Eminem: As bad as 50 cent

[Swift]

One could argue that 50 cent is more talented than because he has managed to make his chosen genre one of the most succesful in the world whilst rock isnt.

So, because he picked the genre that happens to be the biggest in the world at the time, that gives him talent? Man, it's like you're trying to hold water in a colender.

 

[F1GTR]

One could argue that 50 cent is more talented than because he has managed to make his chosen genre one of the most succesful in the world whilst rock isnt.

It's every rapper's dream to come up with something like Kashmir by Led Zeppelin. P Diddy had to BEG to cover it but he still couldn't change much of it.

 

[Young_Warrior]

I said one could argue. I never said thats what I thought. However he has helped to build it into what it is now. Hes only like the 3rd or 4th rap superstar to grace the earth.

Perhaps I should have said that one could argue hes more talented because no rock group comes close to his number of records that he sells.

 

[Danoff]

It is like art. the most detailed isnt the best but instead the one which appeals most to the public and creates some kind of emotion inside them that they enjoy.

Rap music mainly makes people laugh and dance. And so its puprose is fulfilled and rap music is good. It does what it says.

That doesn't make it music though. People will dance to a single drum hammering out a constant beat. Does that make it music? That people dance to it is insufficient for me. That people laugh at it is also insufficient. That it stirrs emotion or that the enjoy it does not make it music. The tune is what makes it music - and rap has none.

Now I'm not saying that R&B isn't music. That's different. Lots of music includes some rap. The Chili Peppers for example use rap. But the tune is what differentiates it.

To be music it has to hit notes. It has to have a tune. Without one it is some other form of entertainment.

How can you compare a rapper and the kind of entertainment he brings with a guitarist or a singer or a pianist? It's too different. Rappers shouldn't be ashamed that they aren't musicians - they should embrace it.

 

[Young_Warrior]

It's every rapper's dream to come up with something like Kashmir by Led Zeppelin. P Diddy had to BEG to cover it but he still couldn't change much of it.

P.diddy is probably the only rapper that has heard of a song called kashmir.

Didnt limp bizkit ask JayZ to come do a project with them?

See it works both ways.

 

[Young_Warrior]

That doesn't make it music though. People will dance to a single drum hammering out a constant beat. Does that make it music? That people dance to it is insufficient for me. That people laugh at it is also insufficient. That it stirrs emotion or that the enjoy it does not make it music. The tune is what makes it music - and rap has none.

Now I'm not saying that R&B isn't music. That's different. Lots of music includes some rap. The Chili Peppers for example has some rap in it. But the tune is what differentiates it.

To be music it has to hit notes. It has to have a tune. Without one it is some other form of entertainment.

How can you compare a rapper and the kind of entertainment he brings with a guitarist or a singer or a pianist? It's too different. Rappers shouldn't be ashamed that they aren't musicians - they should embrace it.

Ok just stop now this is redicoulise. I can go beat my stomach and heads and make a little beat with it and thats still music.

 

[F1GTR]

P.diddy is probably the only rapper that has heard of a song called kashmir.

Didnt limp bizkit ask JayZ to come do a project with them?

See it works both ways.

You've probably heard that song at least once in your life.

Many artists have been influenced by Rock in one way or another.

And I think it was Linkin Park who asked Jay Z. Crappy band anyway .

 

[Young_Warrior]

You've probably heard that song at least once in your life.

Many artists have been influenced by Rock in one way or another.

And I think it was Linkin Park who asked Jay Z. Crappy band anyway .

Do you guys know how rock originated. It has strong roots to hip hop, rnb and rap even though they sound so differently

 

[F1GTR]

Do you guys know how rock originated. It has strong roots to hip hop, rnb and rap even though they sound so differently

Yes. Rock originated from black slaves or was that blues?. Also, R n B was waaaay different to what it is now.

 

[Dave A]

Rock originated before hip hop, it included elements of black guitar accompanied blues, black rhythm and blues, black and white gospel music, white country and western music amongst others.

 

[James2097]

One could argue that 50 cent is more talented than because he has managed to make his chosen genre one of the most succesful in the world whilst rock isnt.

Did you miss the last 40 or 50 so years? Rock and Roll isn't big? WTF? You don't know much about music in general do you?
BTW rap was huge before 50 cent had anything to do with it.

Ditto

Erm, no. There is precisely ONE person who isn't making sense here.

So you say a music specialist would laugh at my opinon well who exactly made them the boss to decide whats good and what isnt?

Its not a democracy and at the end of the day people choose and sales speak alot more than some toffy nosed man born in the 60's.

