wonder what makes GT the game it is. Some say the graphics. Others say its the sheer amount of cars. The license tests etc.
For me it's the core feeling. When you select a track like the ring with dynamic time of the day and take a LFA on to the track, there is no feeling like it. I cant explain it. But it's like driving nirvana so to speak.
And when you add 16 players with rain inaddition to night time race, you are suddenly in a fight of your life. You cannot see the road ahead clearly and the rain makes the driving very treacherous. You're in constant battle with the car and the layers around you. How far can you push the throttle. Bearing in mind that the ring is quite narrow and a little mistake will cost you dearly.
This gloious experience is what makes me keep coming back to GT. I have never played forza so i wouldnt know what that series is all about. But for me as long as kaz continues to give me this sheer joy of driving experience then i would continue to buy GT for years to come
I don't care about GT's metacritic. I dont care that both GT5 and prologue together have outsold the entire forza collection. For me the most important thing in a game is gameplay. How the cars feel and how is the driving experience. GT has nailed this a million times over.
People often wonder what makes GT the game it is. Some say the graphics. Others say its the sheer amount of cars. The license tests etc.
For me it's the core feeling. When you select a track like the ring with dynamic time of the day and take a LFA on to the track, there is no feeling like it. I cant explain it. But it's like driving nirvana so to speak.
And when you add 16 players with rain inaddition to night time race, you are suddenly in a fight of your life. You cannot see the road ahead clearly and the rain makes the driving very treacherous. You're in constant battle with the car and the layers around you. How far can you push the throttle. Bearing in mind that the ring is quite narrow and a little mistake will cost you dearly.
This gloious experience is what makes me keep coming back to GT. I have never played forza so i wouldnt know what that series is all about. But for me as long as kaz continues to give me this sheer joy of driving experience then i would continue to buy GT for years to come
I don't care about GT's metacritic. I dont care that both GT5 and prologue together have outsold the entire forza collection. For me the most important thing in a game is gameplay. How the cars feel and how is the driving experience. GT has nailed this a million times over.
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So, what, you think "It's not part of the GT Vision" is a legitimate reason for PD to ignore advances in the genre?
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I love this argument. As if GT5P wasn't implementing things already done during the age of GT3 & GT4.
Does GT5 have the things Forza has as well? AFAIK, no, it doesn't. This goes both ways.
Forza only has customization paint job. It lacks in variety of different form of racing though. Not sure whether they are going to have rally and how many tracks will have day/night or night racing, weather and use nurburgring from Forza2 which was not good?. At least that track they need to redo it. GT5P they already had a max of 16cars online/offline.
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Firstly, if you look at the sales of GT's you can see an alarming decline
GT3 = 14.89 Million (9.3 Critic Score)
GT4 = 10.6 Million (8.7 Critic Score)
GT5 = 6.26 Million (8.3 Critic Score)
Then look at FM as an example
FM1 = 1.07 Million (9.2 Critic Score)
FM2 = 4.01 Million (9.1 Critic Score)
FM3 = 4.83 Million (9.2 Critic Score)
Clearly having the 'we have no competition' head in the sand attitude is only going to end in disaster..
It's not too late, Kaz/PD just need to get with the times, he can still bring his vision as he wants, he just needs to look at the gaming industry as a whole and bring Gran Turismo back up to date.
(All numbers from VGChartz, as a rough guide only)
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No, Cote de Azur has the same design that it has had since it debuted in GT3. And it was wrong in GT3.
Most of the track is about half a lane wider than it should be, several of the corners aren't nearly as complex as they are in real life, and the track is glass smooth when the real track is very much not.
Most of the track is about half a lane wider than it should be, several of the corners aren't nearly as complex as they are in real life, and the track is glass smooth when the real track is very much not.
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From the E3 interviews/footage I've seen, FM4 seems so feature rich online and offline that it makes GT5 look quaint, and anachronistic. Kinect integration, proper use of the Top Gear Licence, dynamic career mode, online mode that's light years ahead of Gt5's offering. I just hope that PD can have a bit of humility, and look at all the features western racing devs bring to the table and incorporate them into GT6... otherwise it'll just be a really pretty Dinosaur of a game - with awesome physics
Listing Forza's features is pointless among the trolls around here (not all are) because they all get dismissed because "If GT doesn't do it, it's a worthless feature".
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- kudos00
Great generalization Freddy ^^^ lol. MY brains turning to mush now.
