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but be realistic so that wouldnt fit, But SRT Hemi V8 might go in a new 500..... maybe
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but be realistic so that wouldnt fit, But SRT Hemi V8 might go in a new 500..... maybe
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You wouldn't drive it, because his point was that it couldn't be done in real life and if GT6 does do engine swaps they should be at least somewhat feasible.
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I’m all for both engine swaps and drivetrain conversions. People put v8’s in fiats, minis e.c.t for drag racing, drifting and track racing. Also look at ken blocks fiesta and many other rally cars. It was a fwd street car (presuming it wasn’t just a shell) and is now awd.
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Really any WRC was converted except some of the already 4WD cars.
Also, I repeat drivetrain swaps are a part of JGTC/SGT.
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Which is what?
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DTM cars are more like NASCAR vehicles than anything else. They aren't drivetrain swaps because modern DTM cars aren't really based on anything. It would be like saying Mercedes turned the CLK into the CLK-GTR by putting the engine in the middle when in reality the only parts commonality was that they shared headlights and a vague shape.
The Audi R8 LMS isn't a DTM car. It is an FIA GT3 car.
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Btw that was the point in the clk-Gtr (plus there was a road version that super rare)
Dtm and NASCAR are way different. Yes engine size is the same through field like any touring car series but shape can be of any model, m3, slk and rs4 this year each different to the next (like f1) but cars need to stay as standard as possible. Btcc and wtcc is the same
Widened and track prepped and that all really, like Alfa 166 touring, Astra touring, a4 touring that are in the game
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Purpose built race cars in general never had "drivetrain swaps". To those mentioning ALMS, LMS, R8, JGTC, etc., those cars were built with that FR or MR drivetrain, from the ground up, for racing. It's not like Audi takes an R8 out of the showroom, tears it down, and converts it to GT spec. Now D1 I am not sure, I don't think any factory makes a purpose built drift car, so those might start out as street cars with VINs etc.
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JGTC cars (at least GT300 cars, since GT500 is basically just a wannabe DTM now), are built on road cars modified after the fact. So are cars in ALMS/ELMS/etc. that have no factory backing (the old Ferrari 550 GTS was assembled after the fact, for example).
My point was in the sense that they are bespoke racing cars that share absolutely nothing with their road versions. The only major difference for the purposes of this thread is that DTM cars follow the shape of the road cars much more closely, but it is still nothing more than putting a body that looks like the road car on top of a purpose built chassis.
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There closer than you think, NASCAR literally is a shell on a chassis with the same engines but any Touring Car Series uses factory made cars (built for racing but from manufacturer - anyone can buy) but rules state just like in gt3/1 (slightly different in 1 than 3) car need to be as close to factory model as possible, converted to racer etc. like Top Gear when they entered the Britcar 24hr, all those cars were close to street models. Yes the normal m3 or rs4 is softer but have you seen the slk black (looks same as Dtm car)
Exactly. The DTM cars are a completely custom chassis built as RWD from the start that have very little if anything to do with the road car, mechnaically.
They just drop a shell over that chassis and hey presto, it's an Audi A5. But it's not, it just has the shape of one and looks like one on the outside.
They just drop a shell over that chassis and hey presto, it's an Audi A5. But it's not, it just has the shape of one and looks like one on the outside.
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So is DTM, as Simon pointed out above (how did you find that picture? I couldn't find anything). There is no Opel Astra in the Opel Astra DTM any more than there is a Toyota Camry in the Toyota Camry Sprint Cup car. It looks more like the road car then your average NASCAR vehicle does, but they are just as far removed from each other.
Traditional touring/GT cars like GT3, ETCC, GT1, Britcar and etc. are not DTM.
I assume you mean the CLK-DTM road car, but no. That was made to look like a DTM car, but that was nothing more than a heavily modified CLK55 AMG.
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There are two very different ways to building a race car. You either take delivery of a normal road car shell and modify the crap out of it like WRC:
Which is what is usually done when the series requires homologation.
Or you start from complete scratch building your own custom chassis and then stick a body over that chassis which looks like a normal road car, like DTM.
Which is what is usually done when the series requires homologation.
Or you start from complete scratch building your own custom chassis and then stick a body over that chassis which looks like a normal road car, like DTM.
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Yes I no that but NASCAR doesn't look nothing like the road car brother. Dtm uses engines, drivetrain, shell and anything and they need.
No CLK-GTR had a road version too
Ultra rare - just like the racer you mentioned
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Purely due to regulation but simar car none the less, quoting from Dtm regs...
"The new Incident Cam can be used as evidence in controversial racing situations monocoque and cage with the integrated safety fuel tank that provides even better protection to the driver in an accident than was previously the case. Furthermore, the seat – similar to formula cars – is now installed in the carbon fibre monocoque that is joined to the roll cage made of high-strength steel. This innovative safety cell is the centrepiece of all DTM vehicles."
Same as F1, all for safety.
Btcc and Wtcc are different in the it's much closer to showroom models
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Yes. But none of those things come from the road cars. Everything about the cars in DTM is purpose built for DTM. They share no real link with the road cars they are supposed to represent anymore than a NASCAR vehicle does.
Your own excerpt from the rules supports this, because the road version of an Opel Astra doesn't have a carbon fiber monocoque chassis with a body on it.
Yes. The CLK-GTR had a road car. I never said otherwise. What I said was, much like DTM cars have nothing to do with the road versions of them, the CLK-GTR/CLK-LM had nothing to do with this car:No CLK-GTR had a road version too
Ultra rare - just like the racer you mentioned
Which it shared the same name with as well as sharing headlights and taillights.
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That's not really starting from scratch, that's just skipping factory built so they can add strength and reduced weight, pretty much everything was from factory, engine, diff, wheels, lights etc but just built to teams spec going down the regs list. Firesystem, electric/engine cut off etc same as any racer.
I get all that and I see where your coming from, I'm just saying they need to stay as close to road counterpart as possible, and tbh the SLK Black is as close to a DTM cars as is necessary, been in one and **** me, never again. Other touring cars are closer again but different regs dictate that (and not as fast!)Toronado
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