Fanatec CSR Elite rim poll

[Fanatec...]

The material on the picture is actually suede leather. Alcantara has several advantages over suede leather. It can be cleaned more easy and absorbs more sweat. It is by far not as sensitive as suede leather. Alcantara is also by far more expensive than suede leather. As all race drivers use gloves, there is no need for Alcantara in a race car but Porsche had a good reason to use Alcantara in their 911 GT3 RS and 911 GT2 sport cars.

So if suede leather is already good for you than Alcantara is even better.

But I like the idea of a future wheel rim where you can exchange the letaher parts and choose different materials and colours or replace the normal wear you have.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

net warrior? *cough*hippocrite.

If you haven't realized it yet. This is quite serious. As it influences Thomas' decision to make my $900 wheel better (I'm in Australia). Of course I'm going to argue my case. What did you expect?

Argue what case? The majority don't see it the way you do, if you want to be serious about this. Hypocrite (that's how it is spelled) first off, let's get that out of the way and if you're going to use words like that explain how I am. Australia, ah I see, now it makes sense.

I didn't have any grand expectations because I didn't come here for a debate to be honest. However, when people tend to get the facts wrong and then act snide about it, that's different. Of course I'm going to be smart alec about it. Also since you were blinded by my comments toward you instead of overall, you would have seen that I asked for people of both aisles to have the ability to choose their finish. Thus solving the problem more so than picking one overall material and stopping people from having this ego complex when others don't see it there way. Perhaps if you didn't come here responding as if we all don't know what we're talking about in the first place, then you wouldn't have this issue. Everyone is entitled to their preference, but when others think it's alright to bash someone's choice that is an issue.

We use gloves on the Alacantara because it has proven results consistently when racing over say a leather or plain rubber finish. It may be hard for you to believe but just so happens that is how it is.

The material on the picture is actually suede leather. Alcantara has several advantages over suede leather. It can be cleaned more easy and absorbs more sweat. It is by far not as sensitive as suede leather. Alcantara is also by far more expensive than suede leather. As all race drivers use gloves, there is no need for Alcantara in a race car but Porsche had a good reason to use Alcantara in their 911 GT3 RS and 911 GT2 sport cars.

So if suede leather is already good for you than Alcantara is even better.

But I like the idea of a future wheel rim where you can exchange the letaher parts and choose different materials and colours or replace the normal wear you have.

As many of us hinted at earlier, before the arguments started up. Also proving another thing that was said by me and others. If this material didn't have some sort of quality over challenging finishes, then why produce and sell it. Why put in the R&D work if leather or suede-leather is better, but this has just been answered so hopefully we can move on (doubt it though).

Also it's good to hear you are up for buyer personalization.

 

[Vinceton]

Everyone is entitled to their preference,

Practice what you preach.

There's nothing wrong with any material really when used in the appropriate application. From the cheapest, softest metal, to hard diamond, there's an application for it. Did I not mention my experience with polyester in my earlier post. This material is damn awesome in sports. But I'd wouldn't want to wear it for anything else. Cotton is awesome, but I wouldn't wear that for sports.

To have this 1 magic material that's assumed to work for everyone... that just doesn't fly by me.

 

[superbike81]

As many of us hinted at earlier, before the arguments started up. Also proving another thing that was said by me and others. If this material didn't have some sort of quality over challenging finishes, then why produce and sell it. Why put in the R&D work if leather or suede-leather is better, but this has just been answered so hopefully we can move on (doubt it though).

Also it's good to hear you are up for buyer personalization.

Since I was a kid, we've always called it Alcantara even if it was technically different, it felt so near the same that we just always called it Alcantara. Kinda like people call a tissue a "Kleenex" even though it's just a single brand name.



But as I said before, there is a reason that so many supercars, hypercars, and race cars use materials like this, because it works and it works very well, better than leather ever will. Most street cars use leather still because it feels more comfortable in bare hands, but that doesn't mean it's better in any way. I've enjoyed Alcantara so much over the years that I even convert most of my "sporty" street cars to an Alcantara wheel. Here's my last one in my 08 Civic Type R. If you look closely, I did the shift knob as well, once you get used to it, it feels great. When I do take my street cars for track days, I put on the gloves and the grip is as good as any race car I've had in the past.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

Practice what you preach.

