DTM Season 1**Race 10 Fri 20th May**Race 11 Sat 21st May**

[Knelly]

Hey guys, I showed initial interest in this but the day of the races (and time) just didn't suit. If you move the European one to a weekday, say 10:00 (and preferably not Fridays) then I will be there - promise.

I have to wait for the wife to go to bed before I can get on, hence the later the better.

It's been so frustrating to the point that I have been considering starting my own, for times that suit me, but if you change times, that might work.

I'll be looking in, as always.

 

[GTP_J_Turner]

NA results added to post #23 and group page.

 

[cmbeal317]

good to hear everyone had a great race, too bad they had problems with the series. Also nice to see that my pace car made it into a few pictures from the NA race. I'll hope to be able to make the race Sat. as pace car at Deep Forest.

 

[audi S4]

good to hear everyone had a great race, too bad they had problems with the series. Also nice to see that my pace car made it into a few pictures from the NA race. I'll hope to be able to make the race Sat. as pace car at Deep Forest.

Its not listed as a rolling start (race 3) but with the success of the 2 previous rolling starts Im thinking of just doing a rolling start for every race, except for nurburgring of course. So, cmbeal you are more than welcome to be our OFFICIAL pace car for the NA DTM Series Championship. I will also supply you with a car after the series is over, for your dedication and willingness to be our pace car. 👍

Im going to ask all of the NA drivers what their opinions are on this matter. I bascially already know that everyone enjoys starting the race with a warm up lap, Its so much more BA. and it reduces the risk of a bottle neck in the first few turns

 

[Minardi]

I will try to join the EU series on Friday (thanks Symp!). BUT. I have an ASTRA which in the meantime is souped up to 600+ HP, which is too much I reckon, and can't be turnded down (?), and I have a virgin Calibra. Any tips to bring It to 502 HP ? It will be a close call, I don't have time to practice, set up or test anything before friday night, so this will be hit and run. Any tips what to do before we start, please post them, as I don't play GT5 that much. I am not going to promise I can join, but I promise I will try. I definitely can join a race on march 4.

 

[Goruk]

Goruk, i think it was just the way the replays work that made your car messed up. In my replay you were lagging all the time but, you were not lagging in the race though. The lagging in the replay made you hit the barriers in just about every lap but, you were still doing 1:34s!! I'm sure it was just the replay because you would have been in the pits constantly if you were driving like that the whole race. You were well lit up! Good race though. Didn't realise how many lead changes we had until the replay.

I think that to, because in the replay you were lagging as hell (Symp not so much) but in the race it was quite good.

 

[Mojo Toker]

Its not listed as a rolling start (race 3) but with the success of the 2 previous rolling starts Im thinking of just doing a rolling start for every race, except for nurburgring of course. So, cmbeal you are more than welcome to be our OFFICIAL pace car for the NA DTM Series Championship. I will also supply you with a car after the series is over, for your dedication and willingness to be our pace car. 👍

Im going to ask all of the NA drivers what their opinions are on this matter. I bascially already know that everyone enjoys starting the race with a warm up lap, Its so much more BA. and it reduces the risk of a bottle neck in the first few turns

I'm fine with it S4. I wouldn't have said that after the 1st race fiasco (for me)but the second race start was totally lag free.

I also wanna thank CMbeal for his dedication to this series. I have a GT-R pace car in my garage. Maybe I can send it his way if he wants.

Catch u guys on track...

 

[cmbeal317]

thanks guys, If you want I can be the official pace car. I'll come to them all except the full Ring, as that would take forever to go around a lap. I do have the GT-R pace car if you would like me to use that, thanks for the offer Mojo Toker.

 

[GTP_J_Turner]

Its not listed as a rolling start (race 3) but with the success of the 2 previous rolling starts Im thinking of just doing a rolling start for every race, except for nurburgring of course.

I would have to agree. Both the formation laps in the EU Series have also been a great success. I thought we would have one car speed off, not knowing about the rolling start but, we havn't. I think it should be extended to the rest of the series (except Nordschleife).

Thanks to cmbeal for his pace car drives.👍
Would also love to have a pace car in the EU series but would just be happy with more than 3 drivers to be honest.

