Fanatec Announcements: CSW V2 Reviews Out
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Mr Latte
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So 2 more weeks to TGS and also Fanatec are to announce more details and other things...
I have to agree with ISR the pricing regarding difference in USA/EURO/UK is a bit much, even taking into account taxes for USA orders. This if anything could give somone via ebay etc the oppertunity to exploit this and purchase multiple wheels in the US, selling as personal sales themselves for self profit for international orders. Even taking into account USA sales taxes and if paying for courier/import fees it still would be cheaper to purchase one of these wheels from such a buyer and import it.
That wouldnt be good for many reasons.
What is the average in % sales tax for USA customers?
States vary I assume (10% average?)
Id like to compare average USA prices "including taxes" Vs Euro & UK for reference purposes.
Examples without USA Taxes Applied:
$600 is 418 Vs 600 is $860 = $260 more
$600 is £327 Vs 600 is £521 = £194 more
Their is NO WAY USA taxes even if included come close to these differences and Euro/UK pricing just is not close to being consistant to what other companies charge to cover typical Euro/UK differences with regards USA $ price points.
Why and whats the explanation for such a hike? It is particulary in the current economic climate hard to swallow Thomas and a little absurd.
It deserves an explanation, this is not a rant however.
Additional example:
Thrustmaster T500RS
T500RS USA Price $600
T500RS UK Price £400 - £450 (Store dependant at launch)
Why is a Fanatec CSW the same price as the USA T500RS yet approx £100 more than the average UK T500RS release price?
I have to agree with ISR the pricing regarding difference in USA/EURO/UK is a bit much, even taking into account taxes for USA orders. This if anything could give somone via ebay etc the oppertunity to exploit this and purchase multiple wheels in the US, selling as personal sales themselves for self profit for international orders. Even taking into account USA sales taxes and if paying for courier/import fees it still would be cheaper to purchase one of these wheels from such a buyer and import it.
That wouldnt be good for many reasons.
What is the average in % sales tax for USA customers?
States vary I assume (10% average?)
Id like to compare average USA prices "including taxes" Vs Euro & UK for reference purposes.
Examples without USA Taxes Applied:
$600 is 418 Vs 600 is $860 = $260 more
$600 is £327 Vs 600 is £521 = £194 more
Their is NO WAY USA taxes even if included come close to these differences and Euro/UK pricing just is not close to being consistant to what other companies charge to cover typical Euro/UK differences with regards USA $ price points.
Why and whats the explanation for such a hike? It is particulary in the current economic climate hard to swallow Thomas and a little absurd.
It deserves an explanation, this is not a rant however.
Additional example:
Thrustmaster T500RS
T500RS USA Price $600
T500RS UK Price £400 - £450 (Store dependant at launch)
Why is a Fanatec CSW the same price as the USA T500RS yet approx £100 more than the average UK T500RS release price?
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I can only speculate - Thomas would be the right person to answer it - but I think it comes down to 2 factors:
> Import-taxes for goods made in China - I find hard to believe that Fanatec ships their products from China to Germany and than to USA. I presume they have USA partner-company and they freight USA products directly from manufacturer to USA which then gives them freedom to enjoy the benefits of cheap US dollar and special import benefits because of US crazy debt to China, and
> actual freight-costs - because I presume it is much cheaper to freight goods directly from China to USA, because you can't compare the vastness of China-USA import and related prices of freight with european ones.
But you have to know how US prices are frequently displayed without corresponding VAT-tax for particular State. I don't know is VAT included in price you're compared, so maybe it also has something to do with overall picture.
sonac
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@Mr Latte:
I don't think importing them from USA on your own pays out.
Here is a quick example: If average tax in USA is 10% like you said, average tax in EU is 20% and if shipping to Europe costs 70$:
600USD + US TAX + shipping + EU import tax = probably something like (600USD + 10% + 70 USD) +20% = 876 USD
I don't think importing them from USA on your own pays out.
Here is a quick example: If average tax in USA is 10% like you said, average tax in EU is 20% and if shipping to Europe costs 70$:
600USD + US TAX + shipping + EU import tax = probably something like (600USD + 10% + 70 USD) +20% = 876 USD
Mr Latte
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Your probably right on that to be fair when taking into account courier and import duties and USA sales tax. However thats a LOT of extras and even with those the price would be very similar to the UK price.
Looking at the T500 RS as the perfect example with the same selling retail price point on launch in $. Yet such a difference in UK/Europe?
Thrustmaster
$600.00/€499.99/£449.99.
