***Euro GT500 Championship***RACE 4***Thread Closing***
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XaNoR
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All the people that join the tour says its the most fun they've ever had in GT5!!!
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- Bigadz83
Okay, here is my opinion on the Z, as I have driven it quite a bit now. First of all consider a 2pp adjustment, this equates to about 10hp which is very little in a 500hp car.
At TM I simply could not stay with the Lexus down the straight even with a slipstream I know there are many factors to consider but the Lexus was able to carry roughly 30hp more and the GTR maybe 25hp. Yes the Z has more torque but this has minimal gains as there are so few corners in the season where you have this advantage.
Testing with 619pp at Tokyo probably gave me 0.2 gain over the lap. My best after quite a few laps now is 1.32.893. I invite other people to test the Z to compare times. On the straight even with 619pp the Z is still slightly slower than the GTR and NSX. This is because the powerband tails off and the Z has poor drag fundamentally.
I have had some okay results just because I have kept it on the black stuff even when the pace isn't there. In Fuji the reason I was quick was because I added ballast to get enough power to stay in the slipstream. I understand your points Johan I just think it might need looking at a bit more. The proof is in the lap times ultimately.👍
At TM I simply could not stay with the Lexus down the straight even with a slipstream I know there are many factors to consider but the Lexus was able to carry roughly 30hp more and the GTR maybe 25hp. Yes the Z has more torque but this has minimal gains as there are so few corners in the season where you have this advantage.
Testing with 619pp at Tokyo probably gave me 0.2 gain over the lap. My best after quite a few laps now is 1.32.893. I invite other people to test the Z to compare times. On the straight even with 619pp the Z is still slightly slower than the GTR and NSX. This is because the powerband tails off and the Z has poor drag fundamentally.
I have had some okay results just because I have kept it on the black stuff even when the pace isn't there. In Fuji the reason I was quick was because I added ballast to get enough power to stay in the slipstream. I understand your points Johan I just think it might need looking at a bit more. The proof is in the lap times ultimately.👍
This is to all drivers,check your speed coming out of the corner,thats very important.Thats more important than speed in the straight (in the race).I dont setup my car depending on fast lap,i do it for the race (tire wear and slipstream).I'll say without testing all of the cars that they are equal and it just depends on driver and setup.
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- Bigadz83
Lexuses are cars i dont have tested,nsx i would have choosed but all have been taken already.What comes to lexuses,all cars have their pros and cons,you just have to use them properly.I am using gtr's cornering and tire wear ability quite good atm.I could be more faster with gtr if my rear tires would wear more consistant with my front tires and thats a failure with my setup.We all are fast drivers but setup does more than you can even think.
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- GTF_Apollo
Here's my 2 cents.
All these cars can go around corners as fast as each other just with different levels of diffuculty.
NSX being the hardest on bumpy tracks or corners with alot of camber.
The other 3 models are similar.
As for PP adjustment i don't think You can't adjust PP for cornering as cornering mainly comes down to the ability of the driver driving that particualr car .
What we can adjust tho is PP relative to Straight line pull.
The lexus is clearly the stongest in a straight line.
I find it hard to slipstream against that car and it has the best acceleration out of corners as was evident going up the hill at Laguna where it destroyed everything.
The Nizmo Z is the worst in a straight line it needs more power.
Even if you can do a fast lap in the car you are going to get slipstreamed on every straight wich makes it hard.
The Nsx is quick but is hard to drive.
The GTR is the best all rounder.
So.
Lexus -2pp
Nizmo Z +2pp
NSX +2PP
GTR 0
I dunno if that makes sense but thats what i think.
Peace
All these cars can go around corners as fast as each other just with different levels of diffuculty.
NSX being the hardest on bumpy tracks or corners with alot of camber.
The other 3 models are similar.
As for PP adjustment i don't think You can't adjust PP for cornering as cornering mainly comes down to the ability of the driver driving that particualr car .
What we can adjust tho is PP relative to Straight line pull.
The lexus is clearly the stongest in a straight line.
I find it hard to slipstream against that car and it has the best acceleration out of corners as was evident going up the hill at Laguna where it destroyed everything.
The Nizmo Z is the worst in a straight line it needs more power.
Even if you can do a fast lap in the car you are going to get slipstreamed on every straight wich makes it hard.
The Nsx is quick but is hard to drive.
The GTR is the best all rounder.
So.
Lexus -2pp
Nizmo Z +2pp
NSX +2PP
GTR 0
I dunno if that makes sense but thats what i think.
