Ebola: I Guess We Are All Going To Die

[dxm8975]

I saw it on CBS this morning. I'm glad, but also kind of worried about the other patient. The other patient's husband said that "she calls me every day, telling me she's getting better bit by bit" (or something along those lines) so maybe I'm just a bit paranoid.

Yeah, I've just read the article and I'm relieved to hear he's now okay.

I also watched in a daily news a couple of days back that a Nigerian woman who went over to the Abu Dhabi airport for a transit to a connecting flight to India died of supposed symptoms of the Ebola disease(and a Saudi Arabian guy who returned from Sierra Leone died several days following his arrival), both proved to be negative in a medical checkup thus far.

 

[Aphelion]

Hmmm... I seem to remember this kind of reaction to swine flu a few years ago...

But anyway, this virus has a very specific way of transferring from person to person, and a small window between contracting the virus and the symptoms starting, so i think it is actually pretty easy to control once you know its there. the question is not if it will become a world threat, but if it will significantly threaten the African population.

 

[prisonermonkeys]

According to Kent Brantly, ZMapp didn't save his life. God did.

 

[Dotini]

But anyway, this virus has a very specific way of transferring from person to person, and a small window between contracting the virus and the symptoms starting, so i think it is actually pretty easy to control once you know its there. the question is not if it will become a world threat, but if it will significantly threaten the African population.

Authorities in Liberia have quarantined an island slum of Monrovia containing about 75,000 people. Anarchy has broken out on the impoverished island, with food and water prices out of reach for many. Those attempting to leave the island are shot. Are African populations significantly threatened? It would appear to be so.

 

[Not_A_Guest]

According to Kent Brantly, ZMapp didn't save his life. God did.

I'm fine with him believing that with the whole of his heart as long as he knows how important the doctors and other workers were as well.

Authorities in Liberia have quarantined an island slum of Monrovia containing about 75,000 people. Anarchy has broken out on the impoverished island, with food and water prices out of reach for many. Those attempting to leave the island are shot. Are African populations significantly threatened? It would appear to be so.

Do I think this is morally acceptable? It's on the edge between yes and no for me.
Do I think this is interesting? Yes. I want to see what happens as the people inside are further detached from the regular life of a human being. Obviously something like this hasn't occurred before due to real moral issues, so it'll be a whole new experiment.

 

[Robin]

So hazmat suits to the extreme, that's what we have seen when the US & Spanish citizens were taken back.

....our Ebola patient comes in being wheeled like this, you have to be kidding me...

 

[Famine]

That's because we put the patient in a Hazmat suit.

 

[TenEightyOne]

....our Ebola patient comes in being wheeled like this, you have to be kidding me...

You're joking, right? Ebola doesn't make you explode or anything, that's landmines you're thinking of.

 

[Robin]

The doctors should really also be in hazmat suits or at least wear masks. Kent Brantly was in a suit and that didn't stop everyone around him wearing one. The Spanish priest was in a sealed tent and the doctors were also wearing lots of protection.

 

[TenEightyOne]

The doctors should really also be in hazmat suits or at least wear masks. Kent Brantly was in a suit and that didn't stop everyone around him wearing one. The Spanish priest was in a sealed tent and the doctors were also wearing lots of protection.

You should telephone them and say they're doing it wrong, really

 

[Not_A_Guest]

You should telephone them and say they're doing it wrong, really

I think the reason why something's wrong with that picture is because you don't want to take chances with Ebola. Everybody in this thread has heard of what it does, and nobody wants that to happen to anybody else.

 

[TenEightyOne]

I think the reason why something's wrong with that picture is because you don't want to take chances with Ebola. Everybody in this thread has heard of what it does, and nobody wants that to happen to anybody else.

True, but as the picture demonstrates containing the doctors and not-so-much the patient doesn't work, especially in transit.

Here's the patient being moved through London, judging by the mesh in that Bimmer I'd say that's an armed vehicle. Quite rightly too, can you imagine the value of an Ebola patient to ISIS right now?

BBC article, pic orig from Reuters.