What race quality and voice settings did you guys in the NA race with?
Might have to go with a lounge race rather than a lobby. A lot of time spent kicking people, which i dont like doing, even after a warning.

If you move the European one to a weekday, say 10:00 (and preferably not Fridays) then I will be there - promise.
I'll be looking in, as always.

If it was a 10pm GMT race start on Friday's could you make it? I think the extra hour could help us sort out nicnew's connection problems and don't think would be to late for the others.

I will try to join the EU series on Friday (thanks Symp!). BUT. I have an ASTRA which in the meantime is souped up to 600+ HP, which is too much I reckon, and can't be turnded down (?), and I have a virgin Calibra. Any tips to bring It to 502 HP ? Any tips what to do before we start, please post them, as I don't play GT5 that much.

The 1.06 update added a power limiter to the car settings. You can just reduce the power to 502bhp. Hope to see you on Friday.

JT

 

[imolared333]

Currently I think the NA series of the DTM championship is the way to go, I do hope EU series got my participants and be as enjoyable as the NA sieres. The second race was even better, S4audi got the edge again, bagged with pole, fastest lap and the WIN. I improved my consistency a bit, and was second through out the race, but could never put any pressure on S4, rendering a quite boring race for him and myself. I hope the update will bring me some tricks that can be used to tighten up the competition again.

 

[audi S4]

A lounge is the way to go, We had 0 lag problems while racing in a lounge. My opinion is that this is the ONLY way to race a series, zero issues with mics and racers.

Currently I think the NA series of the DTM championship is the way to go, I do hope EU series got my participants and be as enjoyable as the NA sieres. The second race was even better, S4audi got the edge again, bagged with pole, fastest lap and the WIN. I improved my consistency a bit, and was second through out the race, but could never put any pressure on S4, rendering a quite boring race for him and myself. I hope the update will bring me some tricks that can be used to tighten up the competition again.

It was a boring race to be honest, but its all good.

Lets focus on Deep Forrest Raceway, One of my fav's! Bring on the competition

 

[Goruk]

By JT " I thought we would have one car speed off, not knowing about the rolling start but, we havn't."
Were you think about me?? I read things.... hehehe

 

[Mojo Toker]

Lets focus on Deep Forrest Raceway, One of my fav's! Bring on the competition

Ouch, you've lapped me in both races so far I think.... And now we have to try and compete with you on your favorite track???

My true expectations for Deep Forest are simply to not be lapped twice... LOL

Just kidding dude, I've always races ''aliens'', you're just the most recent one off the MotherShip... lol

Catch u on track on Saturday (well, on the pace lap at least... lol)

 

[GTP_J_Turner]

With the v1.06 update you can now set your power to the 502bhp series limit using the power limiter. There is a big difference in the weight of the cars in the series and maybe we could ever things out by adding a weight limit. Here is the current weights of the series cars:
Alfa 155– 1010 kg
Audi A4– 1080 kg
Audi TT– 1080 kg
Merc 190– 980 kg
Merc CLK– 1000 kg
Opel Astra– 1000 kg
Opel Calibra– 1040 kg
Vauxhall Astra– 1000 kg
Vauxhall Calibra– 1060 kg
If we set the weight limit to 1100 kg then ballast could be added to each car to even out the power/weight ratio and hopefully lead to closer races.
What does everyone think? Give me a 👍 or 👎 on this by 12noon GMT Saturday. If we get more that 50% 👍 i will add it to the rules for race 4 onwards.
My vote is 👍 but everyone in the series is entitled to keep the current weight rules if you want.

 

[Jav]

With the v1.06 update you can now set your power to the 502bhp series limit using the power limiter. There is a big difference in the weight of the cars in the series and maybe we could ever things out by adding a weight limit. Here is the current weights of the series cars:
Alfa 155– 1010 kg
Audi A4– 1080 kg
Audi TT– 1080 kg
Merc 190– 980 kg
Merc CLK– 1000 kg
Opel Astra– 1000 kg
Opel Calibra– 1040 kg
Vauxhall Astra– 1000 kg
Vauxhall Calibra– 1060 kg
If we set the weight limit to 1100 kg then ballast could be added to each car to even out the power/weight ratio and hopefully lead to closer races.
What does everyone think? Give me a 👍 or 👎 on this by 12noon GMT Saturday. If we get more that 50% 👍 i will add it to the rules for race 4 onwards.
My vote is 👍 but everyone in the series is entitled to keep the current weight rules if you want.

