Fanatec Announcements: CSW V2 Reviews Out

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for real nascar driving I would recommend just going with iRacing and just buy a decent computer. They have real nascar racers endorsing them and on their payroll. I've done some Ovals in iRacing and it felt incredible. Will be awesome to see ISR test out the new Fanatec lineup with iRacing then we will see what's up for real. I know my t500rs feels like half power on console for the most part. ISR refused to review Nascar 2011 prepatch it was so bad. I am trying to talk to them on the forums tho and get them to review it with Fnaatec / t500rs wheels now that its patched

I agree the Fanatec tuning seems like a must have for console racing. Console devs are just really lazy when it comes to steering wheel options. This is why I like getting the pc ports of these games and overriding them in my t500rs control panel. But it doesnt take a whiz to realize adjusting settings on the fly is a smart move since these console games have such terrible UI menus for tuning our wheels
 
Pharaoh 117
I agree with BLACK86. It has to spin as fast as a real car wheel would. That's what the T500 does and that's what the CSW (and the CSR-E) should do.
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Maybe Fanatec/Thomas can have this in the wheel's option to adjust the spin on the fly as well? Unless the motors have fixed RPM, there may still be room for changes by adjusting the power flowing into the motors. Perhaps Mr. T can investigate and secretly leak out this information for us.
 
tribolik
I never saw the wheel of a real car spin that fast...
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Actually depends on the scenario I suppose.

A car out of control or spinning would send the wheel into overdrive.

Coasting round a corner would not have the same ferocity of return to centre.
Some spins could cause your wheel to return from lock to opposite lock.

Do sims actually accurately portray this amount of feedback at the moment?

Not sure if they do. Console sims especially tend to return to centre. I may be wrong, I try not to spin.
 
I don't really care how fast it spins. Lets wait until we have these wheels in our hands to make a decision. I think I'll be going for the CSR Elite though. I like the Carbon Fiber and since FM4 looks pretty cool I want a wheel for that game.
 
DaveTheStalker
Except professional drifting, of course.
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im no pro drifter or a drifter even, yet i could get my corolla's wheel spinning faster than the t500 by just letting go of the wheel in a bend.



can we just forget about lock to lock spin, its not about the length of the spin, its about the speed, even if you let go of the wheel and let it come back just a quarter way its the speed it does it in thats needed and the csre doesnt seem to have that speed/force
 
Which has the D-Pad/Analog stick on the wheel-face, the CSR or CSR E? I couldn't tell from the latest video.

Jerome
 
I was actually a bit impressed by how fast the wheel spun from lock to lock. But i had the idea it had a sort of spring mechanism going both ways (softly) pushing it into the neutral position?

As a drifter I want the wheel to be able to spin as fast as possible, but I want to be able to let the wheel spin by itself and then be stopped by the games inputs rather then a spring or other device on the wheel..

But it sure looks good to me! Patienly waiting for the shifter and the ebrake...
 
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As a drifter I want the wheel to be able to spin as fast as possible, but I want to be able to let the wheel spin by itself and then be stopped by the games inputs rather then a spring or other device on the wheel..

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If it is like past fanatec wheels, that could be adjusted out using the spring and damper options in the wheel settings.
 
chromatic9
I'm another one who likes the CSW but has an Xbox and a bit gutted the CSR E is not as featured. The analog stick would be great on some games.
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Me too! I think ive made up my mind and im getting the CSW, sorry to my xbox.

BLACK86
you know what, i think im going to sack off serious racing on the xbox, really like the csw and im starting to get into pc sims, ps3 i play gt5, and to be honest i havent played on forza three for ages because i was put off witht the auto steering....maybe i will wait to see if forza4 has the auto steering then make a decision. if it has then imo xbox hasnt got a serious enough racer game to warrant a high end wheel.
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I'm with you, i was going to Buy a CSR-Elite just for forza 4 till i saw the CSW. Now i want the CSW soo bad, and im about to say forget forza 4 and just stick with my ps3 and PC. The CSW looks like its got some serious potential , and maybe it will even work with next gen consoles?

(Dear Fanatec just deliver a wheel that meets M$ standards of buttons for the CSW, plz - either way your still going to get my money)
 
bermudakid
Me too! I think ive made up my mind and im getting the CSW, sorry to my xbox.

I'm with you, i was going to Buy a CSR-Elite just for forza 4 till i saw the CSW. Now i want the CSW soo bad, and im about to say forget forza 4 and just stick with my ps3 and PC. The CSW looks like its got some serious potential , and maybe it will even work with next gen consoles?

