Fanatec CSW/CSR Elite Modders Thread *UPDATE February 2014*
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It gives them a good excuse to swap out the motors. If they had of simply created a new model with different motors it would have been clear that the motors in the original weren't up to task. By creating a new wheel base with support for next generation consoles they can include better motors as part of that upgrade and nobody will question it.
I can't wait to find out the full details, my PayPal account is ready to go.
I can't wait to find out the full details, my PayPal account is ready to go.
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Thanks for info Eric, ok so 3 rib belt it is then unless I swap pullies etc as well? Is quality of those belts pretty much equal or differs to the better?
Regarding that bet, new CSW vs Buhler mod I don´t know since I have yet to test the product but my bet would be Buhlers anyway. Don´t think it´s Thomas business model to invest in that type of pricey quality motors but that´s just me, brushless or not and suspect it would cut into profits too much. If they really wanna swap motors why not design a new PCB and just smack in new brushless motors in the already existing wheel base with no further modifications, if that is possible I mean? Perhaps that is the plan though and I certainly hope so, I have no good info about this new wheel I have to admit so???
But that would make possible for older customers to have their wheels retrofitted with new PCB + motors as well right, no need to buy a new wheel base all together, if possible from a technical point of view I mean?
Just my 2c, perhaps I have missed something and spoke way too early here? Wanna see direct drive next..
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@superslowme You can switch to up to 4-ribs, the pulleys all have four grooves. The motor belt is not going to make a whole lot of difference really - the area of concern with slippage is the small pulley that the steering shaft belt rides on. The wider belt run looser on the motors might give a bit better feel though.
As for the new wheel, I think an upgrade for existing CSW users would probably be almost as expensive as just buying the new wheel, but I guess we shall see. I wouldn't bet against the Bühler motors either, they are quite impressive.
As for the new wheel, I think an upgrade for existing CSW users would probably be almost as expensive as just buying the new wheel, but I guess we shall see. I wouldn't bet against the Bühler motors either, they are quite impressive.
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Yes they are!
Eric do you have a link to that seller?
Maybe I´m just blind here but cannot find it online?
Eric do you have a link to that seller?
Maybe I´m just blind here but cannot find it online?
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Thanks Eric appreciate it, I figure it can be nice to have another belt at home.
So what you guys think about Fanatec announcements today then?
499 offer (599 ordinary) in US and EU? Is that $ and € + if so will that make the wheel more expensive in EU?
I just wanna see the comparison, CSW vs CSW v2 vs CSW with Buhler mod in a neutral non biased test.
Any chance we ever get to see that you think? From a cooling stand point I have to admit I love the hole idea of using the brushless motors, that´s the part I am envy of and I have no problem admitting that either cause of the cooling etc.
Although I still won´t buy the v2 I see no reason to do so after Buhler mod unless it can outperform the Buhler mod overall and I just cannot see that happening here... Time will tell/confirm I guess?
For now I just want see some testing, will follow this.
So what you guys think about Fanatec announcements today then?
499 offer (599 ordinary) in US and EU? Is that $ and € + if so will that make the wheel more expensive in EU?
I just wanna see the comparison, CSW vs CSW v2 vs CSW with Buhler mod in a neutral non biased test.
Any chance we ever get to see that you think? From a cooling stand point I have to admit I love the hole idea of using the brushless motors, that´s the part I am envy of and I have no problem admitting that either cause of the cooling etc.
Although I still won´t buy the v2 I see no reason to do so after Buhler mod unless it can outperform the Buhler mod overall and I just cannot see that happening here... Time will tell/confirm I guess?
For now I just want see some testing, will follow this.
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Although it looks familiar to you it has almost no part which has not been modified
Not every customer will use his invite so go ahead and ask your friends if
they use their invite of if they give it to you in case you are not on
the list yet. It is possible and welcome to transfer invite codes.
Please
do not ask our sales team for invites. They are not authorized to give
out codes anyway. If it is your turn then you will get an e-mail. We
will open a thread in our forum which explains more details and where
you can also ask for invites from other members.
By the way, all
lucky customers who placed a pre-order for the old V1 base just got a
free upgrade to V2 and they are the first to receive the new product.
The Price
Pre-order price:
EU: 499,95
USA: 499,95AUS: 655
J: 65.000
Regular price:
EU: 599,95
USA: 599,95
AUS: 785
J: 78.000
no direct drive
why all the fuss, arghhh!!! 
eKretz, do you think the buhler motors will perform better than the V2 Base
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Hmm "much less drag"...."cooled much easier"..."double the resolution"..."simulations will feel different and new"..."next-gen consoles" via wheel swaps.
1) Can the upcoming new wheels be used (or old bases modified so that they can be used) or not is one question. Conceptually it seems possible.
