Fanatec Gran Turismo DD Pro

[snc]

I just ordered mine. Went with the standard package. Honestly speaking, I'm quite quick with the g29, few hundreds of secs behind top players. I have never tried any of the DD wheels.
I think only area I can improve now would be in consistency and improving tyre management. I have noticed that no matter how smooth I drive, my tyre management isn't as good as the top guys. Based on all the reviews I think that's one area that a DD wheel will help.
Will load cells pedals help in this regard? Let's say you're already good at the game, will upgrading to pedals with load cells improve anything?

apparently gt sport its not best suited for load cells and best wheel for tyre management for gt sport is t-gt, video from top split driver with tips for braking with load cells (tough he uses fanatec v3 pedals)

 

[Stoop Solo]

That's a very small wheel indeed.

What is this? A wheel for ants??

 

[HugoTwoWheels]

I remember when I got my first wheel, my CSL ELITE. I had to dial it back SO MUCH, because I wasn’t used to having my arms jerked like that. Within a month I was running it full power. Thanks have since dialed it back a bit…mainly because running it at full strength was dampening out the little details too much

Isn't that FFB clipping, what you're describing? My goal is to get a dynamic range as wide as possible, from super light to heavy. If you push the lower limit upwards, you compress the dynamic range and lose information.
Hence why I run 1 in FFB sensitivity in GT Sport, and max torque until it starts clipping. I saw that this is the official recommendation for Fanatec as well.

 

[Yard_Sale]

Isn't that FFB clipping, what you're describing? My goal is to get a dynamic range as wide as possible, from super light to heavy. If you push the lower limit upwards, you compress the dynamic range and lose information.
Hence why I run 1 in FFB sensitivity in GT Sport, and max torque until it starts clipping. I saw that this is the official recommendation for Fanatec as well.

Kindasorta.

With clipping, the wheel will essentially go completely numb and you will lose all feeling.

What I think is the case with GTS and the CSL elite, I don’t think the FFB programming has enough depth. What always ended up with in GTS was a heavy wheel (not necessarily bad), that wasn’t exactly smooth (not good). I have since put my in game settings to 6-torque and 6-sensitivity. And the wheel feels the exact same as it did at 10-10…. But it’s much more manageable.

In ACC on PS4, the FFB feels way more detailed and completely different. I found I could run higher settings on the wheel base and in game with the feeling at the wheel still being good.

My next sim rig that I hopefully will build in the next 6 months, will have a DD and multiple butt kickers. Hopefully the programming in GT7 will have enough depth to utilize all of the peripherals and stronger wheel to its full extent

 

[slthree]

I am a big Fanatec fan and I'm happy to buy this bundle, even if it is overpriced. Dom has always been kind to me, replying to questions no matter how in-depth they are.

Problem is that I cannot complete the transaction. Over the past two days I've tried 15 to 20 times and I keep getting stuck at the screen where it says to enter the one-time code that they have texted me.

I have not received the text on any of the tries. It keeps timing out and I try again only to get no text again.

I'm in the United States so I don't know if that's the problem. But, as an existing customer with an account and other purchases I'm surprised they need to send me a text code at all. I mean, my card is on file.

Can anyone help me?

 

[HugoTwoWheels]

@slthree
Have you tried clearing the cookies in your browser or starting a window in incognito mode? Trying another browser? Trying another IP number, VPN or different unit? Different country through VPN?
But yeah, shouldn't be necessary...

 

[LeGeNd-1]

As someone who likes FFB on the weaker side (e.g. in GTS I use Torque 2 with T-GT), I doubt switching to a DD wheel is gonna make me into an alien overnight. I'm just interested in comparing how different DD feels compared to gear/belt driven wheels. I think if you're fast, you'll be fast regardless of what equipment you use. There are a few people who qualified for GT Academy and the FIA finals using good ol' DS4.

Upgrade your sim racing equipment because you love the hobby and wants greater immersion. If your sole goal is to improve laptimes, you're just gonna be disappointed IMO.

 

[B_Springer]

What do you think fellow SimRacers?
I'm thinking on the big switch from Thrustmaster to FANATEC because the DD technology, but the switch is pricey as hell... 🤔

Let me explain my dilemma:
Now I have the Thrustmaster T-300RS with the
T-LCM load cell pedals on my rig, with 3 different Thrustmaster rims. I play on PC with one OLED TV, and Gran Turismo on PlayStation 4 Pro.
(This shows my budget for simracing at the moment...)

