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I never did aswell. Beat a Drag Tuned R35, With my HKS Replica STI Build 1,000HP lol.
Does Anyone Else Consider These "Hybrid" Cars Cheating?
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I never did aswell. Beat a Drag Tuned R35, With my HKS Replica STI Build 1,000HP lol.
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- jimipitbull
If you are doing things outside of a game's rules, by definition that is called cheating.
In relation to cars, a hybrid is defined as "two or more distinct power sources".
In other news, impaired social interaction (ie. cheating) and poor communication skills (ie. using the wrong words) are both symptoms of Autism and/or Asperger Syndrome.
In relation to cars, a hybrid is defined as "two or more distinct power sources".
In other news, impaired social interaction (ie. cheating) and poor communication skills (ie. using the wrong words) are both symptoms of Autism and/or Asperger Syndrome.
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- Chrunch_Houston
At the least, Sony should destroy their game saves.
A permanent ban from PSN seems logical, but a little harsh.
A permanent ban from PSN seems logical, but a little harsh.
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- Fisho_Man
Whilst they may be symptoms of the above-mentioned Autism and/or Aspergers, that someone cheats and uses poor communication skills has no relation whatsoever to whether they may have either of the two conditions.
I have Aspergers, and consider myself neither a cheat nor a poor communicator....although at times I speak somewhat slowly and type in shorthand.
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Lol. You're so silly.
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- BkS-y0
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Exactly, and this is why I use them. For fun.
Some people are so uptight.
Everyone needs to relax a little. This is just a game, and people who are hybriding are finding a way to have "more" fun, than the regulars. At least that's what I do it for. I like to see what goes on "under the hood" so to speak, and educating myself a little, and playing around with coding is fun.
I don't see the harm in it, but I guess there will always be people who try to "regulate" despite them being exactly like everyone else and having no higher authority.
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I think we would be stupid to think that PD won't at some point patch this so let's enjoy it whilst it lasts. I have just started making a few hybrids and I really don't consider my cars to be cheating. I've purposefully only made realistic cars and when they have 'gone wrong' and ended up with 1500hp + i have deleted them.
So yea, I dont see how using my 20B Re Amemiya RX7 which is slower than the original car to be cheating. Nor do I see how my K20 Elise is cheating.
So yea, I dont see how using my 20B Re Amemiya RX7 which is slower than the original car to be cheating. Nor do I see how my K20 Elise is cheating.
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- tougemonster33
Hi just saw that you have a k20 elise.Id would like to ask you to let me borrow it???My computer is down,i cant mod,never have.Im a Honda lover so if u got any realistic Honda swaps plz share.Got plenty of cars if u need any???? Plz get back to me my psn is the same a my username.
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That is the best way to get hated here, Also, a unlegit begging way to get a hybrid.....
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- tougemonster33
why because im asking for a legit K20 elise?No offense but Its a freaking game who cares!!!!! and to top things off i wasnt asking you for anything nor am i asking on how to mod.Simply want to drive a k20 elise and any other realistic Honda swaps that have been made.Sorry if i sound like a noob but i dont live on these forums My b im a complete noob found what i was looking for.Apologies
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If used to race against non-hybrid cars, hybrids are more than cheating. With all the options for creating these cars in a hacked PS3, it's like writing your own cheat code into the game. It's like playing a shooter game and bringing your custom rocket launcher that shoots through walls and sees through buildings and only kills what you tell it to. But you can also easily kill yourself in an instant if you are not careful with its power hahahaha.
Having said that, I must admit how fun it is to play around with many thousand horsepower and no consequences. I don't own any hybrids, I just borrow them for fun. Plus I would not dream of using them in races, only practice and cruising offline. They are definitely something different and fun but also they are definitely cheating if used in competition against non-hybrids.
Having said that, I must admit how fun it is to play around with many thousand horsepower and no consequences. I don't own any hybrids, I just borrow them for fun. Plus I would not dream of using them in races, only practice and cruising offline. They are definitely something different and fun but also they are definitely cheating if used in competition against non-hybrids.
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My take on hybrids (although I doubt my opinion means anything as I'm new to the site...)
If you want to make one of these cars for your own, off-line play, fine.
If you want to use it in a hybrid only series of races online, fine.
Any trophies or awards "won" with an altered car are false and mean nothing as you didn't play within the rules to get them.
The moment you take one of these altered cars into an open online game, online non-hybrid race series, or seasonal TT then you're cheating. I'm sure many will try to justify doing such things but you can't and there's nothing you can say that will make it legitimate. You might be able to justify it to yourself but a lie is still a lie even if you believe it yourself and a cheat is still a cheat.
Even calling the cars "hybrids" is just using a euphemism to make them sound more legitimate and acceptable so you don't have to call them "hacked" or "cheat" cars which is exactly what they are. It's no different than a military power announcing that they "neutralized 1000 insurgents" which sounds so much better than "we killed 1000 people". Or how animal shelters "euthanize unwanted pets" instead of saying "we kill puppies and kittens that no one wants." It's using words to try and hide, subvert, or soften the impact of the truth.
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If you want to make one of these cars for your own, off-line play, fine.
If you want to use it in a hybrid only series of races online, fine.
Any trophies or awards "won" with an altered car are false and mean nothing as you didn't play within the rules to get them.