2) Wheel feel certainly does not come just from max torque. Low Drag is a major factor too as I have been enjoying for well over a year in my heavily modified CSR-E. Eric's two Buhler rig is inherently high drag, so it needs lots of drag correction signal and runs hot compared to contemporary tech designed/modded for low drag. It's much better to have inherently low drag in the first place. I realize that this is an emotional subject for some but the physics of it simply does not care. Some of us have measured all that Two-Buhler drag in various ways. If some design changes are made, a Buhler option can be substantially improved in that area to the benefit of enjoyment and on-track speed.
1) Can the upcoming new wheels be used (or old bases modified so that they can be used) or not is one question. Conceptually it seems possible.
2) Wheel feel certainly does not come just from max torque. Low Drag is a major factor too as I have been enjoying for well over a year in my heavily modified CSR-E. Eric's two Buhler rig is inherently high drag, so it needs lots of drag correction signal and runs hot compared to contemporary tech designed/modded for low drag. It's much better to have inherently low drag in the first place. I realize that this is an emotional subject for some but the physics of it simply does not care. Some of us have measured all that Two-Buhler drag in various ways. If some design changes are made, a Buhler option can be substantially improved in that area to the benefit of enjoyment and on-track speed.
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Oh boy, here we go again. What a broken record. You just can't pass up a chance to attack my mod, can you? Sour grapes much? The motors run hot because the wheel is run at nearly unlimited stall current. It has NOTHING to do with the motors or drag. The drag is only a factor when the wheel is freewheeling, for god's sake. How can the minute amount of drag in the wheel possibly put more stress on the motors than your hands holding resistance and preventing the wheel from moving? What an utter crock of ******** you keep repeating. The STOCK motors overheat. Somebody needs to ride you out of town on a pole. And yeah, I'm getting pretty pissed off at you, but not because you have a point, because you're being an ass.
To the non-douchebags, wait until you hear some back-to-back reviews. You won't be disappointed.
@Vagabond, didn't you already tell this guy once?
To the non-douchebags, wait until you hear some back-to-back reviews. You won't be disappointed.
@Vagabond, didn't you already tell this guy once?
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I have to admit that Fanatec wrote that post very well. It read to me like somebody has been reading through eKretz's notes and is marketing it to what we've been told is important.
This isn't a criticism nor am I being skeptical. I'm just saying that I'm kind of excited about this V2 (especially as a guy who is doing most of his racing on consoles right now).
I'm both relieved and bothered that sending in existing hardware isn't required for the discount. On one hand, I figured the discount would be even better if that were the case. On the other hand, I now have the option of keeping my CSR-E which is something I'd like to do.
This isn't a criticism nor am I being skeptical. I'm just saying that I'm kind of excited about this V2 (especially as a guy who is doing most of his racing on consoles right now).
I'm both relieved and bothered that sending in existing hardware isn't required for the discount. On one hand, I figured the discount would be even better if that were the case. On the other hand, I now have the option of keeping my CSR-E which is something I'd like to do.
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I found this post reputedly from TechAde: https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/threads/the-thrustmaster-t500rs-thread.135961/page-204#post-7447141
Which would imply something like 3Nm from a G27 and something like 6Nm from a T500RS.....
But for me the reduced resistance and better immediacy would be the only reason to consider a CSWv2 over my T500RS, torque alone isn't the issue.
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Well there you have it. I would be interested to hear how he measured the torque. I measure with a cable wrapped exactly on the circumference of the O.D. of the wheel rim with a scale clamped to a board so I don't wiggle it holding by hand, then take the force and multiply by the radius, divide by the standard in the torque measurement I want the result in. I.E. for foot pounds I measure say 12 lbs. force at a 5.38" radius (Fanatec formula rim). Then take 12 lbs. x 5.38" and divide by 12" (1 foot, this converts the measurement to lbs./ft. torque) to get 5.38 lbs./ft. Which is ~7.2 N•m. So the CSW V2 will be able to pull with a force of about 12 lbs. at the periphery of the wheel.
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Eric, any updates on when our 1st 5 Buhler upgrades will ship? Also could you provide me with a link to the recommended power supply. Thanks and can't wait! I'm feeling good about my decision to do this mod although FANATEC just sent me an email invite to buy their new V2 base. I'm betting on the fact that my Elite with Buhlers and cooling will still blow that thing out of the water. Here's to rolling the dice!
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It will Colt, no worries. You won't be disappointed in your investment, just ask anybody else who's using the mod. I'll PM you a link.
I am pretty sure the first five motor blocks will ship within the next couple weeks - I have a few parts to remake because there are some slight changes to the hole pattern on the new motors, otherwise they would already be shipped!
I am pretty sure the first five motor blocks will ship within the next couple weeks - I have a few parts to remake because there are some slight changes to the hole pattern on the new motors, otherwise they would already be shipped!
