Fanatec CSR Elite rim poll

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But the thing is, we are sim racers, we don't have to worry much about it's fire resistance, so discussing those properties is pointless. We are worried about grip more than fire. Alcantara provides the best grip for a sim racing wheel (and a real race car wheel). I can back that up with evidence too.
 
I just stated why its used in racecars, you guys are the ones who tried to say its used for its grip, and wear propeties. That isnt why its used though.
 
fatkrakr
Its not that expensive compared to other products. A bit more but not alot. Ill say again it is used in race cars for its fire resitant properties. If it give more grip on the wheel it was a bonus. I can find some proof to back my claims up can you?
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A bit more? You said it was "not expensive" $70 a yard is expensive. You haven't backed up your claims at all you just spout ignorant opinions.
 
fatkrakr
I just stated why its used in racecars, you guys are the ones who tried to say its used for its grip, and wear propeties. That isnt why its used though.
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IT IS USED IN RACE CARS FOR GRIP AS WELL.

Why don't you get that?

Please tell me, what real life racing series have you ever raced in? I was never a champion, but I've got enough real life racing experience (almost 20 years in mostly open wheel and some others) to know that the material is amazing for grip compared to traditional leather.

What material grips better (when using racing gloves of course) than Alcantara/Suede or similar material?
 
superbike81
IT IS USED IN RACE CARS FOR GRIP AS WELL.

Why don't you get that?

Please tell me, what real life racing series have you ever raced in? I was never a champion, but I've got enough real life racing experience (almost 20 years in mostly open wheel and some others) to know that the material is amazing for grip compared to traditional leather.

What material grips better (when using racing gloves of course) than Alcantara/Suede or similar material?
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Never stated it didnt provide more grip. Im sure it does. Still doesnt change why its used in racecars.
 
Your link is broken.

No one is doubting that is has flame-resistant properties. But what you aren't understanding is that it provides the best grip available for a wheel while wearing racing gloves. Safety is paramount in racing, however, if they were only concerned with fire safety and not grip, they would have just made the wheels out of the same material my hood and suit are made from, Nomex.

Do you understand that?

I'm telling you from the perspective of a (former) real-life amateur race car driver (Formula Ford and Formula Continental mostly). The material grips like no other. That should be all the proof you need, but you seem to just be trolling for an argument. Is that what this is?
 
No Im just stating why its used. Why cant you understand. I got the grip thing its great better than anything else. Still doesnt change why its used. You can argue great grip all you want will not change why its used.
 
fatkrakr
Never stated it didnt provide more grip. Im sure it does. Still doesnt change why its used in racecars.
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You seem to lack reading comprehension skills. Your own link undermines your previous commentary on how it is not a luxury material. Yet: "Alcantara has applications including furniture,[5] clothing, jewelry, helmets and automotive"

So are these uses just for flame retardant purposes as well.

"Some versions are designated as flame retardant in order to meet certain fire standards for both furnishings and automobile applications"

Most likely not because not all variants of Alcantara have that capacity.

This ignorance is approaching absurdity this is just trolling.
 
fatkrakr
No Im just stating why its used. Why cant you understand. I got the grip thing its great better than anything else. Still doesnt change why its used. You can argue great grip all you want will not change why its used.
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Like I said, if it was only fire safety they were concerned with, there are MUCH better materials to use than Alcantara. They used this specific material for both qualities, the grip and the fire-resistant properties.
 
Im trolling because you cant prove its used for its grip. As for my link proving me wrong its states clearly why its in a racecar. Dont care what else they use it for. It is used as a flame retardant in furniture also. Dont see how that makes it a high end material either. My truck headliner is cloth does that make it expensive material also. Again please stop with the insults.
 
It's very easy to prove it's used for grip. Just look around, it's everywhere.

Alcantara is used in the grip sections of steering wheels, it's used in high-end racing gloves in the grip area.

Also, again, I've told you that from a long-time real-life racing driver (amateur) it does provide significantly better grip.
 
Hey guys. We are just playing games with cars. Life is complicated and serious enough to fight for things like that.
At the end I understand what to do. Some guys like leather , some guys like Alcantara (or even suede leather) and others rubber. People have different tastes and preferences.

Welcome to the world of product management.
 
Exactly, I'm all for choice, and not saying someone shouldn't like leather over Alcantara. This whole stupid argument shouldn't even exist.
 
Argument, debate, discussion, or whatever else you want to call it is fine.

The reason it became that way is because you kept insisting that Alcantara isn't used for increased grip when it's plainly obvious that it is. Evidence is everywhere, you just chose to ignore it for some reason.
 
I havent ignored anything. Ive said it a few times I believe you when you say it has more grip. Still not why its in the car. We are probably gonna have to agree to disagree on this topic though, because now where going in circles.
 
If it's not in the car for grip, then why do manufacturers spend extra money to put in the GRIP sections of steering wheels?

One example of hundreds out there:

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It is in that car purely for looks. Thats the only reason no other just looks. If it gives more grip than leather thats fine. They put it on racing seats for more grip also? I guess so your butt cheeks have something to grab a hold of.
 
Now that just shows you have really never driven a car at track speeds on a real track in your life.

YES, it is put in the sections of seats to provide lateral grip on your body. Under hard cornering you will move in those seats, and you need all the extra grip you can get.

It's not on the wheel purely for looks. It's there for grip.

I now officially give up on trying to teach you, because you aren't allowing yourself to have your per-conceived incorrect notions corrected.

