Economy system is a piece of ****!

[Gr8_Lakes]

I know this is not a popular opinion, but I don't see the need for any economy in a racing game. I personally would give GTSport a bit more attention if I didn't need to purchase vehicles. I certainly appreciate the ability to just select and drive any vehicle in game with Project Cars, Project Cars 2, and Assetto Corsa. I feel like I've forked over my cash for the game, let me have access to the content - all of it. Having to grind away for credits is possibly GTSport's selfish way of keeping gamers from spending their valuable spare time playing their competitor's games. Had the opposite effect on this guy though. Why grind away in GTSport when I have unlimited access to content in other games? But, this is an opinion. Not by any means do I feel my opinion should constitute the rule. I'm sure some enjoy the progression and feelings of achievement/accomplishment for invested effort. Me? Not so much. Just let me see what each car has to offer.

 

[kjeldsen]

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[TonyJZX]

Where's your sense of pride and accomplishment?

I agree with you. This game should be about driving cars on tracks... competition either online or with meaningful single player events.

Other companies are have spent money studying the whole skinner box angle of how to 'incentivise players to play or pay' - and yet I feel like PD havent really studied current trends, in fact they ignore them and do just whatever they think is appropriate.

I would love to get a Japanese player's perspective on this.

I also feel like Forza has *some* of this in a much milder way. ie. their 250gto and whatevers are in the up to $10 mil. class and you too have to do some weird stuff to get those cars.

 

[Gr8_Lakes]

Where's your sense of pride and accomplishment?

I agree with you. This game should be about driving cars on tracks... competition either online or with meaningful single player events.

Other companies are have spent money studying the whole skinner box angle of how to 'incentivise players to play or pay' - and yet I feel like PD havent really studied current trends, in fact they ignore them and do just whatever they think is appropriate.

I would love to get a Japanese player's perspective on this.

I also feel like Forza has *some* of this in a much milder way. ie. their 250gto and whatevers are in the up to $10 mil. class and you too have to do some weird stuff to get those cars.

My son (10 years old) plays the Forza series games. (Yup, he had to have an XBOX for Forza titles - couldn't be content with Dad's PS4 games ). He prefers the Horizon games, but also enjoys Motorsport. Seems like the credits flow a lot easier in the Forza games - wheelspins, achievements, etc. I'm watching from the sidelines, but he seems to rack up the credits and cars pretty quickly and without any frustrating "grinding." Especially since his gaming time is very limited during the school weeks. I'm actually seriously considering a Drive Hub converter just for the ability to play the new Horizon game in my sim rig - I'm pretty envious of that one. But I agree with your view that Forza has a better grasp on how to use an in game economy without frustrating the users. In general, I think Forza is pretty amazing franchise that does driving games extremely well. They've stolen and eaten Polyphony's lunch in my opinion.

Oh, my sense of pride and accomplishment? The fact that I'm still married after building a sim-racing rig without permission, am allowed to have it in the house, and even get to play occasionally. That's enough for me. =👍

 

[Mark IV]

I also feel like Forza has *some* of this in a much milder way. ie. their 250gto and whatevers are in the up to $10 mil. class and you too have to do some weird stuff to get those cars.

Im ready to do weird stuff as long as its not boring or mind numbing.

 

[TonyJZX]

Oh, my sense of pride and accomplishment? The fact that I'm still married after building a sim-racing rig without permission, am allowed to have it in the house, and even get to play occasionally. That's enough for me. =👍

This is the meme that's been circualting here too:



I think to be quite honest, Gran Turismo has turned into an "old mans" game. Its for people who owned the PS1 and GT1/2 etc.

Even Forza Motorsport has the stink of "hey kids" trying to be cool when in fact Horizon has stolen everyones' lunch.

I do get people's frustrations with this game... and I'm torn as I do think this is the game of the generation for me. I'm actually quite bemused and even admire people here who grind. I get that dedication.

But its not for me, I just do my 42km a day and I enjoy that slice. Like you older guys everthing gets in the way.

I remember a few threads on reddit where parents buy GT Sport for their kids and they;re asking the easiest way to acquire cars for their kids to drive.

Yeah about this.... this isnt the game.

 

[George Jakob]

You want mark 4? Sure all you need to do is only 53 premium lounge blue moon race and all of them has to be with n300 car plus clean race.