Its simply a fact that Hendrix changed pop/rock/blues/soul/funk/etc music forever and influenced every genre to follow. To say he didn't, or not acknowledge his impact is like saying history didn't happen, which clearly did. You need a history lesson big time mate.

BTW, standards are LOWERED with time. Pop music is even more about image these days than musical skill or intelligent lyrical content. You are so ignorant and closed off in your own little world its just funny.

 

[Swift]

I would contend that all popular American music came from negro spirituals and gospel music.

 

[Young_Warrior]

Rock and roll used to be the biggest genre I belive. But those days are long over darlin. And rap was big before 50 cent. Then died down a little and then became big than ever before even though there are alot of useless people out there.

So hendrix and hendrix alone changed music. What aboiut the isley james brown MJ and bob marley?

 

[Dave A]

Yeah, but Rock didn't come from Rap or Hip hop.

 

[Young_Warrior]

but rock was what rap was in the 80's

 

[svtsnake]

I used to be an MC. Write own lyrics and attempted to produce songs in studios. It was hard I wasnt good at it so I quit.

HAHAHAAH
this i find hard to believe, arent you like 15?
💡

anyways aside from swinging off 50's nuts, try listening to some what his enemies say about him, his street cred is totally gone, you living in the uk i dont find it a suprise you THINK hes a genuis, here in the states where hes FROM is getting less and less popular, pretty soon he will be phased out. he will never be a tupac, big, jay or even nas.
he talks about ja rule making popcorn hits, well look what hes come out with.
face it kid you are the only person on this board that THINKS hes a genius.

 

[Dave A]

but rock was what rap was in the 80's

In what way, thats a pretty vague comment. Rock was around before my dad was borne, Rap wasn't, beither was Hip hop.

 

[Young_Warrior]

17 and dpending on where you live you get free recording time by the council

 

[Swift]

Yeah, but Rock didn't come from Rap or Hip hop.

Every major form of AMERICAN music came from blues.

 

[Dave A]

Which has nothing to do with what I said, Y_W said rock came from hip hop, it didn't.

EDIT: never mind he didn't actually say that, I just read it like that the first time.

 

[Blackbird.]

Proof. (Swift)

 

[Saleen Man]

Classical music started it all.

 

[Blackbird.]

Yeah right.

 

[Dave A]

Classical music started it all.

No there was singing and music before piano's were invented which was the beginning of classical, but none of where this is heading is of any benefit or relevancee to the thread.

 

[Swift]

Proof. (Swift)

Remember, I'm talking American only here.

Spiritual/Negro spiritual->Blues-> and from here it starts to split into Jazz, Rock, and R & B.

I'm not saying any one people is responsible for American music, just where it all started.

L4S: No argument here.

 

[Blackbird.]

I don't think it's that way. Some day someone started rock with a different way of playing the guitar and such. It doesn't have to come off of anything.

 

[Dave A]

And thats very true, you can go further back to where the blues come from, but thats of no relevance here since it's the origins of Hip hip and Rock being discussed.

L4S: No argument here.

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[Blackbird.]

L4S: No argument here.

Don't get me wrong I appreciate classical music just don't like to listen to it. Like I think the music in the very start of GT4's introduction video I really liked. Orchestras sound beautiful.

 

[James2097]

Rock and roll used to be the biggest genre I belive. But those days are long over darlin. And rap was big before 50 cent. Then died down a little and then became big than ever before even though there are alot of useless people out there.

So hendrix and hendrix alone changed music. What aboiut the isley james brown MJ and bob marley?

Don't even pretend to know about music and how it evolved. Very embarrassing for you.

Some form of "rock and roll" (including all popular bands with some or all of drums, bass, guitar, keyboards as part of the ensemble) has always been the biggest genre of popular music in the world since about the 1950's. Rock (including all varieties - ballads, soft, hard, real heavy, metal, nu metal etc) is still huge in America, just turn on a different radio station than the rap or country one. You only hear rap because thats what you surround yourself with! Rap is predominantly only HUGE in America, and to some extent the UK. For instance, there is NO rap at all at the Australian popular music awards. Its all rock and other kinds of pop songs (still technically rock 'n' roll).

I never said Hendrix alone changed music. I said he was a huge talent and was one of the great influential figures in the history of popular music.
Surely this is some kind of record for how thick you can be?

 

[Swift]

I think it's that way. Some day someone started rock with a different way of playing the guitar and such. It doesn't have to come off of anything.

Well, yeah. But where did they get playing the guitar from in the first place? Look at Elvis. The man had talent, but he wasn't very revolutionary as far as music goes.

So there were some people that enjoyed the guitar in blues but wanted to be original. So another style of music was born, but it's roots were in a previous form. It doesn't make the artist less original, just that they benifited from others before them.