Economy system is a piece of ****!

[MatskiMonk]

It's unreasonable to keep steering players towards a handful of high earning single player races in a game primarily focused on online racing. Payouts for Sport races should be significantly increased. Incentivise players to race clean by offering better prizes for higher Sr races. FIA championship races should have even bigger rewards. I can't see any reason why PD would want to encourage people to play offline.

As the number of sport mode players continues it's long gradual decline I could see PD incentivising players back to sport mode with higher payouts.

As for the reason, possibly because they know that the majority of people did not buy the game for sport mode.

 

[Woodybobs]

As for the reason, possibly because they know that the majority of people did not buy the game for sport mode.

The ability to earn offline would not be affected. People who play primarily online are the ones who lose out in the current system. Sport mode rewards should be on a par with offline rewards.

 

[MatskiMonk]

The ability to earn offline would not be affected. People who play primarily online are the ones who lose out in the current system. Sport mode rewards should be on a par with offline rewards.

I think I'd mis-read what you said a bit, but my general opinion was that the people that bought the game with sport mode in mind are perhaps less interested in the aspects of the game that makes the economy relevant, though I totally agree, that's no reason to underpay in sport mode.

 

[ExoticMachines]

Isn't this thread suppose to be in the Crying and Bitching thread?

 

[Djuvinile]

in sport mode everyone should just have all cars free to play like sims do.... keep the rewarding system for career or other modes, but if you compete online (or e-sport) everyone should have the possibility to drive exactly the same cars

 

[MatskiMonk]

in sport mode everyone should just have all cars free to play like sims do.... keep the rewarding system for career or other modes, but if you compete online (or e-sport) everyone should have the possibility to drive exactly the same cars

Isn't that what manufacturer contracts do, give people free cars to use?

(I don't know, I've not touched that aspect since my first day with the game)

 

[George Jakob]

Quite confusing that in a "on-line racing sim" you have to play offline to get credits and buy cars... Thats the point some of us are trying trying to make you don't need or at the worst scenario you need to play offline just a tiny bit to obtain 99% of the cars.

I really dont get the guys defending broken and poor economics in games.
Of course we have to live with it, but games nowadays can patch everything with ease. So why not make PD aware of their flaws and maybe, if we're loud and clear enough, they fix it in some way!?
It's just a discussion to help the game get better...
So, why cant we do this without the typical "if you dont like it, dont play it" respond types!? Those Baby answers wont help anyone.

Edit:
Btw, the money and mileage system is one of the reasons I dont play this game anymore.
I'm at rank43 with tons of duplicate cars I cant sell and still without a single 15M+ car, so I cant even do the Nostalgic races.
I also will never run the money race, because that kind of grinding is just plain stupid to me. And sport mode is useless for cash and also butchered from PD (weekly races and poor track/car/penalty choices)

I always was a collector in previous GT games, but in GTS? Wont happen...

The
thing is the system is not broken (its problematic yes but not broken) as you can obtain all the cars you are going to need with ease.

The most expensive cars should have a constant drop rate regardless of the increasing volume of cars. Currently it just feels like my odds are diminishing with every month's increase in cars.

You can say that again i lost the 330 P4 5 TIMES!

When I was nearing $20 million, I had a choice to mak about where to spend that money: On single one car or many less expensive ones.

Oh there is a third option: Buy the cheap cars in the Playstation Store for real money and that way I can also get a $20 million car.

So effectively they’re selling you time savers like some Free 2 Play mobile game

exept they don't

Oh also a reminder:

A Shelby Cobra Daytona in Gran Turismo 6 costs 4.5 Million Cr.

In GTSport its 3.4x the cost of above.

Please defend that.

It was underpriced but now i think its a bit overpriced.

Because this is GT Planet, one of the most toxic communities out there. And I thought the CoD community was bad...

To be completly honest i had that fear but all i got was support and harsh but needed critisism im very sorry if you had a toxic experiance.

It's unreasonable to keep steering players towards a handful of high earning single player races in a game primarily focused on online racing. Payouts for Sport races should be significantly increased. Incentivise players to race clean by offering better prizes for higher Sr races. FIA championship races should have even bigger rewards. I can't see any reason why PD would want to encourage people to play offline.

Thats the thing MARK IV failed to understand and now he is sadly banned the game dosen't steer you towords anything.

 

[Woodybobs]

@George Jakob If one wants the unicorn cars there is no doubt that playing offline is the best way to obtain them. That is an example of the game steering players towards offline play.

 

[George Jakob]

@George Jakob If one wants the unicorn cars there is no doubt that playing offline is the best way to obtain them. That is an example of the game steering players towards offline play.

i somewhat disagree but fair enough.

 

[Woodybobs]

i somewhat disagree but fair enough.

I respect your right to disagree but I'm confused as to what you are disagreeing with. You don't think that I provided an example of the game steering people towards offline play?

 

[George Jakob]

I respect you're right to disagree but I'm confused as to what you are disagreeing with. You don't think that I provided an example of the game steering people towards offline play?

i Disagree with the way you said it because by saying steering it seems PD or any other company for that mater is pricing these cars so much on purpose .

