F1 TV coverage threadFormula 1

[Ardius]

I would have thought that £50 million or so for F1 would be easily available if the BBC is run in any form of efficient way. (Throwing away £900 million on transferring staff from London to Salford for no good reason at all for example.)

Over 20 years. And its to save money, staying in London would (supposedly) cost more money.

The National Audit Office report on BBC Estates quoted a figure of £877m. However, this covers the 20-year running costs of the five departments moving to Salford Quays and includes lease costs and ongoing operational and technology costs. If these departments remain in London their running costs will be higher. The costs of running Salford Quays are lower because there are significant savings in sharing studios, phasing out London Weighting, occupying energy-efficient buildings and selling existing properties. These savings will be invested in programme making.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/aboutthebbc/therealstory/bbc_north.shtml

 

[Sureboss]

That would be called ITV then and if that's efficiency then stuff that. The BBC can stay as it is as far as I'm concerned.

As for the detector vans, they are not used as evidence in court cases either according to a Freedom of Information release by them, so I really don't see the point of them.

Referring more to Sky than ITV

 

[Only_in_f1]

http://www.graphicalhouse.co.uk/#/projects/channel-4

 

[MagpieRacer]

Wow so Channel 4 as well potentially?

their WRC coverage sucked..

 

[prisonermonkeys]

Yeah, it's been known that Channel 4 were putting together a bid for some time. If that's their official bid, then it's little wonder they didn't get the rights. It might look impressive, but it has virtually no real content and most of the pictures are out of date.

 

[F1 fan]

Given that Channel 4 were an alternative, I am happy F1 is going to sky. I can't remember who it was, but someone made a joke "Jenson, you are live on channel 4, please do not swear".

*shudders*

I wish sky would also purchase the BBC's F1 archive and did a weekly "classic f1" series. The BBC has an amazing archive and it would be nice to see it put to better use.

 

[Only_in_f1]

I found the ten point plan in the above link quite interesting. Maybe F1 re-runs would replace 'Friends' on E4....

 

[Ardius]

Eh? I would have been happy to see F1 on C4. Why is everyone poo-pooing it? At least I wouldn't be paying additional fees just to see F1 live!

C4 is no worse than ITV as far as quality of broadcast goes in my opinion, but even if it was, the fact I could at least watch all the races live more than makes up for that drawback because I'm not going to be experiencing Sky's coverage anyway.

 

[Robin]

You know, Channel 5 had also considered a bid because they are trying to up their game at the moment after coming under new ownership a few months ago. They said it would go well with the new fly on the wall docu about Tamara Ecclestone's life.

The one thing that could have been excellent would be the return of Jim Rosenthal (seeing as he's mainly with CH5 now) as the F1 host / presenter.

Any free channel would have been better than Sky even with adverts in my opinion, we managed fine with ITV for like a decade!

Robin.

 

[F1 fan]

Any announcement on which sky sports channel F1 will broadcast on? I have a feeling it will be split across at least two channels, forcing subscribers to take up more than the one channel.

 

[Sach]

As long as there are still streams available, I'll be good.

 

[Seismica]

Any announcement on which sky sports channel F1 will broadcast on? I have a feeling it will be split across at least two channels, forcing subscribers to take up more than the one channel.

Indeed. Sky Sports 1 & 2 are relatively cheap on their own. It's buying the full sports package that is the expensive part.

I wish they would implement subscriptions based upon a single sport. I don't care about Football, Cricket, Golf etc. I just want to see F1, and i'm going to be paying a share in the Barclays premier league rights when I won't be getting the benefits. I don't like their sports business model because if you aren't prepared to pay you have no other choice, they have a monopoly on that sport because of exclusive deals they have in place (Which i'm pretty sure directly contradict EU and UK competition laws, but nevermind). It's extortion. I wouldn't mind if it was Pay per view for the F1 weekend (Practice, qualy, race and any extra stuff), kind of like Boxing, wrestling etc. as long as I don't have to contribute towards licenses for sports I am not going to watch.

 

[Ardius]

I'm thinking that Sports 3 and 4 will show practice sessions. Qualifying and races are pretty much going to be at the mercy of whatever other major sports are on at the same time.
For example, Japanese qualifying + race most likely will be shown on 1 or 2 as its unlikely to conflict with anything because its so early.
But prime time and lunchtime is going to conflict with football and all the rest of it.

 

[Bigbazz]

Are we still keeping the Martin Brundle, David Coulthard, Eddie Jordan presenting it? Also alongside that, what about BBC 5live? I really dislike this whole thing, the races that BBC aren't showing I will have to watch on some stream.

 

[prisonermonkeys]

Are we still keeping the Martin Brundle, David Coulthard, Eddie Jordan presenting it?

As far as we know, the regular commentary team will be on-board. They just won't be employed by the BBC - they'll work for Sky. Under the terms of the arrangement, Sky broadcasts the world feed, and the BBC picks it up the way Channel Ten do it down here in Australia.

 

[Ardius]

Are we still keeping the Martin Brundle, David Coulthard, Eddie Jordan presenting it? Also alongside that, what about BBC 5live? I really dislike this whole thing, the races that BBC aren't showing I will have to watch on some stream.

5live will continue to cover the races as far as I know, just as they did during the time when ITV had the TV rights. This whole thing only relates to the TV coverage.

As far as we know, the regular commentary team will be on-board. They just won't be employed by the BBC - they'll work for Sky. Under the terms of the arrangement, Sky broadcasts the world feed, and the BBC picks it up the way Channel Ten do it down here in Australia.

