Fanatec CSW/CSR Elite Modders Thread *UPDATE February 2014*

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if i make up a new motor mount to mount a single motor in the center it should avoid that problem.

sheesh, i had a feeling your one would be pretty pricey, will have to wait till i know what motors to go with before i go for the power supply then, thanks eKretz

No I don't think so. The motor in the middle would just rub on both supports rather than the one.

There are variable power supplies available cheaper, but mine is pretty high capacity - 60V x 18A. (Capable of ~70V x 20A max). And I bought mine from a guy on eBay that thought it was broken when I could see in the photos he just didn't have it jumpered right to get it to work. High power = high $$. Sometimes you can parallel the lower capacity variable supplies, but if you don't have need for the variable supply it makes a lot more financial sense to just go with the fixed supply.
 
No I don't think so. The motor in the middle would just rub on both supports rather than the one.

There are variable power supplies available cheaper, but mine is pretty high capacity - 60V x 18A. (Capable of ~70V x 20A max). And I bought mine from a guy on eBay that thought it was broken when I could see in the photos he just didn't have it jumpered right to get it to work. High power = high $$. Sometimes you can parallel the lower capacity variable supplies, but if you don't have need for the variable supply it makes a lot more financial sense to just go with the fixed supply.

I just had a closer look again and you might be able to make a single middle mount work, but it'll be very very close. It is the middle steering axle that will present the obstacle though, not the supports. My earlier statement was going off of memory about the clearance, which wasn't very accurate, LOL. The steering shaft might just barely clear the belt if you get your motor in just the right place, but it's so close I'm not willing to say either way.
 
Ok another update. I had a meeting today with the new motor guy and he showed me some options but nothing that is a drop-in fit yet. He is going to talk to some different motor makers before our next meeting, hopefully next week. I may end up offering a kit with motors, pulleys, motor mount and cooling system all packaged together, that way nobody has to send anything in for modding.
 
Ok another update. I had a meeting today with the new motor guy and he showed me some options but nothing that is a drop-in fit yet. He is going to talk to some different motor makers before our next meeting, hopefully next week. I may end up offering a kit with motors, pulleys, motor mount and cooling system all packaged together, that way nobody has to send anything in for modding.

Is this for the CSW as well, I don't have an Elite any more.
 
BTW for those of you who also do some racing IRL here is a cool mod I have been working on. One of my cars is a Miata and on it I have added a Gran Turismo / Forza inspired view, check it out. I call this a HighMount. It normally runs without tethers so you see nothing of the mounts.

A cool thing I have done here is utilized some optical effects which fool the eye into thinking the speed is higher. In the first scene the speed is up to 45 mph and in the next two it is just 35 mph. But it looks faster, neat eh? I like how this view will show driver inputs with the roof off and how you will be able to see both sides of the car as well as the course or track. Hit the HD button for best quality.




Pretty good idea, reminds me of the mounted booms used for shooting car commercials. Looks great! Good to see you posting again BTW, haven't heard from you in a while.
 
I just had a closer look again and you might be able to make a single middle mount work, but it'll be very very close. It is the middle steering axle that will present the obstacle though, not the supports. My earlier statement was going off of memory about the clearance, which wasn't very accurate, LOL. The steering shaft might just barely clear the belt if you get your motor in just the right place, but it's so close I'm not willing to say either way.

Thats what I thought, you had me confused when you said it would rub on the supports, I did a rough eye scaned line up of it and the centre shaft was my only concern also. There are a few solutions to that problem though. Im starting to think I might go with a single motor design, my stock motors are starting to produce quiet a smell on longer sessions.
 
Thats what I thought, you had me confused when you said it would rub on the supports, I did a rough eye scaned line up of it and the centre shaft was my only concern also. There are a few solutions to that problem though. Im starting to think I might go with a single motor design, my stock motors are starting to produce quiet a smell on longer sessions.

If you end up doing that try to make the motor sit as far toward the outside of the wheel housing as possible so you gain all available clearance. And make sure to parallel the power leads to the motor so you can take advantage of all the available current paths so all the components will have less work to do and less heat buildup. The main problem with switching to a single motor IMO is the lack of available space for length. A workable single motor with enough torque to replace the existing two might not fit well unless you want to leave the case open and/or move the PCB like RacerXX does. A single motor might be a good option though, you'd lose some of the drag from the extra pulley as well.
 
Ok another update. I had a meeting today with the new motor guy and he showed me some options but nothing that is a drop-in fit yet. He is going to talk to some different motor makers before our next meeting, hopefully next week. I may end up offering a kit with motors, pulleys, motor mount and cooling system all packaged together, that way nobody has to send anything in for modding.

Will you send the mod package outside US? If yes, you sold one already 👍:D
 
Will you send the mod package outside US? If yes, you sold one already 👍:D

Sure, but probably not to Nigeria, lol. Too many crazy dudes there who would want help claiming the vast fortune left in the ministry of who-knows-what if someone would just send them a few thousand USD. OH, you don't have a few thousand? How about a few hundred, even that would help. No? Maybe enough for a snack at McDonalds? :banghead: :D
 
That's a generic Lowes-sourced Spring painted Fanatec Orange via a very closely matching Testor paint. I wound up with something around 8x stronger damping in the brake-apply direction and ZERO damping in the brake-release direction. This helps realism / immersion while also helping brake modulation since you can stop a locking wheel more rapidly. The inverted shock is also more easily bleedable and holds it's action better than stock.

