Ebola: I Guess We Are All Going To Die
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In the event that Ebola makes it into a developed country, the existing health infrastructure will be enough to contain it. The authorities will be well aware of the issue, and will monitor flights coming from West Africa. Should someone infected with the disease arrive, health officials will no doubt pass on advice to the population.
Robin
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....After the unlucky ones get it and die. They should totally focus on making sure it doesn't even get here.
I'm pretty sure they wouldn't be able to find that out because no one is going to purposely put a survivor next to an infected patient to see. If they do have immunity no one would be able to tell if they really caught it again or not.
Also many survivors have had disabilities afterwards like blindness so it's not exactly a full recovery.
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Ebola isn't contagious during the incubation phase. It's only once you start showing symptoms that you become a danger to others. Even then, it is easily contained - it cannot survive outside a host for long, and can be contained with water, chlorine and quarantine. Even once you catch Ebola, it's not a death sentence; the sooner you get treated, the better your chances of survival.
Those on the front line have blamed their initial response for the early phase of the outbreak. They didn't educate locals on the importance of early treatment, which led to fear and suspicion, and rumours that foreign doctors were falsely diagnosing the disease and using it to kidnap and murder people and steal their organs. As a result, communities kept their sick to themselves, hidden away from doctors and infecting everyone around them. To start with, MSF were trying to deal with thirty villages who refused them entry; they have now got that down to two, and think that if they can gain access, they can stop the outbreak by the end of the year.
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Is it correct that there's currently no proven cure or vaccine? I read in "the news" (I know, I know) that treatment revolves around physically sustaining the patient while they the either die/survive. I believe the survival rate for those going into appropriate early treatment was about 70%?
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The BBC said last night that treatment basically revolves around hydration. That definitely isn't a cure or a vaccine, but alleviates the symptoms enough to give the immune system a chance.
And now that most of the villages effected are on board, the survival rate is quite good as far as I can tell.
And now that most of the villages effected are on board, the survival rate is quite good as far as I can tell.
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Correct.
Such is the way of the world, that for all its terrifying lethality, Ebola is as fragile as vulnerable as we are. It's duality.
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How about no. We don't need anyone sick getting here. Keep them in quarantine over in Africa.
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How about no. We don't need anyone sick getting here. Keep them in quarantine over in Africa.
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The following is from CBS Charlotte.
They tally 700 dead in 4 west Africa nations, but disconcertingly cite evacuations of health care workers.
CHARLOTTE, N.C. (CBS Charlotte/AP) — A Liberian health official says the Ebola outbreak is now above the control of its government.
“Our government has declared this now as a humanitarian crisis that is above the control of the national government,” Tolbert Nyenswah, Liberia’s assistant minister of health, told CBS News.
More than 700 people have died in four western African nations during the largest Ebola outbreak ever, with over 320 known cases in Liberia alone. One American died while contracting the virus in Liberia. Two other American medical missionary workers also contracted Ebola.
“This virus, if it is not taken care of, will be a global pandemic,” Nyenswah told CBS News, calling for more international aid to help treat the sick and stop the spreading of the disease.
The Peace Corps has now temporarily evacuated 340 volunteers from Guinea, Liberia and Sierra Leone after two members were exposed to the virus. CBS News reports those two volunteers have been isolated.
This comes as two North Carolina-based missionary groups have ordered the evacuation of their non-essential personnel from Liberia after a doctor and a missionary contracted Ebola.
SIM USA President Bruce Johnson announced Tuesday that his group and Samaritan’s Purse decided on the evacuation following an upsurge in the number of Ebola cases in Liberia. Johnson said the logistics of the evacuation are being determined.
Spokesman Palmer Holt said approximately 60 employees will be evacuated. A statement from SIM says none of the evacuees is displaying any symptoms of Ebola, but all are being monitored continually.
A Texas-trained doctor and a missionary from Charlotte have contracted the disease.
They tally 700 dead in 4 west Africa nations, but disconcertingly cite evacuations of health care workers.
CHARLOTTE, N.C. (CBS Charlotte/AP) — A Liberian health official says the Ebola outbreak is now above the control of its government.
“Our government has declared this now as a humanitarian crisis that is above the control of the national government,” Tolbert Nyenswah, Liberia’s assistant minister of health, told CBS News.
More than 700 people have died in four western African nations during the largest Ebola outbreak ever, with over 320 known cases in Liberia alone. One American died while contracting the virus in Liberia. Two other American medical missionary workers also contracted Ebola.