Maybe one day you'll actually drive a car on a real track and then you'll understand just how important it is for grip. If you are going to argue for something, make sure you know what the hell you are talking about first.
 
That goes to show what you know I have had time in a real racecar on a real track. So before you go off thinking you know something might want to get your facts straight. Teach me something you would have to show where it is that makes what you state as fact. Right now you showed a picture and gave your personel opinion. I showed where it clearly stats its in the formula racecars because of its fire retarding properties.
 
I won this argument several posts ago, you are just choosing to ignore the facts due to something you read on Wikipedia.

This is like trying to explain Calculus to my 18 month old son, he just doesn't have the brain capacity to understand. So I don't even try.

I give up, your ignorance has beaten me to a pulp.
 
Man no love for Formula rims around here! I blame GT5! They need more proper open wheelers! At least a proper Indy car DW12

You know- I would've loved a Prototype rim. you know, like the rims in Star Mazda or Acura HPD, etc

They dont have rev limiters. Come on Fanatec I'm sure we can work together to make this happen :D
 
I like Formula rims and would buy one for my Elite. However...Thomas's post on his blog basically implied that Formula was what they were going with and a GT wheel would happen based on the success of that wheel. As I predicted and the poll clearly shows when the question is put that if you can have only one then GT is what the majority wants. Put that out first and then offer a Formula.

If this poll was two choices.....GT or Formula the Formula would be getting crushed right now.

The good thing is Thomas has seen this poll and hopefully it sways him to rethink his original plan of doing a Formula wheel only at this point. Put that on the back burner and give the CSR E crowd what they really want....a proper GT wheel similar to the CSW's BMW wheel.
 
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Funny thing tho if this poll were posted at F1 2011 forums then you'd get Formula rim votes... At rFactor or iRacing it would be closer to a tie or Formula might win. rFactor has a huge formula rim crowd.

But at a Forza 4 or Gt5 forum of course GT rims will win easily. No point in Formula rims being on the poll. forza has no open wheelers and GT5 has only 2 which no one hardly drives
 
Why don't we have steering wheels Covered in glue for grip :sly:

And I believe this poll is pretty misleading for fanatec to make decisions as like sandbox god said, it really is forum specific! Personally I'd prefer a formula over a gt rim!
 
thehawk05
I like Formula rims and would buy one for my Elite. However...Thomas's post on his blog basically implied that Formula was what they were going with and a GT wheel would happen based on the success of that wheel. As I predicted and the poll clearly shows when the question is put that if you can have only one then GT is what the majority wants. Put that out first and then offer a Formula.

If this poll was two choices.....GT or Formula the Formula would be getting crushed right now.

The good thing is Thomas has seen this poll and hopefully it sways him to rethink his original plan of doing a Formula wheel only at this point. Put that on the back burner and give the CSR E crowd what they really want....a proper GT wheel similar to the CSW's BMW wheel.
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Well, the thing is, technically the stock wheel on the CSR-E *could* be considered a "GT" wheel, it's round(ish) and has buttons, so it fits for most GT cars just fine. I'm sure that's how Fanatec is looking at it. So they release the formula style wheel to appease the open-wheel crowd since they don't have a wheel at all with the CSR-E yet. Based on that success, they will then determine if they release the BMW GT style wheel.
 
I'm well aware of that and I'm sure most CSR-E owners agree. The problem is a great deal of people although happy with the functionality of the CSR-E or not happy at all with the stock wheel but went ahead anyway and bought the wheel as it was promised long ago there would other "proper" GT wheels available to replace the stocker.

As I've said before ...I like the CSR-E stock wheel as it is comfortable for me. But I've been of the mindset to replace it the instant a replacement GT wheel was available as I'm sure many others are because it can't be argued that the stock wheel is "cheap" compared to the quality level of the base and I'm reminded of that every time I turn it when the wheel emits cracking and creaking sounds thanks to its all plastic sandwich construction. We all know the CSR-E was fitted with a modded version of the CSR rim for cost measures to meet a set price point as a GT wheel like that for the CSW would have likely added quite a bit more to the price that many considered high already.
 
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fatkrakr
Superbike and lmscorvette its fine you guys prefer alcantara and even made a few good points, but when you start calling him ignorant and other names thats where your wrong. He dosent agree with you or admit you are right and he is wrong so hes ignorant? There are a couple ignorant people in this post, but it isnt him. The debate was all good until that point. When you couldnt get your way you start calling names. Real mature guys.
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What other names did we call him? If ignorant is all that comes to mind and you don't have evidence of anything else than where are these names. He is ignorant because people give him facts and show him how he's wrong yet he still dismisses them as if he knows best. When you make your opinions facts, people are going to go after you it's also apart of AUP not to do that. So why defend him? It seems you don't even understand why we are arguing against him. It is him because when you ignore facts and act like they don't exist you come off as ignorant.

What way? Are you serious!? What way, we aren't trying to get any way. Why can't you guys get this concept?

Let me explain it again
We're arguing him because he doesn't know what he's talking about as far as the properties of Alcantara go. Especially when gloves are used with it.

You and him think we're trying to force Alcantara on him, when in fact we couldn't care less if he uses that type of wheel. What we care about is a user on this thread giving misinformation on alcantara combined with gloves. Yeah we're quite mature, thanks for that. Why would you defend someone who is arguing their opinion against facts? And has been shown by other users that he is wrong, not only me and superbike. Have you bothered to read their posts as well?
 

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