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Anyways...
What tracks are you looking foward to?
I myself am interested in the Buddh International Circuit. The Indian GP!
It's the new track for the 2011 season and I believe the event will take place October sometime.
Here it is:
it looks like that with kers and drs it has many overtaking points and that is what make races exciting. Visually it reminds me a mixture of Spa and Monza. However videos of it:
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Thanks for posting those vids, it looks like it will be quite a high speed track 
I think that there will certainly be lots of places for some good overtakes with DRS as you mentioned, most likely to be some big collisions too!
Hopefully it will be a good track, however, as one of the starting teams you may be at a disadvantage in the slower cars...
I think that there will certainly be lots of places for some good overtakes with DRS as you mentioned, most likely to be some big collisions too!
Hopefully it will be a good track, however, as one of the starting teams you may be at a disadvantage in the slower cars...
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Not really looking forward to the new Indian track. To me it looks a lot like Korea: contrived, unnatural and just kind of sterile.
I can't wait to take on the old F1 classic tracks though, for sure.
I can't wait to take on the old F1 classic tracks though, for sure.
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I don't see how you can call it contrived - all of the elevations are natural.
I especially like that double-apex left into the fast right after you got between the two buildings the first time.
I especially like that double-apex left into the fast right after you got between the two buildings the first time.
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It certainly caught the driver out in the first vid!
I am actually rather excited for this track in the real world now too, think it will be a rather good race.
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Here's the Gamescom presentation:
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This. Looks pretty wank to me.
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I'm pretty sure Korea was deliberately designed that was. Not to be sterile, but to be unnartural. A lot of people complain that Tilke's circuits has no flow to them, but Korea has a negative rhythm to it. All circuits are divided into three sectors, but in Korea, all three sectors represent three very distinct elements. The first sector is filled with long straights and sharp corners, making it a test of engines and brakes. The second sector is mostly made of up fast, sweeping corners, putting the emphasis on downforce and driver ability. And the final sector is meandering and technical in the extreme, demanding a very precise set-up. No other circuit in the world has such a clear distinction between sectors. And I believe this may have been Tilke's intention from the start - to create a circuit where the three sectors all demanded very different things of team and driver to the extent where the team could either run a set-up that was a jack of all trades and master of none, or to concentrate on getting the most out of two of the three sectors and letting their third sector be compromised.
For the most part, this was a success on the Friday. A lot of drivers commented that they worked out that they should play to their cars' strengths, but were surprised at how much time they were losing in the one sector they were willing to sacrifice. However, then the rain set in and the wet set-up levelled the playing field a lot.
For the most part, this was a success on the Friday. A lot of drivers commented that they worked out that they should play to their cars' strengths, but were surprised at how much time they were losing in the one sector they were willing to sacrifice. However, then the rain set in and the wet set-up levelled the playing field a lot.
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Looking at most of the new age tracks built by Tilke you get the same layout but a couple turns interchanged. Heck when I look at India it easily reminds me of the layout for Circuit of Americas and doesn't seem like he is trying all that much but rehashing. This is a big reason why people don't understand why the historic unique tracks are dissapearing for these new boring tracks. Simple...Bernie is greedy. The point is the new tracks just lack inspiration especially Bahrain.
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Really? CotA has elements of Hockenheim, Istanbul, Silverstone and Abu Dhabi in it. Buddh has none of that. If anything, Buddh is most like Kyalami in terms of shape. But going by what Tilke has said about the design process, it's a cross between Monza and Suzuka - it's going to be the second-fastest circuit on the calendar, and a lot of the corners (particularly on the back half of the circuit) wouldn't be out of place at Suzuka.
Not even close to being right. "Historic unique tracks" are not being replaced. The calendar has simply expanded to the point where the "historic unique tracks" are outnumbered. Only a handful of circuits with a history to them have been removed from the calendar: Jerez, Estoril, Magny-Cours, Zandvoort, the A1-Ring, Watkins Glen, Mexico City and Buenos Aires.
- Jerez shot themselves in the foot when the mayor used the 1997 podium to make a statement.
- Estoril was dropped when Formula 1 out-crew it. Magny-Cours might not have been able to afford the sanctioning fees, but when the race stopped, people were upset at the loss of the French Grand Prix, not at the loss of Magny-Cours.
- Zandvoort was shortened, and has expressed no interest in having a race.
- The A1-Ring was originally going to be rebuilt for Formula 1, using large parts of the old circuit, but protesters stopped construction and the circuit lay in ruins for years. It's been re-opened under the name Red Bull Ring, but Dietrich Mateschitz does not want to host Formula 1.
- Watkins Glen is too narrow, too short and the pit facilities too spartan for Formula 1. It could theoretically be overhauled, but it would lose all character (which people would complain about).
- Mexico City became too dangerous when urban expansion meant that neighbourhoods butt up against the Peraltada, which has no run-off. But there is a push to get the race back.
- Buenos Aires was castrated and became a circuit go-kart drivers would hate. It's also in one fo the city's roughest neighbourhoods.