Or you know save money normally and buy it when you can?.

the hell im suppose to focus online modes if gt sport FORCES me to play boring, unexcited and time wasting offline races over and over again to actually earn something?

The game dosen't FORCE you to play in fact the most expensive cars are also the most useless ones in the game.

There are no Gran Turismo game that forces to play a single race over and over again to earn something except the Gt sport.

looks like you haven't play the first 4 GT's.

If you think about it, the current economy system is very good and there is no problem with it 👍.

No there is quite a big problem with it i played like 6 per day to get these 20.000.000 sure it was my choice because i had the time (for personal resson that i don't want to talk about here) You let your console do the job for you so i don't think you have any room to talk about this matter.

Then explain how all LMP1 and Group C cars (Group 1 cars) got their prices halved from >2 million in average to 1 million.

The same resson why if the old WRC rally cars return will cost 450.000 instead of 750.000 because they are into groups so they are made affordable for use in Sport mode.

You don't need a second 🤬 full time job, if you moan & groan about the credits go and play other racing games which don't have a credit system.

You don't know what others need also wow you said "if you grown and moan about the credit system go play other racing games" man you should work for EA.

Oh, I play it over time. I don't grind it over time. The difference should be obvious.

I have no doubt in my mind that if I dedicated every second of my existence and skipped things like

• Education
• Having a job
• Seeing other people
• Playing any games other than Sport
• Basic human needs like eating and sleeping
• Generally having a life

You are exaggerating.

 

[Knukel]

The game dosen't FORCE you to play in fact the most expensive cars are also the most useless ones in the game.

The same resson why if the old WRC rally cars return will cost 450.000 instead of 750.000 because they are into groups so they are made affordable for use in Sport mode.

Do you mean that the expensive cars are useless because they doesn't have their own group, or because the pricing is making it nearly impossible to own or actually race them online? Or some other reason?

 

[George Jakob]

Do you mean that the expensive cars are useless because they doesn't have their own group, or because the pricing is making it nearly impossible to own or actually race them online? Or some other reason?

They are useless because of the resson you said yes but also because the only place you could race them besides online lobby's is in the nostalgic 1979 GT league event which you are not forced to complete in order to 100% the game.

 

[Tired Tyres]

If you're not actually playing the game, why are you collecting the cars?

Somewhat clearly I am playing the game otherwise how would I be getting a gift car for 15 laps of you know where?

The limit on playimg it is down to the vastly superior one player aspects of the two Forza games and not because I don't want to play GTS. It just isn't worth more of my time.

 

[TonyJZX]

Do you mean that the expensive cars are useless because they doesn't have their own group, or because the pricing is making it nearly impossible to own or actually race them online? Or some other reason?

I would follow his line of reasoning if the Nostalgia 79 events didnt exist.

Further I feel that the Group Bs few people care to argue about given they cant be used in many useful ways.

I know people will say ignore events you cant reasonably compete in. I get it. Not everyone is me.

 

[Cerebral303]

They've stolen and eaten Polyphony's lunch in my opinion.

That made me chuckle. Maybe Forza have stolen the crisps and juice leaving Polyphony with just their plain boring but very realistic sandwich. Technically still a lunch, but no frills.

 

[George Jakob]

I would follow his line of reasoning if the Nostalgia 79 events didnt exist.

Further I feel that the Group Bs few people care to argue about given they cant be used in many useful ways.

With the big difference that Group B cars 1. Cost 44.4 times less 2. They have only 3 locations where they could realisticlly compete 3. You can get at least one for free and 4. They are much more likely to appear in the daily workout selection.

 

[Mark IV]

Or you know save money normally and buy it when you can?.

looks like you haven't play the first 4 GT's.

Do your math yourself. It doesnt matter if you save or not. You still need 53 races.

I did and their grind wasnt boring or mind numbing like Gt sport.

 

[George Jakob]

Do your math yourself. It doesnt matter if you save or not. You still need 53 races.

I did and their grind wasnt boring or mind numbing like Gt sport.

ill explain it this way lets say you do the BMB event 3 times per day with a N300 car (12 mins per race) you get 1.125.000 for 36 mins of driving with this rate you will need 18 days for 20.000.000 to get the MARK IV but you also have 18 chances of winning it. you can do that or save money at your own pace and get it in 2 months for example the end result will be the same so there is no resson to force yourself.