Fanatec
$600.00/€600.00/£520.00
I understand what Amar is saying and different countries have different import/export rates for different commodities but if Thrustmaster can do it with the same type of product why then cant Fanatec?
It should be possible to drop around €70/£50
We are just getting fleeced a bit here I think but if thats the price we have to pay then we have to pay it.
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Like I posted before US doesn't pay taxes when we order Fanatec products online. *Unless that was a part of your point.
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Personally I'm more concerned when these new wheels will arrive. I am thinking they won't be here in US til like 2012 at best. FM 4 will be here Oct 11th. If I see a fairly decent wheel at Fry's I might just get one instead unfortunately.*
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wheel base looks very well built. not interested in F1 wheel but looks promising for GT wheel version. very nice customizable options (quick release, fixed paddles, etc.. tbc), nice to see they thought ahead.
any news on a quality H-shifter?
too bad about shoddy customer service and EU prices being so high compared to US (i don't buy the VAT/x-change rate argument), so will give this a pass until i am convinced that this has changed, as i am not going through GT2 fiasco again. time will tell, until then i will stay tuned and eat popcorn on the sideline
any news on a quality H-shifter?
too bad about shoddy customer service and EU prices being so high compared to US (i don't buy the VAT/x-change rate argument), so will give this a pass until i am convinced that this has changed, as i am not going through GT2 fiasco again. time will tell, until then i will stay tuned and eat popcorn on the sideline
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Yeah, I just bought a Fanatec yesterday and only charge wheel + shipping. I was interested in the new wheels, but like sandbox said, no idea when it will be released, the backorders, and I dont want to deal with that
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Sales tax rates are actually pretty complicated. But very roughly the average is around 6%. I paid sales tax (8.25%) on my Fanatec order because I live in California and that is where Fanatec has an office/distribution center.
I have seen worse disparities regarding pricing, for example Sony dSLR lenses. The most inequitable differences were when comparing US and UK pricing. This was a few years but it was:
1 US$ = 1 = >1£
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I paid £370 for my T500RS from Asda. I guess the shifter will be around £100
I think I'm right in saying to get the fanatec wheel, fixed paddles, shifter and pedals you're looking at £750-£900?
For that money it would have to be more than 2x as good as the T500 for me to buy one and I don't think it's going to be.
I think it's going to be for very serious PC racers only if it stays at that price.
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- sandboxgod
Yeah, I just bought a Fanatec yesterday and only charge wheel + shipping. I was interested in the new wheels, but like sandbox said, no idea when it will be released, the backorders, and I dont want to deal with that
Congrats on your purchase! If I get too impatient maybe I can fallback to the gt2 + CSP option. of course I don't expect the us inventory to remain in stock for much longer but I'll give Fanatec major props for keeping them in stock for all this time
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- Vaxxtx
- Vaxxtx
Well, GT2 Clubsport Edition is back so you're in luck if you're impatient
Yeah...the day after I purchased my wheel I see they now have that package ...
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Well, GT2 Clubsport Edition is back so you're in luck if you're impatient
Wait what? Why is the kit $500USD, but the wheel and CSP separately are $250USD and $200USD? Do you get something extras with teh kit?
Porsche 911 GT2 Wheel - Clubsport edition - US
[PWGT2CSU] $499.95
Porsche 911 GT2 Wheel - US
[PWGT2USA] $249.95
Clubsport Pedals - USB
[CSP-USB] $199.95
edit...ya, in the kit you also get
carbon shifter paddles
6+1 h-pattern shifter
Sequential shifter
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Does anyone still feel like the Clubsport package is a much better deal for the GT3 than the GT2?
With the GT3, you get the Wheel ($180) and the pedals ($200) for a price of $330 which is a $50 discount.
With the GT2, you get the wheel ($250), pedals ($200), carbon shifter paddles ($40), shifter set ($30) for $500, which is only a $20 discount.
Shouldn't the discount be higher for spending more money?
In addition, for those of us wanting to pick up a CSS, the shifters are a waste. Why can't I buy a GT2 + CSP for $400, which would be the $330 GT2 bundle but with $70 for the GT2/GT3 price difference.
With the GT3, you get the Wheel ($180) and the pedals ($200) for a price of $330 which is a $50 discount.
With the GT2, you get the wheel ($250), pedals ($200), carbon shifter paddles ($40), shifter set ($30) for $500, which is only a $20 discount.
Shouldn't the discount be higher for spending more money?
In addition, for those of us wanting to pick up a CSS, the shifters are a waste. Why can't I buy a GT2 + CSP for $400, which would be the $330 GT2 bundle but with $70 for the GT2/GT3 price difference.
