Fanatec Announcements: CSW V2 Reviews Out

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Yeah the CSW will be extra special but I think when it comes to order time many are going to get the realisation that 800 Euro is a lot of money to put down on a wheel and set of pedals.

Really is aimed at the sim enthausiast.

Even the Logitech G27 is considered an enthusiast product. In the grand scheme of things, sim racing is a niche in the gaming market. Most gamers look at the G27 and think it's outrageously priced, while sim racers think it's a good value at $250 USD. When the T500 RS was announced the "unwashed masses" lamented, "That costs more than the console!" as if that's the only metric to go by.

The CSR Elite and ClubSport Wheel are aimed at the crazy enthusiasts. Those like me who aren't the best racers, but enjoy the gear almost as much as the racing and value quality and immersion. And also very talented, very serious racers who will buy the best gear if they notice improvements in lap times.

English is not my native language, so i might not have read everything correctly or missed something in this topic.

1. Is the CSR elite currently in beta testing?
2. If the answer is yes, how long since you have the wheel ?
3. Are there any (big) problems with the wheel, which could delay the production?

I'm realy thinking about selling my CSR wheel and buying an CSR Elite (for xbox only)

1. It's currently in beta testing. A few people here (and I'm sure several other people elsewhere) are testing pre production units.

2. The people here have probably had the wheel for about a week.

3. Your answers will come soon enough. There's an embargo on leaking information until the tests have come to a close. I'm not sure exactly when that is, but expect a flood of info around that time.
 
For the record forza wasn't out when my review was published as far as I remember and I did my best to get an early copy exploring a few avenues including emailing t10 and all UK retailers although I new it was very unlikely that I would get a reply.

And your right I have a long way to go in terms of getting more hardcore racers to like my reviews as I suppose they do seem a bit mainstream for sone people. I will hopefully rectify that in future reviews.

Although i am proud if my first attempt in sone ways

AFM7, please don't take personally anything I am about to say about your review. I couldn't do any better myself. English is my second language so I'm already in disadvantage.


Your review was simplistic and shallow. It did not provide any new information that user on this board already know. If you are going to come to gtplanet.net, you have to be prepare to be critique. It's the nature of the beast. I hope you are not offended by my comments. They are only meant to be as constructive criticism .
 
Even the Logitech G27 is considered an enthusiast product. In the grand scheme of things, sim racing is a niche in the gaming market. Most gamers look at the G27 and think it's outrageously priced, while sim racers think it's a good value at $250 USD. When the T500 RS was announced the "unwashed masses" lamented, "That costs more than the console!" as if that's the only metric to go by.

The CSR Elite and ClubSport Wheel are aimed at the crazy enthusiasts. Those like me who aren't the best racers, but enjoy the gear almost as much as the racing and value quality and immersion. And also very talented, very serious racers who will buy the best gear if they notice improvements in lap times.



1. It's currently in beta testing. A few people here (and I'm sure several other people elsewhere) are testing pre production units.

2. The people here have probably had the wheel for about a week.

3. Your answers will come soon enough. There's an embargo on leaking information until the tests have come to a close. I'm not sure exactly when that is, but expect a flood of info around that time.

I dont think that the betat testers from gtplanet already received their beta wheels last week. thomas was in china on monday to check if the units are good and then they wanted to give it to the reviewers.. But I think it will be in 2 weeks because they decided to invite even more testers at ISR forums and iRacing forums and they will start a poll on friday.. So its a long process ..^^
 
My mistake Caz

AFM7, please don't take personally anything I am about to say about your review. I couldn't do any better myself. English is my second language so I'm already in disadvantage.


Your review was simplistic and shallow. It did not provide any new information that user on this board already know. If you are going to come to gtplanet.net, you have to be prepare to be critique. It's the nature of the beast. I hope you are not offended by my comments. They are only meant to be as constructive criticism .

Not offended atall.

