Fanatec Announcements: CSW V2 Reviews Out

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The whole spin speed measurement, apart from probably depending a bit on firmware (I.e. are the Elite and CSW results using the same firmware?) also shows that the Elite's rim was built with cost but also spin speed in mind.

I watched a follow up video on SimRacingWorld (I think?) recently where he stated that the screws in the CSR Elite rim can come slightly loose, and once he tightened them up fully the rim was tight and solid. I wonder how many people who have been complaining about the rim solidity have tried this?

Given these results, it's perfectly possible that lots of people will end up reconsidering if they want more realistic rims with slightly better buttons or just go for the lightness and price effectiveness of the CSR Elite.
 
I think everyone is too hung up on the weight "issues"

I wish more reviewers got into how ffb is affected when you jump up over 100%.

The reviews I have read all say they extra weight had no effect on gameplay. Only a select few have this wheel yet, but everyone is already complaining the rim we all wanted ( see all complaints for csre ) without ever seeing one in person let alone using it.
 
Caz
I think everyone is too hung up on the weight "issues"

I wish more reviewers got into how ffb is affected when you jump up over 100%.

The reviews I have read all say they extra weight had no effect on gameplay. Only a select few have this wheel yet, but everyone is already complaining the rim we all wanted ( see all complaints for csre ) without ever seeing one in person let alone using it.
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How is FFB effected. Eh... This depends per game as FFB is done differently per game. When going over 100 you can increase the effect(s) but at some point it will start to clip. Which I found was often very quickly beyond 100. They are still fine tuning this some more.
Unfortunately it is not as easy as saying "i want more curb rumble" and en increasing a setting for that beyond 100. You would have to increase the FOR effect, but that has most of the FFB effects made within the game under it.
 
Let's see how Thomas handles orders completed but not paid.

After 4+ hours I was able to do a checkout... I tried to pay with paypal but got problems with my bank. After 30 mins of calls or so and once i sorted it out and tried to checkout again, site down forever.

I got the email saying about my order incomplete, but i really hope they honor my order ...

oh well... it was a complete set: cws+f1+bmw, csp v2 and a table clamp...

no response from thomas yet about an invoice or ability to checkout again...

*sigh*
 
Caz
I think everyone is too hung up on the weight "issues"
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I think it is mostly just me :) Fanatec has already sold all their stock of CSW. And I mostly am hang up with that there is not round rim either for CSW or CSR-E. Also I think that light weight sturdy rim is possible. I mean T500RS has this. It can not be much more (if any) powerful than CSW.
 
Caz
The reviews I have read all say they extra weight had no effect on gameplay. Only a select few have this wheel yet, but everyone is already complaining the rim we all wanted ( see all complaints for csre ) without ever seeing one in person let alone using it.
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I read a review last night where the reviewer said gameplay was affected when switching from the GT to Formula rim. He said the extra diameter and weight of the GT wheel affected the strength of the FFB and detail affects.

http://simhq.com/_technology3/technology_190d.html

Caz
I think everyone is too hung up on the weight "issues"
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I don't think so. Weight has detrimental affects on FFB wheels. Drive a 911Turbo S and then the CSR. The basic difference between them is the rim itself and the CSR feels quite a bit more lively and responsive thanks to it's light rim. I'm not a huge fan of my Elite's rim but I don't hate it either. I find it comfortable for me and having removed it from the base I can tell you it weighs peanuts
 
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I read a review last night where the reviewer said gameplay was affected when switching from the GT to Formula rim. He said the extra diameter and weight of the GT wheel affected the strength of the FFB and detail affects.