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The XBox compatibility makes everything pricier regardless of the kind of bundle. If the GT2 Clubsport Edition did not include the shifter sets, then I would probably get it. I don't want to have a set of shifters lying around collecting dust once I get my hands on the CSS. I would rather get them if I decide that the CSS is not worth it, something that I currently (not highly) doubt.
So I'm still waiting for the CSS and CSR series to come out...
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Sorry. Definetly not trying to police. Its just totally irrelevant to the thread. (After you answered)
It was deemed a forza issue and should have been taken there after the initial question was answered.
It is widely known that F3 has steering assists designed for controller users that are nit able to be turned off.
I am not a wannarator in anyway. Just waiting patiently for info on CSS/CSHB to surface here.
Cheers
It was deemed a forza issue and should have been taken there after the initial question was answered.
It is widely known that F3 has steering assists designed for controller users that are nit able to be turned off.
I am not a wannarator in anyway. Just waiting patiently for info on CSS/CSHB to surface here.
Cheers
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Same here, but i agree with people that say they feel they are almost forced to buy the GT2 because they want to drive FM4 with 900°.
I see the core FM fanbase (teh pioneers) getting letdown, and the people who arent so fanatical about FM3 get rewarded for not being inmpatient..
Release the CSR wheels allready!!
I see the core FM fanbase (teh pioneers) getting letdown, and the people who arent so fanatical about FM3 get rewarded for not being inmpatient..
Release the CSR wheels allready!!
Mr Latte
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Just wanted to say my previous points are discusion, they are not to be seen as an attack or rant towards Fanatec.
X360 Support has always been approx $70-$80 difference in price from memory between Fanatec products. This also covered other features like back lighting in buttons, mic and wireless dongle support.
Why then am I scratching my head again when thinking about CSW Vs Elite?
If the Elite is $500 (E3 mumble) with X360 support and includes a full FM4 part alacantara rim.
How is the CSW with no rim, no X360 support and what basically seems a different colour only $50 less.
(what are we missing?)
Surely the base price for the CSW chassis should be closer to $400.
Even a $100 difference would seem more fair regards having X360 support and the full rim included. The $50 difference is just bonkers unless the CSW has other benifits, yet we have been told the chassis are the same spec.
Sorry I fail to see how its right to charge approx $70-$80 for X360 support in some product lines yet only have $50 difference in annother and then also reducing nothing for a FM4 wheel rim.
Perhaps yes Im too observant but such should be addressed.
X360 Support has always been approx $70-$80 difference in price from memory between Fanatec products. This also covered other features like back lighting in buttons, mic and wireless dongle support.
Why then am I scratching my head again when thinking about CSW Vs Elite?
If the Elite is $500 (E3 mumble) with X360 support and includes a full FM4 part alacantara rim.
How is the CSW with no rim, no X360 support and what basically seems a different colour only $50 less.
(what are we missing?)
Surely the base price for the CSW chassis should be closer to $400.
Even a $100 difference would seem more fair regards having X360 support and the full rim included. The $50 difference is just bonkers unless the CSW has other benifits, yet we have been told the chassis are the same spec.
Sorry I fail to see how its right to charge approx $70-$80 for X360 support in some product lines yet only have $50 difference in annother and then also reducing nothing for a FM4 wheel rim.
Perhaps yes Im too observant but such should be addressed.
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Thomas could bump up the price of the Xbox one if we want.
Mr Latte
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Not sure that would work though.
Id assume he is keen to keep it inline with T500RS price point and thats getting discounted moreso now as well.
Although many potential buyers and FM4 fans are likely to be adding the price of whatever pedals they want into the equation too.
Elite pedals look to be $100 - $130 region, maybe even $150 tops. So for a complete Elite Wheel/Pedal combo could be $600 - $650. Thats quite a bit higher than PWTS was two years ago for the FM3 fan and even more expensive than T500RS retail price point was at launch. Yes they will have cheaper CSR and more expensive CSP pedal options.
How many multiple console owners, FM4 fans who are not perhaps PC interested be willing to spend this? Thats why they also have the CSR standard edition coming.
Kinda get the feeling the CSW buyer is subsidising the Elite to keep its price down and is the only explanation I can think of.
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Yes, 500 $/ for the CSR Elite. You will also be able to change the rim, but without the quick release. The CSW will supports additional axis, encoder switches and a rev indicator bar, which the CSR Elite wont support. I hope that the mechanics are nearly the same in both, besides the 360 compatibility.
The GT3 RS felt somewhat different than the Turbo S or the GT2. I hope we get the max experience with both wheels.
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