Is the spring you used the same as the hiliman one you told me to use for the throttle . Also do you have a guide / instructions on how you did that to the brake setup, might be just what I need to stop locking up in iracing.

Thanks by the way, that spring made the throttle so much better on the clubsports .
 
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Did some new mods. Used a suitcase, a guitar and a mattress.

Did my version of the credit card mod: http://www.avforums.com/threads/fanatec-gear-shifter-mod.1342416/ on my Porsche shifter. Used some hard-wearing plastic cut from an old suitcase, and stuffed every crevice possible in the shifter with foam from a mattress. Managed to get the ball bearing to be partly propelled by foam rather than purely by the spring, and shaved back the bearing casing to relieve a bit more of the loud click. Worked well.

I was also looking for a bit more resonance from the subwoofers under my seat.... something with good acoustics..... maybe an acoustic? Yes, I cut an old unrequired acoustic guitar in half and formed a couple of cases that fit the very specific and awkward space available. Also worked well.

I recommend the shifter mod, not taking any of this too seriously, and forgiving that it's only vaguely on topic.

Also cleaned out some of the slightly over the top grease that was present in my GT3RS. Even that sort of subtle drag reduction was quite noticeable. Recommended.
 
Carson, while I hope that it will be completely eliminated at least to the point that it can no longer be felt, I won't know that for certain until I get some motors to actually try. I just ordered some parts to try out an idea I had for air cooling the motors, I'll let you all know how it works soon and share some pics. I had planned to go in to the shop yesterday and get some more work done on the motor mount and cooling setup but the weather was ridiculous here. We got about 12" of snow and the wind was insane. The county ended up declaring a state of emergency because the plows couldn't keep up with the drifting on the roads - roads were closed all over the place. Today it is more like Siberia than Indiana - the temp outside is -16°F (-27°C), -30°F (-35°C) with wind chill. The car doors are frozen shut like a beast.
 
Thanks for the reply mate.
I thought our weather was bad
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Just a bit of wind and rain
A friends Gran's tea shop destroyed though.
Although your weather sounds worse
 
Hi everybody.

I have an CSR Elite and has a FBB motor which is dead. The wheel is whobbling while it is working. And it can only run at 40% FBB at max, else the wheel reboots :boggled: When i measure the FBB motors the one which i asume is okay uses about 2Amps. The defective uses +7Amps. Not good wheen the powersupply only is 5Amps.

Have written an mail for Fanatec but they don't want to replace since I haven't got the original invoice as I have bought it second hand. :boggled: Would like to buy a new set of motors from them, but they have quite long answering times by mail :boggled:

So guys.. Do you think a pair of these motors could do it? :D

http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-For-MIT...Control_Parts_Accessories&hash=item4d16f94ff0

The size, the shaft and 4500 RPM should be okay as i can read on the net?

I have rebuild my CSR Elite with a quick release, formula rim and a homemade wheel which weighs a bit more than the original. Can't feel FBB is weaker, but do you think that has anything to do with the defective FBB motor?

http://insidesimracing.tv/forums/topic/7284-update-pics-video-of-my-rig-csr-elite-mods-formula-rim/

Thanks.. :cheers:

Best regards Simon
 
Hi Simon, yup, if your wheel reboots and your motor is drawing more than 2.5A you definitely have a motor failure. The motor in your link looks like it would work but I fear it would last about the same amount of time as the originals. Maybe less, maybe more, who knows. These little cheap motors are really overstressed in this application IMO. The heavier wheel may have contributed to the failure but probably not significantly in my opinion. Remember the wheel is a hell of a lot heavier with your hands attached to it, and that is when the motors are being worked the hardest: they are trying to turn the wheel and your hands are holding it mostly stationary. That's full stall, and most motors are not made to do that for any significant amount of time. And these little cheapies especially.

P.S. love your Elite mod, but I think you need a new countersink bit! LOL :D

P.P.S. it would seem to me that with the way these motors are failing the commutator segments must be getting bridged, because of how the stall current jumps on failure. Anybody else have an opinion about that? I wonder if the areas between segments could modded (slots widened/deepened maybe) for longer life. Time for some experimentation.
 
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Thanks eKretz :)

My first choice would be a pair of Bühlers. But cant find them anywhere on the net. Only 1 used :S

Would there be any chance of risk of trying these motors? I mean about burning anything else of than the motors?

Looking forward to hear about the motors you are working on.
Sounds very interesting.

Regards Simon
 
I think not. The only risk is that the stall current would be too high, and that would just drop the voltage and shut off your wheel. I don't remember seeing that spec on the auction description.

P.S. I can give you a link for the Bühler motors if you are really interested.
 