Shallow maybe not the correct word imo as I didn't suck up to fanatec. I genuinely didn't find any issues other than the two minor ones outlined. So their wasn't a lot to critisise
 
Sorry Noobs, nothing yet on when reviews can be released..

I already have done over 20 hours testing though and made a list of things to put in the report.

thx look forward to your feedback Mr Latte.

anyone knows if/when the "BMW CSW Elite wheel" will ever be released (not sure what the real name is)? I only ever saw that crazy video, but no news since then? was it a hoax? hoping not
 
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details? where did you see that confirmed?

In the video you saw. Why else would Thomas announce a partnership with BMW and show a wheel? You can't joke about that stuff and use BMW name just like that.
Besides there are still many wheels to come. The formula and BMW rims are available at release I believe. Plus I hear lots of talk about the F1 rim, but never saw a source of that. I'll trust the people here though.
 
I read that replacement rims will likely also be offered for the CSR Elite wheel. Is there any news or rumors as to what these rims will be and if they will be available at release or not.
 
My mistake Caz



Not offended atall.

Shallow maybe not the correct word imo as I didn't suck up to fanatec. I genuinely didn't find any issues other than the two minor ones outlined. So their wasn't a lot to critisise

I hesitate to even respond as this has gone on far too long, but I hope it will be taken constructively. I have no bone in this and I may not agree with Mr. Latte's persistent communication style with it, but I do understand his points and those of Symtex. The shallow refers not to criticism of Fanatec, but rather that your review read like a summary of previously published reports and reviews. It lacked structure and a detailed approach. It was not clear what you independently verified versus what you read and were repeated.

You had the chance to post the first hands on user review of the CSR and I think you rushed it too much.

I hope that you do take the feedback objectively and constructively and I look forward to reading your next effort.

I wont post on this topic again as I don't want to prolong it.
 
For the record i didnt read any reviews prior to writing my own so the fact mine is similar to others has nothing to do with copying.

Although I did watch ISR

Anyway let's end this
 
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So...are there any firmware updates to the CSR wheels, as of late? I thought I read where Fanatec (Thomas) had been working on one.
 
I would like to know if the CSR wheel has weak "Rumble Effects".
For instance does the rumble effect of the ABS in the wheel rim feel much stronger than in game rumble?

Maybe amf can relate to his GT2 how the CSR rumble compared and also Id like to know amf about the brake pedal on the CSR pedals. You said it was stiff, how does it in your own experience the CSR brake pedal feel to the CSP. What did you think of the different pedal distances/positions compared to the CSP and which pedals felt more comfortable to you? Like are the springs similar, or different?

I dont recall you going into such detail and well wouldnt that of been good stuff to comment on.
 
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So...are there any firmware updates to the CSR wheels, as of late? I thought I read where Fanatec (Thomas) had been working on one.

Nothing has been released yet. I'd imagine it should be right around the corner as I tested a couple beta versions for Thomas a couple weeks ago and I'm still currently running a beta version right now on my CSR and it's worked flawless so far.

Mr Latte
I would like to know if the CSR wheel has weak "Rumble Effects".
For instance does the rumble effect of the ABS in the wheel rim feel much stronger than in game rumble?

I don't know if it's different on a PC but with PS3 and Xbox there are no rumble effects when you use the ABS tuning function of the wheel. I don't know why it's like that but I've read with the consoles something about engaging the ABS tuning of the wheel negates the shock effects from functioning. I've never tested it with the ABS tuning off to see what the rumble effects are like.

I can confirm the vibration effects feel stronger on the CSR compared to my PWTS. I'd have to attribute that to the wheel itself having less mass than the PWTS which likely dampens the effects. Same can be said for the FFB effects compared to my PWTS......they feel a bit stronger but the biggest difference is the subtle effects......you feel a lot more of the twitch effects and such compared to the PWTS. Again......I'm sure the reduction in wheel mass has a lot to do with that.
 
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Yeah but that was clearly for the CSW which supports a staggering 111 buttons and is beyond godlike.