(Dear Fanatec just deliver a wheel that meets M$ standards of buttons for the CSW, plz - either way your still going to get my money)
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I'm just not ready to give up on Forza. It's been such a satisfying series for me. And unless I have a really good bonus one month, I'll likely sell my GT2 to offset some of the CSR Elite cost. So that leaves me with one wheel that I really need to work with everything. And to keep things in perspective, I'm sure the CSR Elite will smoke my GT2 in performance. I've got to temper my desire.

Looking over the feature comparison, I can live without the quick release. It's incredibly cool, but it's not mandatory for me. And I think the stock CSR Elite wheel seems to be a good, balanced design for most racing. No doubt the CSW will have some amazing wheels out in due time (and I WILL be envious), but hopefully the handful of CSR Elite compatible wheels available will also be quite nice. As for the lack of additional buttons, dials, and sticks, if I find myself missing those, perhaps I'll consider building or buying a button box. The lack of rev counter is a non-issue for me, but if I really wanted one I could mount an SLI-M. I imagine it would be extremely easy to build a mount for it that attaches to the hardpoints on the the front of the base, similar to the Red Bull Racing Formula 1 car. The other options don't really concern me, though I do wonder what the direct data port will be used for. The CSW still has some surprises.

If anyone in the DC or Northern Virgina area is planning on getting the CSW, I'd love to compare it to the CSR Elite I plan to order. What I'm hoping, but can't confirm, is perhaps the PCB in the CSR Elite is similar to the CSW, but perhaps with a few plugs or solder connections missing components. Perhaps the Elite could be modded by a handy DIYer. Perhaps not. I'd love to find out for sure though.
 
12thgear
I'm just not ready to give up on Forza. It's been such a satisfying series for me. And unless I have a really good bonus one month, I'll likely sell my GT2 to offset some of the CSR Elite cost. So that leaves me with one wheel that I really need to work with everything. And to keep things in perspective, I'm sure the CSR Elite will smoke my GT2 in performance. I've got to temper my desire.

Looking over the feature comparison, I can live without the quick release. It's incredibly cool, but it's not mandatory for me. And I think the stock CSR Elite wheel seems to be a good, balanced design for most racing. No doubt the CSW will have some amazing wheels out in due time (and I WILL be envious), but hopefully the handful of CSR Elite compatible wheels available will also be quite nice. As for the lack of additional buttons, dials, and sticks, if I find myself missing those, perhaps I'll consider building or buying a button box. The lack of rev counter is a non-issue for me, but if I really wanted one I could mount an SLI-M. I imagine it would be extremely easy to build a mount for it that attaches to the hardpoints on the the front of the base, similar to the Red Bull Racing Formula 1 car. The other options don't really concern me, though I do wonder what the direct data port will be used for. The CSW still has some surprises.

If anyone in the DC or Northern Virgina area is planning on getting the CSW, I'd love to compare it to the CSR Elite I plan to order. What I'm hoping, but can't confirm, is perhaps the PCB in the CSR Elite is similar to the CSW, but perhaps with a few plugs or solder connections missing components. Perhaps the Elite could be modded by a handy DIYer. Perhaps not. I'd love to find out for sure though.
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Curious what part of NoVA you are in? I live in Leesburg and work in Sterling. I've been using Fanatec wheels since I was an original beta tester for the 1st gen PWT (still have a couple of those sitting around!) I was also they guy who first removed the GT3RS wheel and mated it to the PWTS body since I wanted the alcantara rim but 360 compatibility (in effect the GT2 before one was made.) I made a series of how-to vids on YouTube about it some may have seen (username is Mikemav3 on YouTube.)

Anyway, if you're nearby we should get together sometime to compare notes maybe. And as far as the dilemma you have, I'm in the same boat. I want a CSW with all the bells and whistles for rFactor and iRacing (etc..) on the PC and the ability to switch it to a 360 compatible killer wheel too for Forza 4. I'd LOVE it if there was a way to hack that together or if Fanatec was able to make a CSW removable wheel which had the Xbox 360 wireless chip and only compatible buttons built in. I'd gladly pay $300 for that wheel rim to add to a CSW to avoid having to have two bases which are incompatible. Regardless, I'm looking forward to the new stuff!
 
I watched your vids back then, while I didn't have one. They were very instructive. Thank you again. You might have seen some of my vids as well ;)

Regarding CSRE, I assume switching wheel rim won't void any warranty, am I right ? Just wondering.
 