I think we should do that! Hell we can go up to 1200 to let the ISF racing concept run with race softs to be competititve!

 

[Goruk]

With the v1.06 update you can now set your power to the 502bhp series limit using the power limiter. There is a big difference in the weight of the cars in the series and maybe we could ever things out by adding a weight limit. Here is the current weights of the series cars:
Alfa 155– 1010 kg
Audi A4– 1080 kg
Audi TT– 1080 kg
Merc 190– 980 kg
Merc CLK– 1000 kg
Opel Astra– 1000 kg
Opel Calibra– 1040 kg
Vauxhall Astra– 1000 kg
Vauxhall Calibra– 1060 kg
If we set the weight limit to 1100 kg then ballast could be added to each car to even out the power/weight ratio and hopefully lead to closer races.
What does everyone think? Give me a 👍 or 👎 on this by 12noon GMT Saturday. If we get more that 50% 👍 i will add it to the rules for race 4 onwards.
My vote is 👍 but everyone in the series is entitled to keep the current weight rules if you want.

I think add weight to a car spoils a lot the handling of it, but since i'm running in a abt tt-r i have only to add 20kg so i think it's 👍
Or we can use PP something between 650-660, my Audi on racing mediuns is 655.

 

[RuudvdB]

Hello,

I'm Ruud a friend of Minardi and I will try to race this Friday.
I can't practice and I have not so many experience with GT5 but i will try.

My beautiful nickname is Chicataks, don't ask me why

 

[SymP]

With the v1.06 update you can now set your power to the 502bhp series limit using the power limiter. There is a big difference in the weight of the cars in the series and maybe we could ever things out by adding a weight limit. Here is the current weights of the series cars:
Alfa 155– 1010 kg
Audi A4– 1080 kg
Audi TT– 1080 kg
Merc 190– 980 kg
Merc CLK– 1000 kg
Opel Astra– 1000 kg
Opel Calibra– 1040 kg
Vauxhall Astra– 1000 kg
Vauxhall Calibra– 1060 kg
If we set the weight limit to 1100 kg then ballast could be added to each car to even out the power/weight ratio and hopefully lead to closer races.
What does everyone think? Give me a 👍 or 👎 on this by 12noon GMT Saturday. If we get more that 50% 👍 i will add it to the rules for race 4 onwards.
My vote is 👍 but everyone in the series is entitled to keep the current weight rules if you want.

I'm afraid I'll have to give this a 👎 (coming from a guy with a very light car )

But to be honest, the power to weight ratio IS the main reason I'm driving the Merc! I rather did this championship in the Alfa Romeo but the car is just not fast enough. Besides that, I don't think it's a good idea to change the rules in the middle of a championship. And if I look at the last EU race I don't think you should be afraid for the mercs... Or is it just me in a Merc?

Anyway, maybe it's a nice idea for the next series?

 

[SymP]

Hello,

I'm Ruud a friend of Minardi and I will try to race this Friday.
I can't practice and I have not so many experience with GT5 but i will try.

My beautiful nickname is Chicataks, don't ask me why

Hi Ruud, hope to see you Friday. It looks we finally get a filled starting grid...

 

[Smudger92]

I'm between cars a friend of mine give me his mercedes, and even without properly dialling it in its lightning quick, i managed to do a 1.28 on nurburgring gp/d with racing hards on.
There is a thread lurking somewhere about how the power limiter, gives the car greater torque when limited. So it would probably be a good idea to leave it out, otherwise some of the cars could really start walking away it, e.g. the lexus for definite, and maybe 1 or 2 others.