Nothing has been confirmed yet. That is only speculation. Brundle has freely admitted he doesn't know what he is doing next year.
For all we know, the BBC will have their own commentary team. Its just unlikely considering the reason the BBC give for why this deal happened is money.

 

[Prince.M5]

Should I start worrying about this? I mean, is this going to affect our race coverage by ESPN Star Sports too? Or is this just going to affect viewers in the UK only?

 

[MagpieRacer]

I reckon the races will be on Sky Sports 1 for sure. Particlarly if they want people to watch it and get good ratings. quali and practice, probably split ascross SS3 and 4 like some have said.

 

[Lizard]

Wasnt the government going to have a debate as to whether this deal ripped off licence payers?

 

[Ardius]

Wasnt the government going to have a debate as to whether this deal ripped off licence payers?

Just hot air made by an MP, as per usual.

 

[Lizard]

Just hot air made by an MP, as per usual.

This happens too often. One of the many reasons im going to study politics at uni when I finish A levels.

 

[MagpieRacer]

I hope Sky Sports' Charlie Webster fronts the coverage. she is hot!

 

[prisonermonkeys]

Wasnt the government going to have a debate as to whether this deal ripped off licence payers?

Not until the petition gets 100,000 signatures. It currently has ~30,000.

 

[Ardius]

Not until the petition gets 100,000 signatures. It currently has ~30,000.

He was referring to an MP saying they would take it up with the committee that deals with Sports.
Turns out this MP wasn't one of the MPs that sits on this committee and he was just making hot air as politicians like to, to gain some popularity.

I think we all realise petitions mean nothing.

 

[prisonermonkeys]

He was referring to an MP saying they would take it up with the committee that deals with Sports. Turns out this MP wasn't one of the MPs that sits on this committee and he was just making hot air as politicians like to, to gain some popularity.

I did not know that.

I think we all realise petitions mean nothing.

I seem to recall reading somewhere that one of the petitions put forward under the e-petition.gov.uk (or whatever it is) website was discussed in the House of Commons. So they will discuss them; they just have to get 100,000 signatures first. But I honestly doubt there would have been much the House of Commons could have done, anyway; the British Grand Prix would probably be the only race they could guarantee to be shown on free-to-air television.

 

[Ardius]

Yes, they will discuss them, but they are unlikely to do anything unless its something of major concern to the general population. And if something is so major that it concerns everyone, a peitition really isn't needed.

 

[prisonermonkeys]

He was referring to an MP saying they would take it up with the committee that deals with Sports.
Turns out this MP wasn't one of the MPs that sits on this committee and he was just making hot air as politicians like to, to gain some popularity.

The Beeb are going to get a grilling over the deal:

BBC's Mark Thompson to face MPs on F1 deal with BSkyB

Mark Thompson, the BBC director general, is to face questions from MPs about the corporation's handling of its Formula One TV rights deal with BSkyB.

The Commons culture, media and sport select committee will question Thompson and the BBC Trust chairman, Lord Patten, about the deal when they appear before MPs to discuss BBC governance in December.

John Whittingdale, the Conservative MP and chairman of the committee, said in a letter to the Lib Dem culture spokesman, Don Foster, that a large number of people had expressed concerns about the deal, which will result in live coverage of half the Formula One grands prix away from free-to-air TV for the first time.

Sky will broadcast all the Formula One grands prix and practice sessions live from next season, with the BBC broadcasting half of the races, as part of the deal announced in July. Live TV coverage of Formula One reverted to the BBC in 2009 after 13 years on ITV.

Foster raised fears in September that no one was speaking on behalf of Formula One viewers and that there were "glaring problems" with accounts given by the BBC, Sky and Formula One over how the deal came about.

In a letter seen by the Guardian and sent to Foster earlier this week, Whittingdale said: "The committee has received a large number of emails and letters on the subject.

"The new licensing agreement for Formula One coverage is a commercial decision for the BBC and Formula One Management. However, the committee will be holding its annual evidence session with the chairman of the BBC Trust and the director general of the BBC in December.

"It is highly likely that members will wish to explore at that meeting some of the concerns that have been expressed over Formula One."

The BBC said that the decision over who broadcasts the sport is down to Formula One Management (FOM).

A BBC spokeswoman said: "On this occasion, Fom decided that a broadcast partnership between BBC and Sky was in the best interest of the sport."

The seven-year deal to share coverage of the races comes into force from the 2012 Formula One season.

I don't know if it's the same MP behind it as last time, though.

 

[Submerged]

I seem to recall reading somewhere that one of the petitions put forward under the e-petition.gov.uk (or whatever it is) website was discussed in the House of Commons. So they will discuss them; they just have to get 100,000 signatures first.

It turns out that the committee who oversees this e-petition stuff now doesn't have enough time to look at the current issues and debate on it, nor any future ones.

So basically, its a white elephant.

 

[Tired Tyres]

The Beeb are going to get a grilling over the deal:

I don't know if it's the same MP behind it as last time, though.

I doesn't matter either way. The Beeb will get a grilling by MP's in committee and then nothing whatsoever will happen, other than UK tax money being thrown away as MP's try to justify their own existence, by supposedly representing the people, as if our interests are ever really represented in things like this anyway.

 

[prisonermonkeys]

Actually, I think you'll find there will be very little the government can do - the Sky/BBC deal is legal under the terms of the Concorde Agreement, the British Grand Prix is guaranteed to be shown live on the BBC, and there is a precedent for international sporting events with British competitors and teams being shown on Pay TV.