So if I want to switch, I need to pay minimum 850 euro for the DD (5nm) and the FANATEC load cell pedals upgrade (load cell is a must have!)
Meanwhile the Thrustmaster T-GT II Servo base (on its own) is half of that price = 450 euro.
And honestly I really need just a better wheelbase...
T-GT II base is not direct drive of course, but it's 6,5 newtonmeters of torque (measured by Ron).
The FANATEC DD Pro is weaker (5nm) but it's direct drive. And of course I can buy the 8nm power supply but that's another +150 euro, so the switch from Thrustmaster to FANATEC in my case is about 1000 euro.

What do you think fellow SimRacers?
Is it worth to invest twice as much for the direct drive???

 

[Sikumatchbox]

Waiting for the standalone base and then making a switch from Thrustmaster. However I have to say the price is a bit higher than my expectation. When the CSL DD arrived there was a forum poll which stated the correct price. So for the GT one I was expecting GT wheel + DD + Loadcell = €700. I know it is just a poll, but my expectation was raised based on the CSL DD poll.

Source: https://forum.fanatec.com/discussion/23483/the-beginning-of-a-new-era-fanatec-and-polyphony.

 

[slthree]

Guys, for those of you asking if going to a direct drive is worth it, I can tell you that, while I don't have a DD wheel right now I've been asking that question of numerous friends on this site for about a year.

Every single one of them will say the same thing, that it adds to the enjoyment of the hobby, that it makes it more immersive, more fun.

At the same time, almost every one of them says it's not designed to make you faster even though you might get faster if you're able to feel your car slipping sooner.

If I can ever complete my order, I'm getting this one.

@slthree
Have you tried clearing the cookies in your browser or starting a window in incognito mode? Trying another browser? Trying another IP number, VPN or different unit? Different country through VPN?
But yeah, shouldn't be necessary...

I appreciate you taking the time to give me those suggestions. I've got a cup of coffee in one hand and I'm going to try those now.

Thanks you

If I already have a load cell pedal for my CSL elite PS4 wheelbase, would that pedal work with the new csl dd?

Also, @HugoTwoWheels , it worked. Thanks

 

[CBH]

Upgrade your sim racing equipment because you love the hobby and wants greater immersion. If your sole goal is to improve laptimes, you're just gonna be disappointed IMO.

I upgraded to this

last year from a G29, and this wheel has improved my lap times a lot better than using my G29. So I am not disappointed mate because the new equipment made me faster, and I will be buying the standalone DD wheelbase when it comes out.

 

[Napalm_LT]

At the same time, almost every one of them says it's not designed to make you faster even though you might get faster if you're able to feel your car slipping sooner.

Yes, DD won't make you faster, but it can make you more consistent, what mean you can do less mistakes and became "faster"
IMHO good pedals (espessially - brake pedal) are more important than wheel. Good pedals can make you FASTER.
So overall, DD and good pedals helps you reach finish line earlier (you became faster).
My message is a bit complicated?

 

[JustMac]

Seeing as they're packing an LC, I hope they fix loadcell functionality in GT7... in GT Sport you essentially it doesn't 'really' work, certainly not with high load settings.

 

[snc]

Seeing as they're packing an LC, I hope they fix loadcell functionality in GT7... in GT Sport you essentially it doesn't 'really' work, certainly not with high load settings.

gt sport for sure are not best suited for loadcells but apparently setting it with high resistence improve times and break control

 

[R3V]

Do I have to pay when pre-ordering like the PSN store, or pay when it's shipped like Amazon?

 

[Endless-Wilso]

I upgraded last year from a G29, and this wheel has improved my lap times a lot better than using my G29. So I am not disappointed mate because the new equipment made me faster, and I will be buying the standalone DD wheelbase when it comes out.

Ive used both wheels aswell G29 and CSL E
While the DD will be an improvement it'll only be marginal or the difference from the CSL to the DD isn't gonna be as big as the difference from G29 to the CSL.

 

[super_gt]

Do I have to pay when pre-ordering like the PSN store, or pay when it's shipped like Amazon?

As far as I know, you pay when you make the pre-order.

 

[ghost30]

I’d like to see an honest review of this wheel vs the T-GT, and T-GT 2. I’m tempted to buy the Fanatec 8nm bundle, but I’m already pretty satisfied with my T-GT that I’ve had since 2017. I play on 5 FF torque, and 8 sensitivity. Also, -2 controller sensitivity effects the wheel (feels like dampening settings). Only real con I have is the notchy feel of the T-GT. But you can’t really tell with the rumble effects, and in the heat of battle.

 

[ANDRITSOULAS]

I’d like to see an honest review of this wheel vs the T-GT, and T-GT 2. I’m tempted to buy the Fanatec 8nm bundle, but I’m already pretty satisfied with my T-GT that I’ve had since 2017. I play on 5 FF torque, and 8 sensitivity. Also, -2 controller sensitivity effects the wheel (feels like dampening settings). Only real con I have is the notchy feel of the T-GT. But you can’t really tell with the rumble effects, and in the heat of battle.