 

[Woodybobs]

i Disagree with the way you said it because by saying steering it seems PD or any other company for that mater is pricing these cars so much on purpose .

Ah, ok. I don't know if it's a conscious decision by PD or not but the result is the same. What I do know is that winning the BMB race with bonuses is far easier than finishing top half in a Sport race irrespective of a person's skill level. I know this because I did roughly 120 races at Dr D with little to show for it, while at the same time collecting easy wins in the X-Bow.

IMO payouts in Sport mode should be increased to reflect this. I think a top half finish in a Sport race should net around the same cr/ph as winning the BMB event (increasing as one finishes closer to the front). FIA Championship races should net double (or more?) to acknowledge the practise time needed to do well in these.

 

[RacingFan1]

Hi there.

I know a race which you earn 240.000cr in roughly 7 minutes (clean). Its the Nostalgic 1979 - Race 2 (La Sarthe)

so its 7 x 4 = 28 or about half an hour, you earn 1 million credits a day, plus anything you earn doing other races in Sports mode or whatever.
So its about 30-31 million each month, do the maths and you can get those cars in relatively low time.

You only need one of those classic race cars that cost a lot of millions (thats the downside). Fortunately I got gifted one, the Jaguar XJ13, thats the one I use.

So my suggestion is you save money for one of those, and then you can earn money relatively quickly.
And please, have fun with the game, people should not become obsessed to have all cars.

 

[Knukel]

1. You only need one of those classic race cars that cost a lot of millions (thats the downside). Fortunately I got gifted one, the Jaguar XJ13, thats the one I use.

I wouldn't mind doing the 'daily marathon reward grind' with one of the classic cars, but i'm too unlucky to have one in the first place, like so many others. Anyway, now after well beyond 180 logged days, i quess i'll just try to continue getting my first unicorn car first.

P.S. I don't know what the "1." stands for, i can't remove it...

 

[SleezyBigSlim]

GT has always been about the cars its a game for gear heads. When none of the GT League or Sport races are good for the car I want to use I set up my own race in custom race mode. You get the equivalent of GT League races doing that. True car nuts don't get tired of this game ever . My only real complaint with priorGT games is they never gave us a reason to use all those cars. In GT Sport it's set up to where you're able to competively race with all the cars in the entire game. I can set up just about any scenario in custom race mode

 

[weazelgt]

Seriously who designed such awfull economy design? Gt sport is clearly focused on online modes like sport mode and open lobies but their prizes are nearly nonexistent compared to gt league. You want mark 4? Sure all you need to do is only 53 premium lounge blue moon race and all of them has to be with n300 car plus clean race. How the hell im suppose to focus online modes if gt sport FORCES me to play boring, unexcited and time wasting offline races over and over again to actually earn something?

There are no Gran Turismo game that forces to play a single race over and over again to earn something except the Gt sport. In Gt5 and Gt6 quick races, daily login bonuses and seasonal events were allow you to earn huge amount of cash. Not the case in Gt sport ofc.

I have some ideas to to make economy much better. These are;

1. Increase the payouts of sport mode and open lobby races. Getting 3x more money from these races would also molarise people to play those modes more often.

2. Add a daily login bonus or give us credits bonus daily instead of a duplicate car.

3. Decrease the value of these extremely expensive cars at least by half. 10M would be much more managable to earn then 20M in the current economy system.

4. Seasonal events.

5. Quick races just like in gt6 with huge payouts.

Pd Im pretty sure this is not a very hard thing to fix. Just do one thing above there and everyone will be much happier.

This game sucks, wish I could get my money back

 

[BigJimmy]

This game sucks, wish I could get my money back

You can get rid of them.

 

[Saksocu]

people should not become obsessed to have all cars.

They paid the price of the game therefore they have rights to want every car in the game.

 

[Humphrey]

I completely agree with the OP, I'm a 'mature' gamer with a home and tiny human to maintain, yet even with 224 days logged to try my luck on the wheel of misfortune, 20,000 miles (32,300 kms) covered. Payouts are dreadful.

GT5 had seasonal events like Nascar & Nurb events that paid out millions of credits.

I've bought cars along my GTS 'career' that I need or want, the most expensive car I've bought being the original Gt40, and the most expensive I've won on the DWG was the Merc F1.

I've ground, grinded.... done some grinding (this is a family site)... anyway, at Blue Moon in my Gt40 a handful or so times, but I'm not prepared to do more, as 1) it aint fun, 2) I have a life and home to maintain

I'm online with a cohort of racers when I can, once or twice a week maybe, and I try my hand at the dailies (208 so far)... yet I've only accrued a total of Cr28.5m, with about Cr13.5m in the bank.

I'm prepared to earn, within reason or be lucky enough (that's a joke) to win on the DWG, but forcing players to grind, to be able to race with some of the most iconic cars in existence.... nah, that isn't gaming.