 

[Famine]

Ebola is fluid-mediated. Unless they're licking the guy's blood up it's "fine", for relative values of fine. Suiting him up is even safer - stops him leaking onto the floor for someone to lick up later - while suiting everybody up is just a case of "look at how much money we've got to spend on hazmat suits".

Here's the patient being moved through London, judging by the mesh in that Bimmer I'd say that's an armed vehicle. Quite rightly too, can you imagine the value of an Ebola patient to ISIS right now?

It's a standard Met road policing unit. ARVs have little fluorescent yellow circular stickers in one (passenger side) or both upper corners of the windscreen and rear screen.

 

[TenEightyOne]

Ebola is fluid-mediated. Unless they're licking the guy's blood up it's "fine", for relative values of fine. Suiting him up is even safer - stops him leaking onto the floor for someone to lick up later - while suiting everybody up is just a case of "look at how much money we've got to spend on hazmat suits".It's a standard Met road policing unit. ARVs have little fluorescent yellow circular stickers in one (passenger side) or both upper corners of the windscreen and rear screen.

D'oh, of course this is in London. I said that too, my miss

Elsewhere ARVs are only normally designated by roof markings (for helicopters/planes). You're right, as usual

 

[Dotini]

http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/25/world/africa/ebola-outbreak/

(CNN) -- The Democratic Republic of Congo is reporting new Ebola cases in a northern town, sparking fears that the deadly virus is expanding far beyond West Africa.

Africa has been limited to three strains: Bundibugyo, Zaire and Sudan. Though Congo has had the Zaire strain in the past, it's unclear whether it's the same one in the latest outbreak.

A major outbreak in Congo would be catastrophic; it shares borders with nine nations, including Rwanda, Uganda and Burundi.

 

[Not_A_Guest]

http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/25/world/africa/ebola-outbreak/

(CNN) -- The Democratic Republic of Congo is reporting new Ebola cases in a northern town, sparking fears that the deadly virus is expanding far beyond West Africa.

Africa has been limited to three strains: Bundibugyo, Zaire and Sudan. Though Congo has had the Zaire strain in the past, it's unclear whether it's the same one in the latest outbreak.

A major outbreak in Congo would be catastrophic; it shares borders with nine nations, including Rwanda, Uganda and Burundi.

Let the panic begin...

Honestly though, I think that some media is blowing this up to be like a worldwide zombie epidemic. Maybe it's just my local news stations.

 

[The Bman]

Reports of Ebola's transmission have been greatly exaggerated.

Really, Ebola spreads through bodily fluids. The chances of the virus spreading across the world to billions of people are virtually non-existent.

 

[Dotini]

Reports of Ebola's transmission have been greatly exaggerated.

Really, Ebola spreads through bodily fluids. The chances of the virus spreading across the world to billions of people are virtually non-existent.

Let the panic begin...

Honestly though, I think that some media is blowing this up to be like a worldwide zombie epidemic. Maybe it's just my local news stations.

Yeah, agreed, Ebola is pretty much a curiosity of minor importance. But if the virus were to mutate such that it became transmissible through the air like flu, then all bets would be off. Rien ne vas plus.

 

[sems4arsenal]

According to a local newspaper an egyptian returning from Sierralion who has Ebola is now being quarantined and since this is Egypt then I'm no doubt going to die, it's been fun folks.

Edit: reports saying he has been cured of it but he is being held as a precaution, so I might survive this.

 

[Not_A_Guest]

According to a local newspaper an egyptian returning from Sierralion who has Ebola is now being quarantined and since this is Egypt then I'm no doubt going to die, it's been fun folks.

Edit: reports saying he has been cured of it but he is being held as a precaution, so I might survive this.

Nope.
The media will kill you and say it was ebola.

 

[sems4arsenal]

Nope.
The media will kill you and say it was ebola.

Knew it

 

[Michael88]

Reports of Ebola's transmission have been greatly exaggerated.

Really, Ebola spreads through bodily fluids. The chances of the virus spreading across the world to billions of people are virtually non-existent.

You do know the flu does this every single year and tens of thousands of people die from it in Europe alone, right?

 

[TenEightyOne]

Reports of Ebola's transmission have been greatly exaggerated.