 

[FoRiZon]

The worst thing about all this is that all of the cars are from GT5-6.

I'll probably consider to be worth it if the car is all new on GT. Instead we got 20mil cars, all of it, that already appears in past 2 games before GTS.

Absolutely not worth a damn. The price should've depreciated by now.

 

[Mark IV]

ill explain it this way lets say you do the BMB event 3 times per day with a N300 car (12 mins per race) you get 1.125.000 for 36 mins of driving with this rate you will need 18 days for 20.000.000 to get the MARK IV but you also have 18 chances of winning it. you can do that or save money at your own pace and get it in 2 months for example the end result will be the same so there is no resson to force yourself.

You still didnt get the point. Game forces you to do that mind numbing offline race. Even if you only do one race per day you still forced to do at least one race per day. Good luck getting any 20M car just by playing sport mode or open lobies. So please defending the current system. You have no valid point.

 

[CBH]

You let your console do the job for you so i don't think you have any room to talk about this matter.

So bloody what, if my console helps me out sometimes with earning credits, and you can do that if you want. I mainly do the GT League races to win credits over 1 million in about an hour, and in about 20 days or less I will have 20 million credits and it is so bloody easy.

Another player moaning & groaning about the credits, and there is nothing wrong with the credits system.

 

[Knukel]

The worst thing about all this is that all of the cars are from GT5-6.

I'll probably consider to be worth it if the car is all new on GT. Instead we got 20mil cars, all of it, that already appears in past 2 games before GTS.

Absolutely not worth a damn. The price should've depreciated by now.

Wait until GT7 and it's your 4th time grinding for the same cars ... Sure if GTS was my first GT, i probably wouldn't mind.
P.S. IIRC you could transfer GT3 save from memory card to GT4, can't remember what was the advantage if doing so, credit boost(?). Oddly, there's no bonus for players coming from GT5/6 with max level and over 1000 cars.

 

[MatskiMonk]

Game forces you to do that mind numbing offline race

Objectively untrue. Doing one race as a grind is a players CHOICE, if you are unable to select any other event your game, playstation or controller is defective.

Currently you get at least 14.8 million for winning each GT League at least once. 20 million would be possible with clean race bonuses and slow car bonuses WITHOUT having to play any race more than once.

 

[George Jakob]

The worst thing about all this is that all of the cars are from GT5-6.

I'll probably consider to be worth it if the car is all new on GT. Instead we got 20mil cars, all of it, that already appears in past 2 games before GTS.

Absolutely not worth a damn. The price should've depreciated by now.

That logic is all kinds of wrong because its not about if the cars are featured in previous games its about thair history for example the mark IV won the le man 24 in 1967 so i beliave its price is justifyed.

You still didnt get the point. Game forces you to do that mind numbing offline race. Even if you only do one race per day you still forced to do at least one race per day. Good luck getting any 20M car just by playing sport mode or open lobies. So please defending the current system. You have no valid point.

I am not defeading the system as i said the system has huge issues but at the same time you can get these cars at your own pace .

So bloody what, if my console helps me out sometimes with earning credits, and you can do that if you want. I mainly do the GT League races to win credits over 1 million in about an hour, and in about 20 days or less I will have 20 million credits and it is so bloody easy.

Another player moaning & groaning about the credits, and there is nothing wrong with the credits system.

Thats like saying lootboxes are not bad because i don't need them
btw jokes on you i got all of em quicker by myself.

 

[Tired Tyres]

So bloody what, if my console helps me out sometimes with earning credits, and you can do that if you want. I mainly do the GT League races to win credits over 1 million in about an hour, and in about 20 days or less I will have 20 million credits and it is so bloody easy.

Another player moaning & groaning about the credits, and there is nothing wrong with the credits system.

The fact that you rubber band SHOWS you are holding an untenable position on this.

 

[George Jakob]

The fact that you rubber band SHOWS you are holding an untenable position on this.

GOD BLESS YOU.

 

[Mark IV]

Objectively untrue. Doing one race as a grind is a players CHOICE, if you are unable to select any other event your game, playstation or controller is defective.

Currently you get at least 14.8 million for winning each GT League at least once. 20 million would be possible with clean race bonuses and slow car bonuses WITHOUT having to play any race more than once.

I want every single content of the game. Im clearly forced to do a boring and mind numbing grind to get them. Its impossible to get them just by playing normally.