There's nothing wrong with any material really when used in the appropriate application. From the cheapest, softest metal, to hard diamond, there's an application for it. Did I not mention my experience with polyester in my earlier post. This material is damn awesome in sports. But I'd wouldn't want to wear it for anything else. Cotton is awesome, but I wouldn't wear that for sports.

To have this 1 magic material that's assumed to work for everyone... that just doesn't fly by me.

No one is saying it fits for everyone, did you just read that one line and go on this rant? Obviously you did, I just showed you and told you how I asked before we got into this spat for selection so people don't cry foul. You seem to obviously think that I and others are trying to force alcantara down your throat when in reality if you'd read more, you'd see we aren't in the slightest.

I don't have to practice because I am doing it. That argument wasn't you should get it because we say. No, the argument was you were wrong about it not working great with gloves, that was the argument. Don't confuse it then pass it off as we are trying to belittle your ability of choice.

Also it seems others agree with me or it is implied through there response that you're rude and going about this in an ill manner that is only going to get you smart ass replies.

Since I was a kid, we've always called it Alcantara even if it was technically different, it felt so near the same that we just always called it Alcantara. Kinda like people call a tissue a "Kleenex" even though it's just a single brand name.



But as I said before, there is a reason that so many supercars, hypercars, and race cars use materials like this, because it works and it works very well, better than leather ever will.

Exactly, glad to hear some more informed insight on it.

Off topic but also glad that I can agree with you and not debate you like we seem to do a lot on the F1 threads.

 

[superbike81]

Off topic but also glad that I can agree with you and not debate you like we seem to do a lot on the F1 threads.

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Debating things like accident fault, driver quality, team quality, etc is very subjective so can get much more heated.

The only time discussions like this one become arguments is when someone who is ignorant (or at best uninformed) to the subject they are discussing. These ones are easy until you get someone confusing their personal opinions for facts.

 

[Vinceton]

Arguments happen when both parties are really passionate about the subject.

 

[superbike81]

Passionately ignorant?

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

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Debating things like accident fault, driver quality, team quality, etc is very subjective so can get much more heated.

The only time discussions like this one become arguments is when someone who is ignorant (or at best uninformed) to the subject they are discussing. These ones are easy until you get someone confusing their personal opinions for facts.

Which seems to be the issue at this point, and yes you are right about the subjectivity of F1 events .

 

[Vinceton]

Passionately ignorant?

No one gets to know all the facts. If they did, politics world wide would be perfect.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

Arguments happen when both parties are really passionate about the subject.

Being wrong and thus proven wrong isn't passionate. More so it becomes a tedious task of trying to show you why you're wrong over and over. It's one thing to not like the material, that's great and I agree I like leather a lot as well. Yet that is subjective, off of using different wheel I have found that the alcantara is more effective consitantly than a rubber or leather one.

 

[Vinceton]

Yeah you keep telling yourself you're right and I'm wrong. Tell it to yourself long enough and it might come true.

I just wanted to state my opinion that it doesn't work for me, that I sweat too much. If that makes me wrong, then ok.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

Yeah you keep telling yourself you're right and I'm wrong. Tell it to yourself long enough and it might come true.

I just wanted to state my opinion that it doesn't work for me, that I sweat too much. If that makes me wrong, then ok.

Don't need to, the poll and others are verifying it, you're just trolling at this point to get a reaction.

 

[Spike125]

On the topic, nice to see that the GT rim is more desired then the Formula.
I would grant everyone their wish, but it seems the selection of CSR-E rims will be quite restricted so it's nice to see the GT style ahead
I still hope we get both and not one as the condition of the success of the other.

 

[superbike81]

Yeah you keep telling yourself you're right and I'm wrong. Tell it to yourself long enough and it might come true.

I just wanted to state my opinion that it doesn't work for me, that I sweat too much. If that makes me wrong, then ok.

Your opinion is not wrong, it's your opinion and you have your right to it. You have every right to like regular leather more than Alcantara/Ultrasuede or whatever other material.

But you absolutely were wrong when you said Alcantara wasn't used for enhanced grip. You actually compared it bowling shoes, which has nothing to do with it, since bowling shoes allow you to slide, not grip.

You don't have to publicly admit you were wrong about that, because we all already know.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

Your opinion is not wrong, it's your opinion and you have your right to it. You have every right to like regular leather more than Alcantara/Ultrasuede or whatever other material.