Really, Ebola spreads through bodily fluids. The chances of the virus spreading across the world to billions of people are virtually non-existent.

What you ignore with that statement are the low resources available to many of the third-or-second-world countries where the outbreaks are occuring.

In first-world medical terms the outbreaks are controllable (if not directly treatable at this time) but outside that sphere this is critical.

You realise that Ebola isn't necessarily the primary concern here? Cholera is as big a danger once the infrastructure can't cope with the number of corpses.

You do know the flu does this every single year and tens of thousands of people die from it in Europe alone, right?

I agree with that, but it doesn't look as TV-sexy as isolation-tents and medical-spacemen

 

[Dotini]

I heard Obama say a day or two ago that unless the west gets its (financial and boots on the ground) act together to go help stamp out this epidemic, we could be looking at a million Ebola cases in very short time. The death rate has been reported at anywhere between 50% to 71% to as high as 80%. Several west African nations are in danger of collapsing under the burden of fighting it. Should the contagion spread to additional impoverished population centers, or the virus mutate to airborne transmission, this problem could go from bad to worse.

 

[RACECAR]

I agree with that, but it doesn't look as TV-sexy as isolation-tents and medical-spacemen

Kinky.

 

[The Bman]

You do know the flu does this every single year and tens of thousands of people die from it in Europe alone, right?

Then why do we have a whole topic about this lone Ebola outbreak rather than the flu?

What you ignore with that statement are the low resources available to many of the third-or-second-world countries where the outbreaks are occuring.

In first-world medical terms the outbreaks are controllable (if not directly treatable at this time) but outside that sphere this is critical.

The fact that Ebola has only infected around 6,000 people - out of tens of millions - in such poor countries proves that they're doing quite a good job at containing the disease. It's not going to be stopped in an instant no matter what country is infected.

You realise that Ebola isn't necessarily the primary concern here? Cholera is as big a danger once the infrastructure can't cope with the number of corpses.

Where the hell did you come up with cholera? Because corpses infected with Ebola will spread cholera instead?

 

[TenEightyOne]

Then why do we have a whole topic about this lone Ebola outbreak rather than the flu?

Because flu is vaccinable and directly treatable, ebola isn't.

The fact that Ebola has only infected around 6,000 people - out of tens of millions - in such poor countries proves that they're doing quite a good job at containing the disease. It's not going to be stopped in an instant no matter what country is infected.

Correct. In that flip you just about answer your previous question.

Where the hell did you come up with cholera?

That's a little combative, perhaps you might ask the question more nicely?

The answer is simple; I made a mistake based on something I believed... which was that rotting corpses at water-level will generate and spread cholera. When I'm wrong I'm wrong, but I do try to be more pleasant than you it seems.

 

[The Bman]

Because flu is vaccinable and directly treatable, ebola isn't.

As stated, isn't flu the bigger killer, however? And more common?

The answer is simple; I made a mistake based on something I believed... which was that rotting corpses at water-level will generate and spread cholera. When I'm wrong I'm wrong, but I do try to be more pleasant than you it seems.

Knowing that someone else corrected a mistake of theirs after they made a claim is impossible until they tell you that they realize it. The extent of falseness from your claim is what provoked the "where the hell" response, not for the reason to act rude.

In no way was my response intended to be hostile. Although, explicitly claiming that you respond in a more pleasant tone than someone else is bound to result in more ill-mannered responses.

 

[TenEightyOne]

As stated, isn't flu the bigger killer, however?

It is indeed. It doesn't have the eye of the media though mostly due to its vaccinable nature (in my opinion).

According to the figures herein there was a case-fatality rate of 0.03% during the H1N1 outbreak of C.2010.

Ebola has a 1500-times-higher fatality rate though at around 50%, while it's currently being "contained" the dangerous potential of this virus is clear if vaccination tests aren't successful. It's my belief that vaccination tests will be successful (current evidence seems good) but for now Ebola poses a serious threat if unchecked.

In no way was my response intended to be hostile

That's okay, the statement you responded to wasn't meant to be wrong

 

[terminator363]

This is the movie they played after the late night news report on Ebola in Bulgaria:



Some TV channels have a great taste in humor.