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Please refrain from talking about a game you obvious have not played.
You clearly missed the "(not all are)" part. Maybe you should increase your reading comprehension skills.
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Well I am no Forza expert but apart from customization, rewind and some other things like community which some people care. It has less features.
Give me some evidence.
Those tracks are accurate they need to update it now as it is different from the F1 track these days especially the turn1 and little run off aread there
Give me some evidence.
Those tracks are accurate they need to update it now as it is different from the F1 track these days especially the turn1 and little run off aread there
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You seem blinded by some nonsense fanboy "Vs" twaddle,
You confuse the context by which I gave the numbers, it's not for some idiotic fanboy attack on you, it's just shows GT is in decline, whilst it's rival is growing. Of course the number of GT units sold has always been more then it's competition, always, and by a country mile, but it's clear that if PD carry on as-is, it's only going to sell less and less on each iteration..
It's not sad that GT5p outsold FM, that series is clearly looking onwards and upwards, what is sad is that GT5 will , if it keeps on it's current path, it will soon become second to it's rival..
Kaz can rectify this, he just needs to get with the times, we all know that PD could put out a stormer of a game with GT6 and get back up to where it needs to be, but in order to do that, it needs to resonate much better with us customers and the reviewers.
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Then how is it that you can say this:
As has been said before, Forza has over GT:
Telemetry, Livery, ALMS, rewind, much more detailed online room options (though not in open rooms sadly), more tuning options, a car list this isn't built upon repeats, community features, many options for progressing as you wish, and tons more to do in the single player mode. There are probably other things I didn't remember.
Also, "some people care"? As if everyone cares for GT's insane paint chip feature, irrational UCD, and "do it our way" career mode? Don't forget the leveling system, if ever there was a "negative feature", GT's level system is probably it.
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I guess Forza does it job for certain segment of audience. I know lot of people never played sim actually like Forza. They are also going to put nfs autolog feature. So yeah may be GT has to make such features like rewind and other thing for those people to enjoy a game.
I can't speak for everyone but I just like to take a car and drive. I play some PC sims too and most time I spend on practise, time trails.
I think there is a difference between game design choices and features, content
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I worry that PD don't know how to put it right, as is seems to stem from Kaz, and he has so far failed to acknowledged that the franchise is in trouble.
I just want Kaz to acknowledge that the design of GT is going to having to change and that GT5 is missing key features; if he did that, I could be more confident about GT6.
The fact he keeps talking about how they "created something incredible" gets me worried.
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100% with you on that, 3 and 4 are some of the greatest racing games EVER MADE. IMO GT4 is still the best ever racing game
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I dont think the gt series on a decline the sales have always fluctuated on each iteration
GT1-10.85
GT2-9.37
GT3-14.89
GT4-10.61
GT5-6.26 after 6 months with no price drop(only recently) or bundling.
But i agree the forza series is growing and become more of a challenger to gran turismo, pd need to be more aware of this.
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GT5 is selling better than GT4 in the same period of time.
GT4P sold 1,4M, GT5P 5,2M
GT5 sold in the first weeks 6,4M and there are no updated sales numbers since dec. 2010.
There is no Platinum yet and the total sale data of previous GTs are in the range of the full life period of the game. Many years of sales.
And yes GT games keep selling over the time year after year until the next title appears. Just research your facts!
Monaco is not a licensed track like Suzuka, Nurburgring, Tsukuba, etc... they are not allowed to recreate to detail so for that reason it has minor differences and a change in the name.
All the licensed tracks in the game are perfectly accurate.
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Wow the last few pages have been crazy lol! You guys are to much. They are both good games people just very different FM3 is a fun game with pretty good physics while GT5 for me is a driving game. I love driving so GT5 is Fun for me. I just got done doing the 4 hour nur race in aspec and it was a blast! Its so much passion in gt5, the game has been out for 7 months guys they will polish it up.
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Actually, Metacritic is an aggregation of reviews from a huge amount of publicationsJust wow. One websites opinion.
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Forza4 they are trying to put EA autolog option.
http://www.videogamer.com/news/forza_4_takes_eas_autolog_to_a_whole_new_level_2.html
I do not know what Kaz and PD have in mind regarding these option other racing games do but sure more options is good for more people to play.
I am not sure it is the angles or when they collected the data it was like that but getting the width of Monaco GP should not have been problem. I would love to seem them update it though to the latest config and may be do it for all tracks if possible.
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