 

[GTP_J_Turner]

Unfortunatly we will have to live with the power limiter as there is no way of stopping people tuning up and cutting the power to 502bhp.
I hear what Symp is saying on the weight issue too. I don't want to keep changing the rules either. I think he is right when he says to leave it to the next series. This is the first one i have done and need to just iron out the kinks.
Welcome to our new drivers. Hopefully give a much needed boost to the Euro series and add to the series as a whole which seems to be growing all the time. 👍

 

[audi S4]

Im on the fence, whether to vote 👎 or 👍.
Here is my reasoning


I think that one of the reasons these cars handle so well is the way the aero and weight properties are applied on them. I think that changing the rules mid series is not the correct way to go about solving this problem. I propose that everyone take their DTM car and upgrade to a stage 3 engine tune with a stage 2 turbo, then limit their cars to 502 HP.

The small differences that are gained would be the same as the small differences that are already on the cars, for example, the Calibra Super Touring has a faster top speed than my CLK and actually has a better power to weight rating, I could catch it up in the corners but it woulld pull away from me on long straits...This same principal can be applied to the newly modified DTM cars that are running stage 3 engine tunes with a stage 2 turbo and are limited to 502 HP. The Calibra will still be faster than me in the straits but I'll still be able to catch him up in the corners. The power to weight of the Calibra will still be more than my CLK.

***The only difference I see in limiting the engine is the race as a whole will be faster, It still comes down to who can find the best line and race it consistantly, race clean to avoid damage, tire choices and passing opportunities...Remember that we are racing 40 laps, thats a long race, a lot can happen in that time, stage 3 engine mod or not.***

I'm not voting either way, This is my opinion and I will leave it up to my fellow racers to make a decision.

 

[Knelly]

If it was a 10pm GMT race start on Friday's could you make it? I think the extra hour could help us sort out nicnew's connection problems and don't think would be to late for the others.

JT

Is that the race start or the room open start. I would find it very difficult to get the wife to go to bed at 10:00 on a Friday night I'm afraid. 10:00 Sun - Thur would be no problem but if it is a Fri or Sat, generally, it would have to be 11:00 onwards, but appreciate that is probably too late for all you Europeans.

Really upset (not with anyone here) that I cannot race in this. Apart from NASCAR (off which there are loads), DTM is my next choice of car (have them all) and this seems to be the only well run and legit series.

Alternatively, if I spent the time to set up a seperate series, at say 11:00 on Wednesdays, would there be any interest from you lot to join?

 

[Mojo Toker]

Im on the fence, whether to vote 👎 or 👍.
Here is my reasoning


I think that one of the reasons these cars handle so well is the way the aero and weight properties are applied on them. I think that changing the rules mid series is not the correct way to go about solving this problem. I propose that everyone take their DTM car and upgrade to a stage 3 engine tune with a stage 2 turbo, then limit their cars to 502 HP.

The small differences that are gained would be the same as the small differences that are already on the cars, for example, the Calibra Super Touring has a faster top speed than my CLK and actually has a better power to weight rating, I could catch it up in the corners but it woulld pull away from me on long straits...This same principal can be applied to the newly modified DTM cars that are running stage 3 engine tunes with a stage 2 turbo and are limited to 502 HP. The Calibra will still be faster than me in the straits but I'll still be able to catch him up in the corners. The power to weight of the Calibra will still be more than my CLK.

***The only difference I see in limiting the engine is the race as a whole will be faster, It still comes down to who can find the best line and race it consistantly, race clean to avoid damage, tire choices and passing opportunities...Remember that we are racing 40 laps, thats a long race, a lot can happen in that time, stage 3 engine mod or not.***

I'm not voting either way, This is my opinion and I will leave it up to my fellow racers to make a decision.

U gotta love an alien with superior brain power...

Just kidding, once again. You guys'll get my sarcasm eventually.

I totally agree with you S4

My problem isn't one of regulations. I simply ''suck the bag'' at making setups and I'm racing with a very old Wingman wheel (which is looser than a 40 year old Vegas stripper).

I've been racing for a long time but haven't spent any time on the setups. I've always had a guy make me setups since we were on the same games on the cpu. Now that particular friend doesn't have a PS3 so I've lost my race engineer.