We were talking about the BMW rim at first for the CSW and if it would became available or if it was a joke on Thomas's side. So amf7 responded to my comment about that. ;)

Sounds hopeful though, if you already call the CSW godlike when you are or are going to test the CSR Elite. ghehe

I wonder if I would be able to drift with that BMW rim though, as it's flat on the bottom. Ah well, it'll have to do until Thomas gives us a nice round rim for drifting. :P
 
I can confirm the vibration effects feel stronger on the CSR compared to my PWTS. I'd have to attribute that to the wheel itself having less mass than the PWTS which likely dampens the effects. Same can be said for the FFB effects compared to my PWTS......they feel a bit stronger but the biggest difference is the subtle effects......you feel a lot more of the twitch effects and such compared to the PWTS. Again......I'm sure the reduction in wheel mass has a lot to do with that.

Belt might be also better with new wheels. And also the fact that you can tighten the belt if needed. And of course your PWTS might be bit worn out like my wheel at this point.
 
The rumble effect is their but its very weak. You notice if your gripping the wheel fairly loosely but when I did fast laps I couldn't tell tbh.

The pedal is definitely stiff and I thought you had the pedals?? But I found it similar from experience although I couldn't be sure if I'm honest as it has been a good few months since I tried the csp. As you have both what was your opinion?? As I am not totally sure why you asked me.

Oh and I would have liked more resistance on throttle.
 
I don't know if it's different on a PC but with PS3 and Xbox there are no rumble effects when you use the ABS tuning function of the wheel. I don't know why it's like that but I've read with the consoles something about engaging the ABS tuning of the wheel negates the shock effects from functioning. I've never tested it with the ABS tuning off to see what the rumble effects are like.

I can confirm the vibration effects feel stronger on the CSR compared to my PWTS. I'd have to attribute that to the wheel itself having less mass than the PWTS which likely dampens the effects. Same can be said for the FFB effects compared to my PWTS......they feel a bit stronger but the biggest difference is the subtle effects......you feel a lot more of the twitch effects and such compared to the PWTS. Again......I'm sure the reduction in wheel mass has a lot to do with that.

Thanks...
I will have usage of my friends CSR this weekend to compare to the CSRE. I agree with you on the PWTS. The new rim does improve things and while people have commented on its reduced weight I will have upcoming videos that highlight the differences in speed and take a closer look at benefits the CSR has over older Porsche rims.


The rumble effect is their but its very weak. You notice if your gripping the wheel fairly loosely but when I did fast laps I couldn't tell tbh.

What games was it weak on? Did you find different games or a different console that it changed?


The pedal is definitely stiff and I thought you had the pedals?? But I found it similar from experience although I couldn't be sure if I'm honest as it has been a good few months since I tried the csp. As you have both what was your opinion?? As I am not totally sure why you asked meOh and I would have liked more resistance on throttle.

Yes I do have both pedals but I was asking your feedback...
Ive yet to do a proper test comparing each pedal and examining them closely.

The reason I asked you is beause you tested and reviewed the wheel, yet seem to get a little defensive when anyone criticises it for lack of depth or detail. You certainly didnt really go into detail or make a comparison to the CSP.

Thats all part of doing a good review is providing additional information or details and then giving your opinion on the differences of each product towards making a personal conclusion. Like for instance how did tuning the CSRE pedals feel to the CSP, can you do the same things, is the end result very similar, do the new pedals feel different, the CSRE pedals are spaced more like the T500 pedals, whats your thoughts on that, better/worse. What about the CSRE Pedal base, what can be done with it that cant be done on the CSP, what are all the holes for?

Thats just an example of things you could of covered particulary as your site proclaims to offer a "no.1 resource for wheel reviews". It is only in your own interest is it not to then do much better?