I dunno something just seems fishy here. I just looked at that f1 rim and counted the buttons. Real f1 rims have like 20 or so. Fanatec's only has like 11 buttons (*is it 13 I cant count guys, wait it is only 11 + 2 analog sticks). Okay not a big deal right? Well the Fanatec Elite rim has like 8 buttons. So why cant this rim be used with the CSR Elite again?

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And maybe someone with better attention skillz can elaborate on why cant the CSR Elite have a Quick Release?

Also I find this very fishy the CSR Elite wheel cannot have an analog stick... I can see that being very useful for panning around the camera while you're in the car or watching a replay- pan the camera to look at the car.

So my point is this. The fanatec f1 rim doesn't have all the buttons a real f1 rim has anyway... So why couldn't they have trimmed off some buttons, gave csr elite a QR option, then bam- you have probably the ultimate wheel (minus the ultimate shifter atm). * Granted, the wheel speed not being t500rs speed might bring it down a notch but maybe they can still tweak that...

PC users won't be getting a realistic f1 rim anyway right. Since the current ones have 20 buttons. For GT racing, they can use button boxes

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1. Pit lane speed limiter
2. Differential +
3. Engine push
4. Gear upshift
5. Traction control +
6. Engine push setting switch
7. Clutch lever
8. Traction control
9. Team info inlap
10. Burn out
11. Multifunctional switch
12. Lambda 13. Diagnostic
14. Wing angle info switch
15. Clutch
16. Differential selective switch
17. Team radio
18. Traction control -
19. Gear downshift
20. Engine break
21. Differential -
22. Neutral
23. Display page change

Source - BMW Sauber 2006 steering wheel
 
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Hasn't Thomas said they will release a more realistic F1 rim?

Regarding the QR System, I would imagine Thomas could release an aftermarket part for the CSR Elite. I would also think the reason for no F1 Wheel is because Micro$oft has strict rules not even the worlds worst dictator could surpass. :lol:

EDIT: I noticed something in Thomas's evil master plan of sweet and utter awesomeness. Since the CSW is PC and PS3 compatible, that means the wheel rims will need to be PC and PS3 compatible. That should mean that the CSR Elite should be able to use CSW wheel rims, just for PC and PS3 use. I think thats how it works, right?
 
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sandboxgod
I dunno something just seems fishy here. I just looked at that f1 rim and counted the buttons. Real f1 rims have like 20 or so. Fanatec's only has like 11 buttons (*is it 13 I cant count guys, wait it is only 11 + 2 analog sticks). Okay not a big deal right? Well the Fanatec Elite rim has like 8 buttons. So why cant this rim be used with the CSR Elite again?


Also I find this very fishy the CSR Elite wheel cannot have an analog stick... I can see that being very useful for panning around the camera while you're in the car or watching a replay- pan the camera to look at the car.

So my point is this. The fanatec f1 rim doesn't have all the buttons a real f1 rim has anyway... So why couldn't they have trimmed off some buttons, gave csr elite a QR option, then bam- you have probably the ultimate wheel (minus the ultimate shifter atm). * Granted, the wheel speed not being t500rs speed might bring it down a notch but maybe they can still tweak that...
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CSW F1 wheel will not work on 360 because of the anolog switch and the 4 way swich. These can also be clicked so its 13 buttons , and the right analog swich can also be scrolled. It will not work on the 360 because of M$ doesnt allow controllers with more buttons and more functionality.

What i dont understand, if the software can be updated on the CSW and why cant Fanatec just disable hot swapping on the CSW when its being used on 360 and create a quick release wheel that only has the max allowed buttons by microsft so everybody wins.

Also..
Why is everyone so upset about this wheel speed thing>? i dont get it
 
Klaxsons blaring......warning Will Robinson..... baseless assumption ahead.

"That should mean that the CSR Elite should be able to use CSW wheel rims":crazy: LOL
 
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I need to remind the "it doesn't spin fast enough" nay sayers, that the T500 spins fastest when it's hooked up to a PC and in the calibration software. The sample we saw with the new Fanatec wheel was in a game. There are several variables that come into play. Two of them are: what is the FFB strength set at on the wheel and what was it set at in the game.

I don't like a wheel that tries to rip itself out of my hands. If I wanted that nonsense, I'd break out the old DFP and play tug-of-war.

As long as the wheel is giving a good feeling of weight, (among other sensations) I'll be satisfied.
 
DaveTheStalker
I need to remind the "it doesn't spin fast enough" nay sayers, that the T500 spins fastest when it's hooked up to a PC and in the calibration software. The sample we saw with the new Fanatec wheel was in a game. There are several variables that come into play. Two of them are: what is the FFB strength set at on the wheel and what was it set at in the game.