But you absolutely were wrong when you Alcantara wasn't used for enhanced grip. You actually compared it bowling shoes, which has nothing to do with it, since bowling shoes allow you to slide, not grip.

You don't have to publicly admit you were wrong about that, because we all already know.

Exactly again. As I told the user, the argument once again wasn't centered around what you can choose or not, but rather that the grip factor is greater than the field it competes with. This is only amplified when you wear gloves.

 

[Vinceton]

That was just my experience. I get the same grip with gloves on rubber or plastic or alcantara. Maybe it's my hold, or my gloves. Or am I also not allowed to my own personal experience in addition to my opinion?
Ok I went overboard when I laughed about it. Sorry for that. But that doesn't make my experience wrong.

 

[superbike81]

With racing gloves and an Alcantara (or similar material) wheel, I can stop the wheel with light pressure using ONE FINGER as it spins back to center at full speed. Try that with or without gloves on a leather wheel, won't happen.

Proper gloves + Alcantara/Suede = Grip like no other.

Gloves with leather inserts grip very well on the Alcantara/Suede as well, like these:

 

[Spagetti69]

They don't look very practical for twiddling analogue sticks and finding buttons etc.

 

[Richvw]

A Rally style rim will definitely not happen so perhaps it would make sense to delete that choice in order to get more realistic results.

Can this be done, any advice anyone ?

 

[superbike81]

They don't look very practical for twiddling analogue sticks and finding buttons etc.

Gloves like this give you excellent feel, even for small buttons and analogue sticks. My gloves are an older Sparco model, but very very similar to these, and they work excellent for racing games and real driving.

 

[lemansfanatic]

Passionately ignorant?

No thats just what causes people to get married

 

[fatkrakr]

Superbike and lmscorvette its fine you guys prefer alcantara and even made a few good points, but when you start calling him ignorant and other names thats where your wrong. He dosent agree with you or admit you are right and he is wrong so hes ignorant? There are a couple ignorant people in this post, but it isnt him. The debate was all good until that point. When you couldnt get your way you start calling names. Real mature guys.

 

[HoiHman]

I like the current rim and probably won't buy another unless it's pretty special and I'm not sure what that would be.

I like the current rim too, but i would pay up to 100 bucks for the same wheel, but with better build quality and better materials.

 

[superbike81]

Superbike and lmscorvette its fine you guys prefer alcantara and even made a few good points, but when you start calling him ignorant and other names thats where your wrong. He dosent agree with you or admit you are right and he is wrong so hes ignorant? There are a couple ignorant people in this post, but it isnt him. The debate was all good until that point. When you couldnt get your way you start calling names. Real mature guys.

What's so difficult about this to understand?

He claimed that the potential for increased grip is laughable and was proven wrong. What else besides ignorance do you want me to call that? Calling someone ignorant isn't always a bad thing, I'm ignorant to facts about dirt track oval racing, so I'm not going to join a conversation and pretend I know what I'm talking about. I would fully expect someone to call me ignorant if I started making incorrect assumptions and claims. No one attacked his preferences, he can like whatever he wants.

 

[Raitziger]

The most important thing for me is that rim is round and about 340mm in diameter.

 

[superbike81]

Thomas has already quoted that the BMW GT wheel for the CSW will be 320mm, also a couple of the beta testers who already have the wheel have said the same thing. I would expect if they do release a GT wheel for the CSR-E that it will likely be the same size. Just a guess though.

 

[JogoAsobi]

Whatever material/style is chosen, please leave the sandwich construction and rim circumference seams out of the design like the CSR and CSR E have. That is the biggest reason I elected to not purchase either one.

 

[ibuycheap]

Superbike and lmscorvette its fine you guys prefer alcantara and even made a few good points, but when you start calling him ignorant and other names thats where your wrong. He dosent agree with you or admit you are right and he is wrong so hes ignorant? There are a couple ignorant people in this post, but it isnt him. The debate was all good until that point. When you couldnt get your way you start calling names. Real mature guys.

It seems as though the ignorant are defending the ignorant. You still seem to think Alcantara is cheap and only used for its flame retardant properties.

 

[fatkrakr]

Its not that expensive compared to other products. A bit more but not alot. Ill say again it is used in race cars for its fire resitant properties. If it give more grip on the wheel it was a bonus. I can find some proof to back my claims up can you?