Gaming should equal fun.
Online is fun, dailies are fun...
Grinding, unless it's with Beyonce or a Kardashian, just is not.

(Oh and I was gifted a chromeline Jag XJ13 through Facebook, a Cr20m car in GT5)

 

[RacingFan1]

They paid the price of the game therefore they have rights to want every car in the game.

Never said otherwise.... My suggestion is that dont become obsessed to get them, dont grind like mad, you will get them eventually.

 

[Saksocu]

Never said otherwise.... My suggestion is that dont become obsessed to get them, dont grind like mad, you will get them eventually.

You wont get them eventually. If you dont grind mad you dont get those cars eventually because of the awfull payout of sport races and open lobbies. You have to do boring offline races over and over again to get those cars. Otherwise you can only get them in your dreams.

 

[CBH]

but forcing players to grind

If you do not grind for Credits, well you are not going to get that car you want are you, so just play the game by earning credits that's all you can do and it is so easy. Remember you do not need to get all the cars that you want in 5 minutes.

The players that moan & groan about the credits in the game, they want everything in by a click of a finger, and it does not work that way.

 

[Saksocu]

If you do not grind for Credits, well you are not going to get that car you want are you, so just play the game by earning credits that's all you can do and it is so EASY. Remember you do not need to get all the cars that you want in 5 minutes.

The players that moan & groan about the credits in the game, they want everything in by a click of a finger, and it does not work that way.

Yes 53 mind numbing and boring offline race against garbage AI is easy.

Rubbish as usual.

 

[VeeDoubleU]

If you do not grind for Credits, well you are not going to get that car you want are you, so just play the game by earning credits that's all you can do and it is so easy. Remember you do not need to get all the cars that you want in 5 minutes.

The players that moan & groan about the credits in the game, they want everything in by a click of a finger, and it does not work that way.

I've asked you many times and you never respond.

Do you agree that the higher amounts of credits should come from the more challenging aspects of the game, a.k.a sport mode, FIA Races etc, rather than things such as Nostalgia 1979 events and Blue Moon Bay event?

 

[MatskiMonk]

You wont get them eventually. If you dont grind mad you dont get those cars eventually because of the awfull payout of sport races and open lobbies. You have to do boring offline races over and over again to get those cars. Otherwise you can only get them in your dreams.

As I've said in this thread before, winning every GT League race once will get you most of the way to 20,000,000. It may get you all the way there if you're good.

Yes 53 mind numbing and boring offline race against garbage AI is easy.

Rubbish as usual.

There's something awfully familiar about all this.

 

[Saksocu]

As I've said in this thread before, winning every GT League race once will get you most of the way to 20,000,000. It may get you all the way there if you're good.

How about the other cars? They dont became free after you complete all gt league races.

There's something awfully familiar about all this.

And your logic belongs too.

 

[Tired Tyres]

As I've said in this thread before, winning every GT League race once will get you most of the way to 20,000,000. It may get you all the way there if you're good.

There are three cars at 20 million, another at 15 million and another at 10 million. Does it earn you enough for them all?

 

[Woodybobs]

The players that moan & groan about the credits in the game, they want everything in by a click of a finger, and it does not work that way.

You could make the same argument if the max payout was 1cr and the unicorn cars remained the same price. It's wrong to assume everyone moaning and groaning wants everything at the click of a finger. Many people simply want other viable ways to earn credits. In an online focused game it makes sense to reward players for playing online. You are entitled to your opinion on the matter but that little soundbite you keep spitting out is a lazy argument with little evidence to support it.

 

[rono_thomas]

The players that moan & groan about the credits in the game, they want everything in by a click of a finger, and it does not work that way.

A sweeping statement thats not true, again.

As Im after equality between offline and online credit payouts how about offline gets cut to the level of online?

 

[rallymorten]

moan & groan about the credits

moaning & groaning about the credits

moan & groan about the credits

..is that your new catchphrase or is it just the extent of your vocabulary? Given that that's all you seem to be able to say, I'm genuinely wondering.

You still haven't answered any of this, by the way. I'm sure most of us would appreciate it if you would stop "moaning and groaning" for just a second and actually answer these few, simple questions:

1. Then how would you describe the system Sport's got going for it, mr. so-called I've-never-resorted-to-grinding-because-it's-a-perfectly-balanced-experience-as-it-is?
2. 1 million a day = three full weeks per car. That's reasonable for one car, is it?
3. What reason is there to *not* get them (cars) quickly? And if you answer something that can be summed up as "sense of pride and accomplishment", I consider that you knowing you're talking out of a body part that can't usually talk.
4. (This is a very philosophical and pertinent question I expect you to answer - same deal as with "pride and accomplishment" above), if you're leaving the game running to make money on its own by virtue of a well-placed rubber band, are you actually playing it? And yes, there is an objectively correct answer to this.
5. So you want them to make the game as grindy as possible for what exact reason? What, if anything, does it actually *add* to the game, to lock cars - virtual cars in a piece of entertainment media I bought for $60 - behind a ludicrously long grind period?