The moment you take one of these altered cars into an open online game, online non-hybrid race series, or seasonal TT then you're cheating. I'm sure many will try to justify doing such things but you can't and there's nothing you can say that will make it legitimate. You might be able to justify it to yourself but a lie is still a lie even if you believe it yourself and a cheat is still a cheat.
Even calling the cars "hybrids" is just using a euphemism to make them sound more legitimate and acceptable so you don't have to call them "hacked" or "cheat" cars which is exactly what they are. It's no different than a military power announcing that they "neutralized 1000 insurgents" which sounds so much better than "we killed 1000 people". Or how animal shelters "euthanize unwanted pets" instead of saying "we kill puppies and kittens that no one wants." It's using words to try and hide, subvert, or soften the impact of the truth.
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Wish Pd did this themselves! I was playing forza 1 the other day and thought why pd hadnt done engine swaps yet.i mean forza 1 has them and it came out in 2005.so sad
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- Johnnypenso
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Well said Noob:tup:👍 The part about calling them hybrids instead of hacked or cheat cars is very poignant
And it clearly shows how the MOB Mentality is playing out. Loss of any rational thought and forgetting what is right and wrong.
Waiting on the Excuse(s) Posts.
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I agree, people shouldn't use them unfairly online.
It all goes down to how these cars are used, and modded, as there are some realistic "hacked" cars.
For example, I made me a Mazda RX-8 with a 20b and Gran Am specs, and a Formula Mazda by giving a Mazda RX-8 '03 engine with 265HP to a Formula GT and reducing the downforce. So yea, not all mods are that bad. IMO at least...
And no one has problems calling them hacked, we all know they are. We call them hybrids because that's a name that's been around since what? GT1? GT2? It's not like hybrids are a recent thing.
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So what if some people are making the slow unloved and unused cars more competitive , there's 1100+ cars and I only ever see the same few cars online in some rooms only them few cars its boring, What's the big deal, They still have to fit into the same PP class that all the other boring cars that EVERYONE uses has to.
CSL, LFA, HSC, 458, NSX LM road car are in every single 550pp room I join, After nearly two and a half years of this I'm bored I want different cars getting a look in
CSL, LFA, HSC, 458, NSX LM road car are in every single 550pp room I join, After nearly two and a half years of this I'm bored I want different cars getting a look in
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- Johnnypenso
There are bigger issues at stake than you being bored. Try taking a step back and see how this could negatively affect the game and series as a whole. Your personal wants are irrelevant to the bigger picture. IMO if the integrity of the PP system is comprimised in GT6, that could be the end of the series.
As I stated in another thread, swapping in parts from other cars 'adjusts' the PP on the car accordingly.
ie. if you stuff a Vette engine into the Miata, the PP goes up accordingly.
Same with chassis swaps.
The PP does break (goes negative) on the cars that use excessive BHP multiplier [ie. the 300000hp cars] however.
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The Lancer in this video had 3,300 HP and fit into a 550PP Room so saying that the PP is adjusted accordingly is wrong. He goes from 0-230 km/h entering the first corner with less than 1/4 throttle. I could give you dozens of other examples of dramatically overpowered cars that fit into standard PP regs but this is proof enough. Some of the hacked cars work out fine in PP, others do not, there doesn't seem to be any rhyme or reason to it. The PP system does not handle these hacks very well.
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He addressed that. The PP system can handle modded cars well. What it does not handle are overpowered cars, but we have the HP rules for them.
Not from what I've seen. Any specific examples?
Not from what I've seen. Any specific examples?
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That's evidence of the opposite, that the PP system is working as intended, ie up until it runs into cars without outrageous parameters. So it would seem that there is a rhyme and reason to the final PP numbers you'll get with modded cars.
Not trying to attack you or anything, but even if modded cars cause problems, that's not a reason to spread misinformation.
Not trying to attack you or anything, but even if modded cars cause problems, that's not a reason to spread misinformation.
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As usual you are wrong. It's evidence the PP system is irrelevant now. If a car fits into the standard PP regs and has 100 extra HP or 3000 extra HP it's still broken. There are literally hundreds, perhaps thousands of combinations of hacked cars now. Here are some examples of cars that are quite realistic in that they could exist in real life, yet comprimise the PP system. I don't own these cars and haven't driven them, but I've seen them in action and they are legit.
BMW M5 '08 - 1,032 BHP 619pp
Toyota 86 GT '12 - 578 BHP 550pp
Given the chassis it's on, the right HP for the Toyota is probably 480-500 if it could get that high, which it can't. With 100 extra HP it would be virtually unbeatable. There are many hybrids in the 1000 HP range with just over 600 PP, again, virtually unbeatable in the hands of a good driver. Trying to sort this out in an Open Lobby using HP is cumbersome, time consuming, and annoying and not a practical solution to this issue. Anyone who hosts a room on a regular basis would know that going through that kind of effort is not worth it.
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That Lancer didn't exactly blow away the competition. It was more like an extreme example of pitting a powerful car against lower powered but more nimble cars, in which case it really depends on the track which group has the advantage.
It seems a little unfair to expect the PP system to work well at such high HP anyway. That's not really in the range where they would be interested in the accuracy of the system.
It seems a little unfair to expect the PP system to work well at such high HP anyway. That's not really in the range where they would be interested in the accuracy of the system.