Peace
- 160
- Diesel-Zee
agree with apollo.....think alot of ppl are sayin the same thing on the pp.
in another champ i used the Epson NSX where everyone had 552bhp, and i put it on pole every race bar 1, so i know the car has pace, just 605 is a bit hard.....
the only thing i dont agree with yet is the Z....Adz puttin ballest on is redic....u had to brake, accel n steer that extra weight n the hp u get for it is pants......u only need to check ur power to weight to see its a cack idea.
like to know ur transmission set ups coz maybe ur not setting the car up to have u in the power band for the length of the straight....
mayb ur Z needs some TLC (a wash, oil change, engine rebuild n body regidity)
in another champ i used the Epson NSX where everyone had 552bhp, and i put it on pole every race bar 1, so i know the car has pace, just 605 is a bit hard.....
the only thing i dont agree with yet is the Z....Adz puttin ballest on is redic....u had to brake, accel n steer that extra weight n the hp u get for it is pants......u only need to check ur power to weight to see its a cack idea.
like to know ur transmission set ups coz maybe ur not setting the car up to have u in the power band for the length of the straight....
mayb ur Z needs some TLC (a wash, oil change, engine rebuild n body regidity)
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- Bigadz83
Diesel, that was the best solution, sacrifice a little on the corners to have the power to stay in the slipstream, acceleration is barely affected because of the torque. So its not ridiculous when you think about it because of the long long straight at Fuji there is time to be gained this way.
The power band is in the lower to mid range (default turbo) so its pretty straightforward staying in the band, you just don't take it to high rpm.
I'm only talking about a few hp change here, which is the same people are asking for the NSX.
Btw I think the PP system is almost spot on, just a tweak of 1 point here and there and it should be sorted, nothing drastic.
I do all the maintenance before each race, I have a couple of Z's now as well:tup:
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- C-Falcon89
I haven't voted in the poll, but I might test the lexus before the new season
XaNoR
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I might as well withdraw from the championship and you guys won't have something to discuss any more? Glutinous practised over 200 laps before TM with the Lexus Petronas and he came 8th or 9th i think. Senna came last with the Lexus due to not practising enough.
I came 3rd JUST BECAUSE my car has WAAAY to much PP. It has absolutely nothing to do with me driving more than 500 laps @ TM and the race @ Laguna Seca had nothing to do with the fact that me and Max practised more than 500 laps there either. IT's all down to the car!!!
You must consider Max's GT-R must have like 10PP to much also! He was .300 faster than me @ TM. Must have been the car as well since the only guy that knows how to drive in this championship is Peltonen or?
So my conclusion is this. I suck as a driver and that is what you guys are trying to point out here. I should'nt be able to drive as fast as I can but since I have the AWESOME Lexus Petronas im getting the boost needed to raise my worthless driving.
Why did'nt you guys choose the Lexus in the first place since it's an AWESOME car. I mean Bigadz, Falcon, Diesel, xsApollo you would just kill the competition in the series if you had the Lexus instead of the crappy cars you choose in the first place right? Or am I wrong?
Anyways im outta here. See if I come back at all. I lost all ignition to race in this series now. (Im not drunk nor do I have a hang over, just so tired of people that can't face the fact that practise gives you result).
Another thing just came to my mind -> In the Euro RM series we all use the same car but I somehow managed to tamper with mine so I got 3 2nd places in a row...
I came 3rd JUST BECAUSE my car has WAAAY to much PP. It has absolutely nothing to do with me driving more than 500 laps @ TM and the race @ Laguna Seca had nothing to do with the fact that me and Max practised more than 500 laps there either. IT's all down to the car!!!
You must consider Max's GT-R must have like 10PP to much also! He was .300 faster than me @ TM. Must have been the car as well since the only guy that knows how to drive in this championship is Peltonen or?
So my conclusion is this. I suck as a driver and that is what you guys are trying to point out here. I should'nt be able to drive as fast as I can but since I have the AWESOME Lexus Petronas im getting the boost needed to raise my worthless driving.
Why did'nt you guys choose the Lexus in the first place since it's an AWESOME car. I mean Bigadz, Falcon, Diesel, xsApollo you would just kill the competition in the series if you had the Lexus instead of the crappy cars you choose in the first place right? Or am I wrong?
Anyways im outta here. See if I come back at all. I lost all ignition to race in this series now. (Im not drunk nor do I have a hang over, just so tired of people that can't face the fact that practise gives you result).
Another thing just came to my mind -> In the Euro RM series we all use the same car but I somehow managed to tamper with mine so I got 3 2nd places in a row...
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- Diesel-Zee
not over-reacting slighty? yea obv u practicing has but u in a strong position in the champ.
ppl arent disscussing this for the benefit of giving themselves an advantage over the other cars just simply tryin to be open about how we can make the racing closer.
why would i keep sayin giv the NSX more pp?
just tryin to balance things out, n find out wat justifies the Lexus having more HP.
im on gt5 atm grindin cash to get a lexus, n why ive tried ill give my honest feedback.
ur entiled to ur opinion also, and if u say u set the same times with a gt-r as a lexus then obv ppl will look at that
ppl arent disscussing this for the benefit of giving themselves an advantage over the other cars just simply tryin to be open about how we can make the racing closer.
why would i keep sayin giv the NSX more pp?
just tryin to balance things out, n find out wat justifies the Lexus having more HP.
im on gt5 atm grindin cash to get a lexus, n why ive tried ill give my honest feedback.
ur entiled to ur opinion also, and if u say u set the same times with a gt-r as a lexus then obv ppl will look at that
XaNoR
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Nope im not over-reacting. Since im the only Lexus driver in the top 10 I think this discussion about lowering the PP is directly pointed to me.