http://simhq.com/_technology3/technology_190d.html


I don't think so. Weight has detrimental affects on FFB wheels. Drive a 911Turbo S and then the CSR. The basic difference between them is the rim itself and the CSR feels quite a bit more lively and responsive thanks to it's light rim. I'm not a huge fan of my Elite's rim but I don't hate it either. I find it comfortable for me and having removed it from the base I can tell you it weighs peanuts
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I've been reading all these reviews too and find the SimHQ review interesting. I'd be curious about the realism of the weight. I always thought the Fanatec GT2 felt really good driving production cars. Once I tuned the GT2 right, the MX-5 in iRacing felt really good and realistic. My CSR Elite is really good with that MX-5 too, but sometimes it feels almost too responsive. Adjusting the damping helps make it feel more realistic for that application. The lightweight CSR Elite rim has the added benefit of working really well with open wheel race cars too. I get the feeling the heavy CSW BMW M3 GT2 wheel probably feels great simulating a road going M3, but I've got to believe an actual M3 GT2 has much more aggressive and violent steering feel. Can the CSW pull that off with the heavier wheel rim? Does increasing the Force setting beyond 100 help?
 
skazz
I watched a follow up video on SimRacingWorld (I think?) recently where he stated that the screws in the CSR Elite rim can come slightly loose, and once he tightened them up fully the rim was tight and solid. I wonder how many people who have been complaining about the rim solidity have tried this?
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This was the 1st thing I did with my Elite, and no they don't come loose once you tighten them properly or at least mine hasn't, some screws were just not completely tightened from the manufacturing process. My rim is solid but I'd still like to have the choice of buying other rims as I was lead to believe from initial sales nomenclature.
 
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thehawk05
Drive a 911Turbo S and then the CSR. The basic difference between them is the rim itself and the CSR feels quite a bit more lively and responsive thanks to it's light rim.
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I don't have a CSR E, but I do own a GT3 and CSR. My CSR does seem quite a bit more lively and responsive than the GT2. The GT2 has the heavier rim of the two.
 
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Has anyone tried the Fanatec website today? I get the "enter user name and password" which I have, but it won't let me in.
 
My PayPal transaction says completed, ID 885.

CSW + BMW Rim

I got a "Thank you for you inquiry" automated email 13 hours after forwarding the PayPal email to them, I'm still waiting on an official "your order is being processed" email.
 
RackAttack
My PayPal transaction says completed, ID 885.

CSW + BMW Rim

I got a "Thank you for you inquiry" automated email 13 hours after forwarding the PayPal email to them, I'm still waiting on an official "your order is being processed" email.
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From Fanatec's Facebook page:

The order data we received is not consistent and we need to check if we did not sell more units than what we actually had. Our sales team will have a look at each order and will notify you in case there is some uncertainty. We already sent out e-mails today and you will probably get another email if necessary.
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Please let us know if you receive another email with regard to the above...
 
FMW
Has anyone tried the Fanatec website today? I get the "enter user name and password" which I have, but it won't let me in.
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According to this post by Thomas they are supposed to revert back to the old site sometime today:

http://www.911wheel.de/?q=node/8731

..but its now 19:30 in Germany, time will tell...

The login you are getting is for back-end people with internal access to the site, not front-end customers.

That is why you see this next:

Authorization Required

This server could not verify that you are authorized to access the document requested. Either you supplied the wrong credentials (e.g., bad password), or your browser doesn't understand how to supply the credentials required.

Additionally, a 401 Authorization Required error was encountered while trying to use an ErrorDocument to handle the request.
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RackAttack
My PayPal transaction says completed, ID 885.

CSW + BMW Rim

I got a "Thank you for you inquiry" automated email 13 hours after forwarding the PayPal email to them, I'm still waiting on an official "your order is being processed" email.
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Your's is the first number I've seen higher than mine who has had a completed PayPal transaction.

I never forwarded my PayPal email though, I just copied and pasted it in another email along with the automated response.

I'm almost certain that I've missed out on the first EU batch. I just wish Thomas would update his blog with abit more information.
 
@12thgear Just increasing the Force setting beyond 100 does not help as it affects the FFB effect, not the pure power output of the motors in the base. So you just end up with a clipping effect. Like I said, fanatec really has to adjust the power output on a per wheel rim basis to make every wheel rim feel 'as lively'.
 
Which shouldn't be todifficult. Each wheel has its own PCB so getting the right firmware shouldn't be a big issue. Unless this is done but still needs a little tweaking.
 