As others have said your review just reads like information that is already available and is compiled together. I dont see you actually doing much regards indepth testing and trying to form a general analysis of your own. I find it amusing how your intend to offer a good review site if you cant take the first golden oppertunity in getting the CSR for review and produce what you have. You should be criticised different to others as others are not trying to promote themselves or their websites. From an individual review it was fine, from a "wheel website perspective" it was indeed shallow.

Now you cant remember how the pedals feel compared to the CSP, well what a surprise. That is exactly why your own reviews will always be lacking if you cannot directly compare things particulary as your position isnt just as a owner of a product but wanting to be seen as a reviewer.

Ask yourself what did people learn or get from your review that wasnt already known or been highlighted elsewhere. Regardless of what I do, I personally think you will see the 3 lucky guys here on GT Planet that won the voting will produce something a bit more substantial in their CSRE reviews.

The thing is and this is not disrespectful but I believe many people on these forums that own multiple wheels and have a great deal of knowledge and experience in this field of products. Many of them I would say are in a better position than you with what they already own/purchased to offer more detailed reviews yet are they trying to be seen as owners of a "website for reviews".

For me I dont see how your in a position (yet) to provide a good "wheel review" website.
 
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Your lucky that you have so many friends with thr latest gear. If I need to borrow things I have to rely on the.post.

Edit: I have to say I agree with you on all your points except maybe the bit about in depth testing... However I sadly do not have the money to buy all the products. I intend to buy a the csp and CSW wheel together soon though so I will be bolstering my arsenal. And it is good when you do critism like that as you don't take the mick LOL although I still wish it was done via pm :)

I cannot buy a wheel for the sake of it. Maybe I should introduce Google adwords to create an income to do this.?? As then I have a way of affording wheels for the sake if my site.

Edit 2: Thomas you could maybe clear things up on the rim front?
 
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Your lucky that you have so many friends with thr latest gear. If I need to borrow things I have to rely on the.post.

Edit: I have to say I agree with you on all your points except maybe the bit about in depth testing... However I sadly do not have the money to buy all the products. I intend to buy a the csp and CSW wheel together soon though so I will be bolstering my arsenal. And it is good when you do critism like that as you don't take the mick LOL although I still wish it was done via pm :)

So tell me exactly why people on here are going to grow to respect your input and position regards having a "wheel review website" if your actually not in a position or even as good a one as some members here regards having the required hardware to do full comparisons and detailed reviews?

This has been my issue with you from the start. Your trying to do/become something you arnt yet in a position to do fully. It just cant work without your own personal investment and collection of hardware.

I do like your determination and passion for the products but you need more than that. This isnt a private matter so no need for PM it is discussion on your review and your own intentions to be seen on these forums as an owner of a "review website & forums".

Why do you need a website? Why cant your reviews be in the forums instead. You want to be a respected community member yet promote people to your own website and forums so you can goto a company and say oh look my website gets xxxx views a week can you send me stuff to review. Err thats what you did isnt it?

So part of my annoyance with you is that your using the community here to promote your own website to get hardware for reviews. We have our own bunch of people that contineously buy products or do "owner reviews" for our passion and hobby discussed here. We discuss and do that because its what we like to do, not however for some other motive or personal gain.
 
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I haven't promoted my site in here Formonths... My Sig yes but not actively promoting and my kit will start growing soon.
 
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I only come here as I enjoy discussing and using the hardware, sharing other peoples interests and keeping up with products and games.

Can't believe you turned down a CSR at high discount.
Oh you numpty even if you didnt like/want it you could of sold it for an easy £100 profit.
Still think you would of been best keeping it to err build up your arsenal?

Your sig doesnt really stand out, tbh I never noticed it.. :)
 
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BTW.. I still have it in my garage as UPS are collecting on Monday :)
I agree and i thought about buying and selling but I don't know what fanatec would have thought had I decided to do it..

And I to love sim racing and I only play driving games and a bit if la noire and gta5 Hehehe
 
That's a good question... I remember seeing on the BMW launch vid that he was using the shifter but it loooked mounted to the rig
 
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