BTW. Glitterus is 2nd in the championship with the NSX...
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- Diesel-Zee
ultimately one car will av a advantage over the other cars, thats a fact. and we're not sayin that that car should b the gt-r either.
if the lexus is .2 or so faster id say leave it roughly as is
if its .5 quicker ud av to agree thats a lil bit too much?
dont lose ur head yet anyway.....looks like ppl are testin it today n im sure they'll b honest about it
if the lexus is .2 or so faster id say leave it roughly as is
if its .5 quicker ud av to agree thats a lil bit too much?
dont lose ur head yet anyway.....looks like ppl are testin it today n im sure they'll b honest about it
XaNoR
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But it is'nt 0.500 faster! Eppe drove the GT-R 0.500 faster than the Lexus (we practised as much) and Peltoalien drove 0.2 faster than Eppe so in that case the Calsonic has way to many PP as well...
How come Glutinous and Senna came 8th or 9th and last with the Lexus if it such a superior car?
Conclusion yet again -> The discussion is pointed at me...
But I don't give a s h i t anymore because im planning on retiring my racing in this series.
How come Glutinous and Senna came 8th or 9th and last with the Lexus if it such a superior car?
Conclusion yet again -> The discussion is pointed at me...
But I don't give a s h i t anymore because im planning on retiring my racing in this series.
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- Diesel-Zee
well u wouldnt wanna drop out that would be silly.
its not pointed at u, me n johnk were both refrencing TM and u weren't even in our race.
wat we were alluding to is that me, him n nissman were near identical on suzuka with the same car, but .5 off against the lexus in TM.
obv that could b driver, but we also know it has more hp, so were askin if thats ok, simple
its not pointed at u, me n johnk were both refrencing TM and u weren't even in our race.
wat we were alluding to is that me, him n nissman were near identical on suzuka with the same car, but .5 off against the lexus in TM.
obv that could b driver, but we also know it has more hp, so were askin if thats ok, simple
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- Diesel-Zee
anyway, just chill out, ive got a spare horn 93, i can sent u to cheer u up
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- Diesel-Zee
now ur comparing aliens to humans......... anyway, wont comment further till ive seen the car
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- NissmanR34
Pfff....👎
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John is always very fast at Suzuka and if you knew me better you would now that I'm always very fast at Trial Mountian. Thats a fact.
In my event the only track that I'm faster in 1 lap than my super fast teammate GTP_Rutter200 is Trial Mountian. John didnt lose 0.5 becouse of the car but becouse I just simply drive faster here.
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- Bigadz83
Rickie I wasn't meaning to offend you mate, I know you are a quick guy. 👍 I just thought the Z couple do with a couple of hp, not that the Lexus was too fast.
RamoSapiens
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- GTF_Max
Hey Ho!
Whats up Guys? I see the PP debat goin hot here.
1 more time. We just want to make all the cars attractive.👍 Thats why we discuss these PP´s.
At the moment poll result is showing that we go with
only GT-R´s and Lexuses after race 5.
Is it that what we want?
Would a few people pick maybe the Z and the NSX if
We gave them 2 PP´s more?
BTW: I have the mother of all hangovers....
I just want pizza and wanna get laid every 5 minute....
(I feel sorry for my poor Wife).
Whats up Guys? I see the PP debat goin hot here.
1 more time. We just want to make all the cars attractive.👍 Thats why we discuss these PP´s.
At the moment poll result is showing that we go with
only GT-R´s and Lexuses after race 5.
Is it that what we want?
Would a few people pick maybe the Z and the NSX if
We gave them 2 PP´s more?
BTW: I have the mother of all hangovers....
I just want pizza and wanna get laid every 5 minute....
(I feel sorry for my poor Wife).
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- johnkiller2
I raced a lot with Nissman in his series. At TM two weeks ago I was nearly one second slower than him, both in GT-Rs. He is typically clearly faster than me and the few times I've beaten him is when he got his tyre strategy wrong.
The only exception is Suzuka. Its my tuning track and I know it better than any other track. I guess Suzuka is for me what TM might be for Niss.
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- johnkiller2
This is a true statement and it will always be the case. Picking the right car for the championship is part of the championship itself, perhaps the most important step so everybody should do their homework. If someone feels he picked the wrong car he can only blame himself and there are absolutely no excuses. Everybody had the same options, nobody got forced to use a specific car, and it holds no credit to cry afterwards.
We have said we will do a PP adjustment after five races, mid season, where people also will be allowed to change cars. We should appoint a group of people to do necessary testing. New PPs must be based on facts rather than peoples gut feel. The result and new PPs should be communicated to all well in advance before race six so all have the chance to make a well informed car decision.
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