I think not. The only risk is that the stall current would be too high, and that would just drop the voltage and shut off your wheel. I don't remember seeing that spec on the auction description.

P.S. I can give you a link for the Bühler motors if you are really interested.

I have read so many things about motor, does anyone use some Bühlers with stok PSU ?
 
If you have been following the thread, it's all explained. The Bühler motors require modifications to be used. The motors' rear shafts need to be cut shorter, the pulleys need to be bored open for the larger shaft diameter, the motor mount needs to be bored open and re-drilled for the different bolt circle diameter, and you need a new power supply to replace the factory one because the motors are more powerful and draw more amperage. I am trying out a new prototype air cooling system this week that will hopefully eliminate the heat fade that many experience. All of this still fits in the stock wheel housing other than the air pump for cooling which will be external and plumbed to the wheel housing with quick-disconnect fittings.

I am currently in the middle of modding motors and related parts for 2 guys from the forum. After they get their wheels going again I'm sure they will report in on how they like it.
 
Tank you for the detailed answer. I know that Bühler motors do not have the same size than stock ones. But I have read about specific psu that with a given input can output almost any voltage but I don't want to mod the pcb. So modding pulleys, I think I can, but electronic :S
 
There is no modding to the PCB necessary. Just have to plug in a replacement power supply with the same voltage but capable of more amperage. The power supply is external - the brick that plugs into your wall outlet and the wheel.
 
Did some new mods. Used a suitcase, a guitar and a mattress.

Did my version of the credit card mod: http://www.avforums.com/threads/fanatec-gear-shifter-mod.1342416/ on my Porsche shifter. Used some hard-wearing plastic cut from an old suitcase, and stuffed every crevice possible in the shifter with foam from a mattress. Managed to get the ball bearing to be partly propelled by foam rather than purely by the spring, and shaved back the bearing casing to relieve a bit more of the loud click. Worked well.

I was also looking for a bit more resonance from the subwoofers under my seat.... something with good acoustics..... maybe an acoustic? Yes, I cut an old unrequired acoustic guitar in half and formed a couple of cases that fit the very specific and awkward space available. Also worked well.

I recommend the shifter mod, not taking any of this too seriously, and forgiving that it's only vaguely on topic.

Also cleaned out some of the slightly over the top grease that was present in my GT3RS. Even that sort of subtle drag reduction was quite noticeable. Recommended.
I have an old velodyne 12-inch sub that originally had a brittle speaker surround installed in it (look up "uld-12 speaker surround disintegration" and you will see what I mean) that I'm looking to get rid of and/or make in to a enclosed & powered transducer. It's been sitting dormant for over a year now though, and I doubt I'll find the time to either replace the surround or package it in to my rig.
If you are interested, I believe it would act as a great transducer for a variety of reasons.
If you aren't familiar with a servo regulated subwoofer, read up a bit on it. It's characteristics would make it ideal for a purpose such as this. I won't bore you with too many details except to say, you can run it without the surround (or the cone for that matter) without damaging it because of the servo, and uld stands for "ultra-low distortion", finally, it's self enclosed, powered, and made by velodyne... Which means it's going to babe more accurate with less adjustment than anything on the market (ok, anything under $2k on the market) now (even if it is 20 years later).
If you are interested, shoot me a pm, if you aren't, does anyone have any prep suggestions for converting a sub in to a transducer (basically make it so that the "Boom" of the speaker is dampened or negated?
I know that removing the cone is going to be necessary to cut down on the noise of the transducer, but should I replace it with something like what buttkicker & the like have mounted to the magnet on the bottom? Also, I believe I should mount it so that the speaker cone (if it were there) is facing up, with just enough clearance so that it does not start trying to punch through the bottom of my racing seat. Lastly, do you think it is wise to leave it in the lead injected (heavy as f%*# btw) enclosure, or install it in free space?
Thanks for y'all's help..
...Americans should be used to that because probably most of the products have only 1-year warranty that even cost a lot more and there doesn't seem to be a problem buying those (hint Apple :)).
Ok, so I agree with you about consumer protection law/policy in the US. It's aweful, but of the consumer electronics companies I've had the "pleasure" of dealing with here, apple is one of the best in terms of RMA's, troubleshooting, and warranty duration. They offer a 3 year FACTORY warranty, on all products for between 150-350 bucks, which isn't all that bad considering they replace hardware "no-questions asked", and purchase price-to-warranty-cost is about 10-1 or better. I mean, yeah, you pay the "apple tax" at the apple store, but if you are patient, you can get a refurbished unit that's marked up only around 8-10 present and clearance units that are only marked up the typical (for consumer electronics anyway) 2-4 percent.
I mention all of this because fanatec and (to a lesser extent) apple both offer excellent support considering the alternatives available.

Tank you for the detailed answer. I know that Bühler motors do not have the same size than stock ones. But I have read about specific psu that with a given input can output almost any voltage but I don't want to mod the pcb. So modding pulleys, I think I can, but electronic :S
just curious, why, with the larger motors, are y'all still bothering with the pulleys? Surely there has to be a direct-drive encoder-motor you could hotwire to the fanatec pcb...
 
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