I don't like a wheel that tries to rip itself out of my hands. If I wanted that nonsense, I'd break out the old DFP and play tug-of-war.

As long as the wheel is giving a good feeling of weight, (among other sensations) I'll be satisfied.
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#1 If the t500rs wheel rips out of your hand you're just plain doing something wrong. I would've returned the wheel day #1 because I know my real cars do not behave that way

#2 The t500rs spins fast on both pc/console.

Drift Video on Console / GT5 (you can clearly see fast wheel speed + firm control)




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I'm personally just starting to think there is something else amiss here with this CSR Elite. Just seems to be missing all the awesome stuff CSW has. Just plain makes no sense too me now. And I never heard Thomas mentioned they're making a more realistic f1 rim and if so, why haven't we seen it by now? Plus I don't buy a steering wheel cant have analog sticks on the xbox. I'm going to see if I can find these requirement documents they give these wheel makers if possible (might not be) [edit]
 
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sandboxgod
And I never heard Thomas mentioned they're making a more realistic f1 rim and if so, why haven't we seen it by now?
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I too remember reading somewhere Thomas saying that they will make something more like a real thing with all the buttons, but couldn't find it at the moment. You have not seen it, because it was meant to be released some time next year, so there probably isn't one existing. They have a lot of work to do with the current products.
 
I think you are letting the dissapointment of not having he best get to you. I am guessing performance wise these two wheels might be dead even.
I am tossing around which one to pick up and am honestly leaning towards the elite. I do not own an xbox and have no plans to get one. So to me the FM logo would stand for fanatec motors ;)
I also dont really like the f1 wheel. Awesome piece of equipment just not my style. Id rather have a standard style wheel and purchase the F1 wheel later if i wanted to.
Hotswapping is cool and all but really not needed. I dont see myself switching wheels from race to race.

Personally i think FAnatec is making a mistake with the CSW coming stock with the F1 Wheel and not a more traditional style wheel rim.
Now if upon release of new rim/base packages become availabe then thats a different story. Either way i am not a day one purchaser. My gt2 is less than a year old, doesnt mean i wont be an early adopter, just not day 1.
 
Caz
Personally i think FAnatec is making a mistake with the CSW coming stock with the F1 Wheel and not a more traditional style wheel rim.
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CSW is not coming stock with F1 wheel rim. You can purchase the base alone and choose whatever wheel rim you want, although there will only be two to choose from when it's coming out.
 
I would change the design of the CSR-E wheel. I understand that wheel emulates 458 italia wheel or something similar but shiny plastic does nothing because there are no rev indicator lights. Also shiny plastic is slippery. Of course if Fanatec would sell CSR-E base separate, and would give option to take e.g larger diameter round wheel with leather or alcantara, I would be very happy :)
 
bumer
CSW is not coming stock with F1 wheel rim. You can purchase the base alone and choose whatever wheel rim you want, although there will only be two to choose from when it's coming out.
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I mustve misread something somehwere then ;)
 
Yeah it is $450 for the base and $150 for the rim. Each sold separately. The Elite sounds like a great deal in comparison. CSW+Rim+Pedals=$800 CSRE+PEDALS=$700 Same FFB motors, same feel. Also you are paying $800 for the possibility to spend more money on the wheel in the future. I do not know about you but I rather purchase my wheel and be done, because I will have no money left.
 
I'll take you guys word for it that he said a new realistic f1 rim is in the works but I think I'm just going to try to hold out for an improved CSR Elite wheel or for an f1 rim for the current production model csr elite. I feel they made a lot of cutbacks to hit that $500 price point

I am personally in the market for a high end wheel that I can use for open wheel driving (+xbox for fm 4). I'd prefer to keep using my t500rs for GT racing. So I don't have to have quick release although that would've been awesome. Then I could hop on the ps3/pc and use the wheel with the upcoming t8rs shifter. And on xbox I'd switch to GT rim and just drive without a stick

I still might consider that cheaper CSR wheel tho and just sell it off after CSR Elite gets an f1 rim

edit: See what I am getting at here if the CSW had xbox compat it would be the perfect wheel for the dedicated multiplatform sim racer and this just makes no sense too me why it can't be. PC sims are great for 'real racing' however consoles are great for laid back, 'road' racing and just enjoying lots of high quality cars + great online if you join arranged races or have good host

edit2: my bad for keeping harping / whining / crying about CSW doesn't work on xbox I'll try to hold back the tears going forward
 
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