Again, you couldn't be more wrong. A lot of people seem to think that circuit sanctioning fees go straight to Bernie's bank account. They do not. Bernie takes his cut, as do CVC, but most of the money goes back into the sport. For example, how do you think Formula 1 managed to get HD coverage in recent years? There are twenty-four drivers on the grid, and each car has at least two cameras mounted on it. Then there are fixed camera positions around the circuit, plus extra cameras in the pits. All in all, there's probably about one hundred and fifty cameras at any one race. Probably more. And for back-to-back races, especially those that are on flyaway legs, there is probably a second set of cameras in reserve. And they're not cheap.
But there's a second reason why the calendar isn't dictated by Bernie's supposed greed: economics. There are fifty-two weekends in a year, so a championship could have, at most, fifty-two races. However, that's impractical, so we can already cut that number in half to twenty-six. But the teams think twenty-six is too many; they'd prefer no more than twenty. So, there are twenty calendar spots available, but more than twenty venues bidding for them. When the supply is limited, demand is high. Which means that the price is high. If one country is offering twenty million per season, and another country is offering twenty-five, who wouldn't take the twenty-five? If you take the twenty, you're devaluing the sport, which will only lead to more venues trying to bid for races.
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No, but I will remind you that the Acceptable Use Policy forbids the use of personal attacks:
Attack the post, not the poster.
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People finding historic tracks more unique than the new Tilke formulas is not wrong, they find older tracks more fun to watch and don't see why they cant go back. Watkins Glen isn't that hard to rework and you really don't have to change it all that much, especially considering the sports that do race there and have far more wrecks in a few races than F1 does in a few seasons. Run off can be expanded but a couple current tracks in the F1 season also have poor run off as well so that argument is hard to agree with but I can see where you're coming from.
Bernie isn't greedy? That's not true considering Bernie is the CEO of Formula 1 which at the end of the day is a company and not just a racing series, and court cases. 2012 was suppose to be the first season with 21 races in a calendar and was shut down by the FIA. If Bernie could he'd stuff as many races into the calendar, but the FOTA is a big factor why that wouldn't happen and obviously the FIA. This isn't some big conspiracy, Bernie lets everyone know what he's about, this is the same guy that wanted to had sprinklers to the tracks to create artificial rain so more overtakes would happen and the races would be more unpredictable, more viewers would come in, more sponsorship. F1 is the sport of international businesses after all which only helps Bernie make more money. When big companies sponsor tracks (Dutch Shell keeping Spa alive) Bernie gets paid and shows more favoritism toward them Bahrain over Turkey. The FOM and BBC cut a deal on viewing for next year which is going to only cost the fans in that area more money, hence why a petition is being formed for parliament. So we have track prices that have doubled making the only the remaining historic races at risk Spa and Silverstone which have had problems with the rising tracks costs and this opens room for big paying nations like Russia would want to be in the international public eye. Then you have the correlation which causes ticket prices to go up and now television viewing at the moment for next year. This would explain the HD that you brought to light which is only brand new really to the sport and now being to sold to pay-per-view. Not sure where you're getting your numbers from to be honest on the cameras I'm sure there is a lot, but you don't just have several sources broadcasting one sources feed; cameras probably are paid through several means and not the FOM/FOA. The FIA doesn't have involvement in the F1 company only the sport that abides by its governing rules. Some of what you state I can see where you're coming from but this is one topic I'd have to agree to disagree with you on.
Sorry, but you've been attacking us, as we say our opinions you come at is in a more arguing or greater than thou manner. Hence why people are making the comments they make toward you. It's great if you want to have a discussion on it like a forum in general is for, but when you attack us and not act like that mod you are, well, then people are going to defend themselves and start to lose respect for you in some manner or ask why you're acting rude and not abiding by the rules you are set to enforce.
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Interludes isn't a moderator anymore. He stopped being a moderator because the mod work took up so much time, he hardly had any time to post on the forums. I've had an issue like this with a mod before. I was stating a fact in an F1 related thread and he said "no one cares". Didn't like that.
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One big problem I see is that the kerbs are too rideable, which brings me to this.
See, in F1 2010, the real problem was not the kerbs being unrideable. The real problem was the way that the car reacts to the kerbs, or any bumps for that matter. The suspension didn't flex much, and so kerb riding at some tracks could prove to be deadly. Codemasters seemed to have fixed the car's flexibility, but they also went and flattened a lot of the kerbs, especially at Montreal, where there was already a problem with people straightlining the chichanes, it's going to be awful now.
See, in F1 2010, the real problem was not the kerbs being unrideable. The real problem was the way that the car reacts to the kerbs, or any bumps for that matter. The suspension didn't flex much, and so kerb riding at some tracks could prove to be deadly. Codemasters seemed to have fixed the car's flexibility, but they also went and flattened a lot of the kerbs, especially at Montreal, where there was already a problem with people straightlining the chichanes, it's going to be awful now.
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Hopefully the better car reactions will balance out the apparent drop in size.
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