“This virus, if it is not taken care of, will be a global pandemic,” Nyenswah told CBS News, calling for more international aid to help treat the sick and stop the spreading of the disease.
The Peace Corps has now temporarily evacuated 340 volunteers from Guinea, Liberia and Sierra Leone after two members were exposed to the virus. CBS News reports those two volunteers have been isolated.
This comes as two North Carolina-based missionary groups have ordered the evacuation of their non-essential personnel from Liberia after a doctor and a missionary contracted Ebola.
SIM USA President Bruce Johnson announced Tuesday that his group and Samaritan’s Purse decided on the evacuation following an upsurge in the number of Ebola cases in Liberia. Johnson said the logistics of the evacuation are being determined.
Spokesman Palmer Holt said approximately 60 employees will be evacuated. A statement from SIM says none of the evacuees is displaying any symptoms of Ebola, but all are being monitored continually.
A Texas-trained doctor and a missionary from Charlotte have contracted the disease.
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You're right. It should be Africa's problem. It's their fault that they got sick in the first place. After all, they were stupid enough to be born there. The health infrastructure is substandard, but hey, so long as there is no immediate threat to you, it's Somebody Else's Problem. Even if America has facilities and knowledge and resources that could be used to not only fight the outbreak, but shorten it.
So, I have an idea: accept the Ebola patient. And in the meantime, send Crispy to Liberia. It's easy for him to condemn hundreds, if not thousands of people to a horrifying death from his ivory tower, even when he knows that his country has the power to contain any infected patients without posing any threat to the community. Just so long as it doesn't affect him directly.
Pack your bags. A little perspective will do you a world of good. If you survive it.
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Ignoring the obvious irrational ranting, would you like to specify who is/are at fault for Africa's poor living conditions?
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As someone living in an African Country, getting worried now 
won't be long before panic stations set, I remember when I had the swine flu, that was an awful week.
won't be long before panic stations set, I remember when I had the swine flu, that was an awful week.
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Some might blame explorers, invading armies, colonists and missionaries. Others might say learn what the explorers, invading armies, colonists and missionaries themselves had to say. Finally, there is the literature and stories of the natives themselves. Perhaps they blame their ancestors or the spirits?
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Robin
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Yeah Colonialism tended to strip resources and wealth whilst providing very little development to the country itself.
I'm quite surprised they are flying Ebola patients to the US. Can they absolutely guarantee it won't get out? I guess they want to try and treat them with state of the art experimental stuff at some facility.
I'm quite surprised they are flying Ebola patients to the US. Can they absolutely guarantee it won't get out? I guess they want to try and treat them with state of the art experimental stuff at some facility.
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The ranting is not irrational.
Despite its lethality, its contagiousness, and the terrifying way in which is kills, Ebola is cheaply and easily treated - water, chlorine, quarantine and hygiene. The health infrastructure in Africa might be lacking, but the United States can easily manage an infected patient who is brought into the country under controlled conditions and placed into an immediate quarantine. There is a minimal risk to the civilian population, and while under observation and treatment, the patient can provide invaluable information on the spread of the disease. And yet, despite all of this, of all the medical professionals with years of experience handling dangerous infectious diseases like Ebola, if Crispy had his way, it would all be for nothing.
It doesn't matter who is responsible for the current state of health infrastructure in Africa - it's Crispy's deplorable attitude of "it's somebody else's problem" that will only further erode the quality of health care on the continent.
But, hey, he's healthy, so it doesn't matter what is happening to someone else on the other side of the world just as long as it doesn't affect him personally.
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The guy saying not to lock the borders up and leave Africans to their own devices is the one being irrational?
You're missing the point entirely. It's not about who's fault or responsibility it is. The west have the resources to provide significant aid to these people that can't be provided by their own governments, and at very little to no risk to the population here. But you'd have us all shut the borders down and leave them to die and let the outbreak spiral out of control.
It's frankly just a disgusting view of the world. Along with your views on Islam, immigration, and anyone who isn't from where you're from, all I see from you is an irrational (there's that word) fear of anyone who isn't from where you're from. You must have worked really hard to be born in Finland, what a great accomplishment. Those poor folks in Africa should have worked harder to be born where you were.
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Which is ironic, given that Finland - and Scandinavia in general - is actually pretty liberal.