RobJackson85
RackAttack
My PayPal transaction says completed, ID 885.

CSW + BMW Rim

I got a "Thank you for you inquiry" automated email 13 hours after forwarding the PayPal email to them, I'm still waiting on an official "your order is being processed" email.
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RobJackson85
Your's is the first number I've seen higher than mine who has had a completed PayPal transaction.

I never forwarded my PayPal email though, I just copied and pasted it in another email along with the automated response.

I'm almost certain that I've missed out on the first EU batch. I just wish Thomas would update his blog with abit more information.
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Mine completed and my EU order was 727.

I'm in no way smug about it, though. I'll expect my wheel when I see it...

In a way, I have mixed feelings about my CSW order.

I primarily play on console on the XBOX, and, truth be told, I just wanted a GT style rim for my Elite. That's all everyone really seems to want. Even Thomas has admitted that the original rim was made at a price to get the wheel out there at an affordable level.

But then there's an announcement that a spherical rim to match the quality of the Elite base will only be released dependent on the sales of the Formula rim (a rim which not THAT many people really want).

So I thought, sod waiting, I'll just get a CSW for GT5.

Now I hear (I can't remember if it was in a forum reply or not) that Thomas has "special plans for the CSR-E".

As a consumer, it's difficult to know what to do, what to buy and what to believe anymore.

These aren't cheap items, and a bit of clarity would be good, sometimes, instead of the cloak and daggers and teases (firmwares hidden in 'Easter Eggs' for 600Euro purchases, is a case in point).

I dunno... I guess it's only money at the end of the day.

You can't take it with you when you go, and he who dies with the most toys wins, and all that.

Best of luck to everyone with their orders.
 
Has anyone tried wrapping the CRSE rim?

I had a go with some non-adhesive rubber tape we had laying around and it worked pretty well (nice grip and dampened down the creaking) but the tape began to disintegrate over time.

I might have another go and do it properly in Alcantara or leather.
 
Snotgobbler
Now I hear (I can't remember if it was in a forum reply or not) that Thomas has "special plans for the CSR-E".

As a consumer, it's difficult to know what to do, what to buy and what to believe anymore.

These aren't cheap items, and a bit of clarity would be good, sometimes, instead of the cloak and daggers and teases (firmwares hidden in 'Easter Eggs' for 600Euro purchases, is a case in point).
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This is why I haven't ordered a Fanatec product yet. The only reason I even wanted one was to play Forza AND GT with the same HIGH QUALITY wheel. I want a nice wheel for console use and occasional PC use. While the CSRE is a great wheel as is, the Rim leaves something to be desired for a wheel that costs $700+ USD with pedals. Not to mention that the wheel was last time I check STILL more expensive than the original MSRP of $499 USD. Now that wheel isn't getting a QUALITY GT rim in favor of the Formula rim? That is WAY MORE niche than a good GT rim.

Why aren't the interfaces between the CSRE and CSW interchangeable anyway? There are two different attachment methods or is it a software issue?
 
BCNR 33
Why aren't the interfaces between the CSRE and CSW interchangeable anyway? There are two different attachment methods or is it a software issue?
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Both, the CSW has quick-release for the wheels, and expandable data functions for yet-to-be released accessories, hence its "premium" positioning at the top of the Fanatec wheel lineup.

So in short, the CSR E does not have the same level of expandable electronics, or physical quick-release wheel swapping function of CSW.
 
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drugstorecowboy
Have you got any pictures of it wrapped Steve?
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I remembered what I did. I used 2 packs/strips of handle grip for the top section of the rim. I went from outside to the top (on both sides) and used black electrical tape to cover the join (top central). Then I got another pack which I split between the lower sections..but it was a cheaper one as I knew it wouldn't really get a lot of handling.
The main reason I did this was because a 'mate' gripped it so hard the alacantra started pulling away so I seemed a good solution to cover the issue. I liked the look and feel enough to do the whole wheel :)

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