Europe - The Official Thread
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@Dotini I think you can give me that $1 USD now... 
Greece's capitulation/humiliation is almost complete... it just remains for the other EU states to agree to the bailout package now, which is almost certain - there are still a few rumblings from those who think that Greece should be kicked out of the euro, but I seriously doubt they will stand in the way of the EU juggernaut at this late stage.
That said, once the bailout is signed, sealed and delivered, it remains to be seen as to what Greece actually do. My guess is that Tsipras will quit, and Greece will fail to deliver on much of their end of the bargain - partially because they never intended to deliver on some/most of it, and partially because they may not be able to, or the measures that the EU have demanded simply won't be enough to prevent Greece from slipping into an even worse depression - the damage is already done.
Greece's capitulation/humiliation is almost complete... it just remains for the other EU states to agree to the bailout package now, which is almost certain - there are still a few rumblings from those who think that Greece should be kicked out of the euro, but I seriously doubt they will stand in the way of the EU juggernaut at this late stage.
That said, once the bailout is signed, sealed and delivered, it remains to be seen as to what Greece actually do. My guess is that Tsipras will quit, and Greece will fail to deliver on much of their end of the bargain - partially because they never intended to deliver on some/most of it, and partially because they may not be able to, or the measures that the EU have demanded simply won't be enough to prevent Greece from slipping into an even worse depression - the damage is already done.
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I'm feeling quite anxious as to what my government's stance will be. At this point, all I want is for them to stay consistent with what has been said before and oppose the bailout packages even if the other states vote it through.
If the other EU states are then angered by this, well, maybe Greece doesn't need our money and we can just begin the process of backing out of this failed union ourselves and regain full sovereignty...
If the other EU states are then angered by this, well, maybe Greece doesn't need our money and we can just begin the process of backing out of this failed union ourselves and regain full sovereignty...
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Hooray! That means I get paid this month, at last!
*Our budgets/salaries/money come from a sister company in Greece
Although I do hope this goes some way to alleviating Greece's problems. With all the international pressure, exposure and comment, it's high time the knuckleheads on all sides of the argument get their noggins together and get fixing. Balls to your national pride, balls to your point scoring, balls to your partisan politics, balls to your egos, balls to saving face. Balls to all of that. Throw out your ideologies and take this situation as it is. Get it done.
Wishful thinking? I can only hope not.
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The Greek election will be on the 20th of September. I imagine this is about shoring up external confidence in Greece as much as anything else... there are few remaining internal options.
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Is it wrong that I kind of want to see Germany say "screw this" and start annexing territory in Europe again? You know they know they can do it. It is effectively meant to be an has been for a hundred years or more but it takes the entire rest of the world to keep them in check.
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Torygraph: Portugal prohibits left-wing Euroskeptic parties from forming government
The left-wing coalition has 50.7% of the electorate. The current governing right-wing coalition has just 38.5%.
It's in the 'national interest'.
The left-wing coalition has 50.7% of the electorate. The current governing right-wing coalition has just 38.5%.
It's in the 'national interest'.
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Not sure how the general atmosphere is in other countries, but the immigration crisis is definitely fueling anti-European sentiments in The Netherlands. The Netherlands will have a referendum on the upcoming treaty with Ukraine, and I don't think the population is going to vote in favor of it, despite of massive pro-EU/treaty propaganda in the media.
And I honestly don't get peoples infatuation with people like Verhofstadt, it's well-known (and well documented) that he's a sock-puppet for the oil industry who has a personal interest in getting Ukraine into the EU. People like him and Van Baalen are really scary, they would drive the EU into war with Russia for their own benefits. I wish more people would see through this, Russia/Putin is not our enemy, the enemy is right here in the EU.
And I honestly don't get peoples infatuation with people like Verhofstadt, it's well-known (and well documented) that he's a sock-puppet for the oil industry who has a personal interest in getting Ukraine into the EU. People like him and Van Baalen are really scary, they would drive the EU into war with Russia for their own benefits. I wish more people would see through this, Russia/Putin is not our enemy, the enemy is right here in the EU.
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Jesus. Is that really the case? Even I find it hard to believe the situation isn't more nuanced than that - and I'm not exactly drinking out of my "the EU is a rather splendid thing for democracy isn't it" mug these days.......
So the governing centre-right party got the most seats, yes? I think in the UK if the incumbents were the largest party the convention would be to allow them to remain, either to form a coalition or a minority govt, even if it was clear a minority would force another election. Does Portugal have the same precedent, if any?
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We might be heading for a similar situation in NL in the upcoming elections and with the referendum. But it's very interesting to see how this is going to turn out. So far none of the mainstream media are picking this up, but there appears to be something going on right now in Lisbon. https://twitter.com/hashtag/portugalcoup?f=tweets&vertical=news&src=hash
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Why would the Orthodox Christian State of Moscow and Sevastopol be an enemy to EU?..
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"If the mass migrations are not halted, the rise of nationalist regimes at the expense of Europe’s liberals and leftists is inevitable."
Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2015/11/can-europe-survive-this-invasion/#xtm0HF5aTFWi6vcv.99
Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2015/11/can-europe-survive-this-invasion/#xtm0HF5aTFWi6vcv.99
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They will probably ignore the results, but me and my girlfriend voted no
Same here.
Edit.
74,8% counted. 32,3% turnout.
61,3% no. 37,9% yes.
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