Yes IM FORCED.

 

[MatskiMonk]

Its impossible to get them just by playing normally.

This is factually false. You will get 20,000,000 credits by playing any game mode that offers payouts, and there are players here that have won them just by driving 27 miles in the game.

These factors mean it is not "impossible", and this..

I want

reflects that it is your decision to grind. The game is an inanimate entity, unless you pick up the controller and CHOOSE to play it. At which point you can CHOOSE if you want the 20,000,000 cars or not, and you CHOOSE what races to race in order to earn credits.

You are not forced to, you choose to.

edit: Just check my stats, I've earned 71,168,284 credits in game so far, and according to my log of GT League races, I've completed the Blue Moon PSL race once.

 

[George Jakob]

I want every single content of the game. Im clearly forced to do a boring and mind numbing grind to get them. Its impossible to get them just by playing normally.

Yes IM FORCED.

Impossible : Not able to occur exist or be done
Forced : Made against your wishes because it is suddendly made necessary or unexpected situation. None of the two apply here.

 

[Inferno251]

These issues largely tie in to the fact that since GT5 there has not been nearly enough racing events at launch. GT Sport as of now has 165 races over 40 events. By comparison GT4 had 556 races over 177 events, having segmented them into national events, manufacturer events and dirt/snow events (GT Sport offers little of this) whilst GT3 had 336 races over 85 events with some of the events copied over (like in GT Sport). GT6 has roughly 183 races over 60 events by further comparison, and GT5 has slightly less than that.
The lack of events is then compounded by the fact that there are now vehicles with little or no purpose to purchasing them as a result. GT3 had 336 races to cater for 140 cars, GT4 had 556 races to cater for 700+ cars and GT Sport has only 165 races to cater for 230+ cars (thought this is better than GT5 and GT6 that had to cater for 1000+ cars). This doesn't even take into account special vehicles or vehicles that can only partake in once-make races.

I have some ideas to to make economy much better. These are;

1. Increase the payouts of sport mode and open lobby races. Getting 3x more money from these races would also molarise people to play those modes more often.

Agreed, although 1.5x would be better, or at most 2x

2. Add a daily login bonus or give us credits bonus daily instead of a duplicate car.

The credit bonus I like, or a random prize would be better

3. Decrease the value of these extremely expensive cars at least by half. 10M would be much more managable to earn then 20M in the current economy system.

When you observe the fact that said vehicles are either one-offs or are historic in their own regard, it justifies the 20 million value. In fact I would argue that in some instances the prices aren't high enough for vehicles such as the Group C cars, the Mercedes/GT F1s (the F1s in older titles were much harder and more expensive to get), etc.

4. Seasonal events.

Agreed

5. Quick races just like in gt6 with huge payouts.

GT5 Prologue was the first game to have quick races and IMHO implemented them the best as there were loads of races and time trials catering to many vehicles (though it had to make up for there being no online lobby feature in that game). Even when in returned in GT6 via an update (GT5 didn't have it oddly enough) it had more events in GTSport
I would like to see it implemented like it was in GT5 prologue

Further ideas I would suggest:

• More offline races added per update (each update adds roughly 10-12 races), as well as championships, missions, etc. The more specific the better
• Add an option to randomise custom races
• Shuffle racing (a fan favourite back from GT5)
• Drift trials (bring these back)

N.B. Only after I finished typing did I see that he got banned

 

[CBH]

I want every single content of the game. Im clearly forced to do a boring and mind numbing grind to get them. Its impossible to get them just by playing normally.

Yes you can get the cars you want by playing normally, by winning races and it is not hard to do that. Remember it is a game and there is no need to get everythings in the game ASAP.

 

[MatskiMonk]

Drift trials (bring these back)

These exist in GT sport already.

GT Sport as of now has 165 races over 40 events.

Alongside this there are the Arcade mode races for each circuit layout. Interesting analysis in general though.

I'd suggest that the manufacturer events from GT4 have now effectively become the one make races in the Custom race mode.

 

[Woodybobs]

It's unreasonable to keep steering players towards a handful of high earning single player races in a game primarily focused on online racing. Payouts for Sport races should be significantly increased. Incentivise players to race clean by offering better prizes for higher Sr races. FIA championship races should have even bigger rewards. I can't see any reason why PD would want to encourage people to play offline.