And you know what the funniest thing is? I went to college for 3 goddam years to get my degree in aerospace fabrication/conception. Studied thermodynamics, applied fluid mechanics, advanced physics, etc... I guess if it can't fly, I can't set it up...

All that being said, I'm having a blast in the races so far. Not the first one so much (all the lag trouble I got), but I had a hell of a fight with DeathByRotor for a couple of laps in the last race. That's really all I ask for, clean fun racing. Whether it's for 5th or 1st place.

I'll try stage 3 engine boost this week, maybe the torque'll make me a bit faster. 💡

 

[GTP_J_Turner]

Is that the race start or the room open start. I would find it very difficult to get the wife to go to bed at 10:00 on a Friday night I'm afraid. 10:00 Sun - Thur would be no problem but if it is a Fri or Sat, generally, it would have to be 11:00 onwards, but appreciate that is probably too late for all you Europeans.

I think we are going to have to keep the start race time to 9pm GMT.

Really upset (not with anyone here) that I cannot race in this. Apart from NASCAR (off which there are loads), DTM is my next choice of car (have them all) and this seems to be the only well run and legit series.

Thanks for the comments about the series. I started the group (and later series) because there was so much talk about a DTM series and nothing was getting set up. It is a lot of work but, worth it when we get really good, clean races and great race reports!

Alternatively, if I spent the time to set up a seperate series, at say 11:00 on Wednesdays, would there be any interest from you lot to join?

I say just go for it! Feel free to copy anything from the group page. If you want any of the images then let me know and i'll pass them on. I think you will get quite a lot for a Wednesday night. Check the original interest page for some names. I might make the ocasional race (changed shift to days/night during week)
"If you build it, people will come."

 

[Goruk]

What do you guys think about this, from »FIA GT Championship«

"How do the handicap weights work ? Cars which finish in the top three in either the GT1 or GT2 classes are awarded penalty weight. In GT1, they get 40kg for a first-place finish, 30 kg for second and 20 kg for third. In GT2, these weights are halved, so they get 20 kg, 15 kg and 10 kg respectively. Cars which finish from 4th and under progressively lose any penalty weight they might have accumulated. A 4th place finish loses 20 kg in GT1, with a loss of 30 kg in fifth place, and 40 kg are removed for sixth place onwards. The maximum weight that can be carried is 100 kg in GT1, or 50 kg in GT2. If a car carrying the maximum wins a race, they are given a 'supermaximum' of 150 kg in GT1 or 75 kg in GT2.
Penalty weight is also awarded for cars which may miss a race, or for race-by race entries"
I think it's a good solution for the upcoming series.

 

[SymP]

What do you guys think about this, from »FIA GT Championship«

"How do the handicap weights work ? Cars which finish in the top three in either the GT1 or GT2 classes are awarded penalty weight. In GT1, they get 40kg for a first-place finish, 30 kg for second and 20 kg for third. In GT2, these weights are halved, so they get 20 kg, 15 kg and 10 kg respectively. Cars which finish from 4th and under progressively lose any penalty weight they might have accumulated. A 4th place finish loses 20 kg in GT1, with a loss of 30 kg in fifth place, and 40 kg are removed for sixth place onwards. The maximum weight that can be carried is 100 kg in GT1, or 50 kg in GT2. If a car carrying the maximum wins a race, they are given a 'supermaximum' of 150 kg in GT1 or 75 kg in GT2.
Penalty weight is also awarded for cars which may miss a race, or for race-by race entries"
I think it's a good solution for the upcoming series.

👍 great idea!

 

[Mojo Toker]

Very good idea indeed. 💡

Only problem is: how do you enforce it?

I got no problem with the honor system, as long as everybody gets in line. 👍

 

[SymP]

Only problem is: how do you enforce it?

Hmmm....didn't think of that. Is it posible to get that data from the replay?

 

[GTP_J_Turner]

Just a reminder that tonights European Series Race 3 will be hosted in SymP_4000's lounge. Add him on PSN and the room will open at about 20:00 GMT for a 21:00 GMT race start. It will also be a rolling start so make sure you remember about the formation lap. See you at Deep Forest!