Well it is not that csl dd is better than tgt (wich it is), it is the direct drive tecnology that wins.

Even csl elite Wheelbase has much less notchy feel than tgt. That is because tgt uses the 2 belt drive system (since 2010/2011 starting with the T500rs), but csl elite uses 1 belt drive system.

Just imagine that a direct drive system has zero notchy feel what so ever.

 

[snc]

I’d like to see an honest review of this wheel vs the T-GT, and T-GT 2. I’m tempted to buy the Fanatec 8nm bundle, but I’m already pretty satisfied with my T-GT that I’ve had since 2017. I play on 5 FF torque, and 8 sensitivity. Also, -2 controller sensitivity effects the wheel (feels like dampening settings). Only real con I have is the notchy feel of the T-GT. But you can’t really tell with the rumble effects, and in the heat of battle.

From what I heard from top split gt sport driver if you only play gr sport t-gt is best but if you play also other racing games csl elite is defenitly better and dd pro is for sure better than csl elite

 

[liquid_ocelot]

Love it. It's not the prettiest but it'll do the job just fine.

 

[slthree]

Yes, DD won't make you faster, but it can make you more consistent, what mean you can do less mistakes and became "faster"
IMHO good pedals (espessially - brake pedal) are more important than wheel. Good pedals can make you FASTER.
So overall, DD and good pedals helps you reach finish line earlier (you became faster).
My message is a bit complicated?

I can't imagine how fast you would be if you had the top gear. I don't know what you use so maybe you already do but I do know you're one of the fastest drivers I've seen online

 

[CBH]

Ive used both wheels aswell G29 and CSL E
While the DD will be an improvement it'll only be marginal or the difference from the CSL to the DD isn't gonna be as big as the difference from G29 to the CSL.

That's right it will be an improvement over the CSL Elite and it would not be as much like you said, and when I upgrade to a DD it is not going to make me worse.

 

[dcarena]

The issue is mounting to profile, the front pedal mounts require bolts to screw into them from below which is an issue on the P1 as it uses profile which requires bolts to screw down into t-nuts, you would have to use some corner brackets on the side of the profile.

If the rig has a metal pedal plate with holes (or you can drill holes) you would be fine.

Thank you for the reply. Since I don’t own either yet, I am struggling to visualise the issue of installing the CSL pedal set.. More confusing, the Simlabs website says CSL pedals fiit. so I am a little lost on this one!

I just realised, maybe the rig that SuperGT has is the higher end model over the Evo that I was looking at

 

[Jump_Ace]

I did some math today regarding FFB on my PS4 F1 Podium DD wheel and whether or not the CSL DD would be powerful enough. I have left the FFB on the Podium DD at 35% strength, which feels perfect. That comes out to 7nm, so I went ahead and bought the Booster Kit and I'll just use the CSL DD if the Podium DD ever dies on me when its out of warranty.

I will try upping the FFB of the Podium DD to 40% which would put it right at 8nm, the CSL DD limit. Interesting, I surely wish I knew that the CSL DD was coming out a year ago when I bough the Podium DD. I think they priced themselves out with the Podium DD if the CSL DD feels identical.


Jerome

 

[Napalm_LT]

I can't imagine how fast you would be if you had the top gear. I don't know what you use so maybe you already do but I do know you're one of the fastest drivers I've seen online

Thanks, but it's not a true. I am just midrange driver.

 

[jughead]

Quick set of questions- I am currently a CSW2.0/CSPv3/CSS SQ1.5 user. I have a drivehub for GT:Sport and and USB switcher for toggling between PC and PS5 (I also used to toggle between Xbox). I have a BMW GT2, Formula Black and WRC Xbox Rim.

1. [More Important] In the event Fanatec sell the GT DD base standalone, will I be able to drop it into my ecosystem and continue on as normal, allowing me to forgo the Drivehub? I know they said accessories will work but I didn't see anything that directly stated the CS pedals would work. I had originally planned to purchased the CSL DD but caught wind of the the PD/Fanatec partnership and cancelled my preorder to see how this would shake out.

2. [Less Important] Am I reading it right that the Formula Black and GT2 would be compatible with PS5 and the GT DD upon release? They say PS Compatible on their product pages currently (formula black is retired but I found an archived page).

3. [Not That Important] Am I understanding the language correctly that I could pair my WRC (xbox) rim with the GT DD base and get full Xbox functionality? I probably would play Forza on PC but still curious nonetheless. I'm sure this is probably applicable to someone else as well so it could be helpful if someone fully understands Fanatec's somewhat convoluted compatibility literature.

Thanks for any help.

 

[super_gt]

Quick set of questions- I am currently a CSW2.0/CSPv3/CSS SQ1.5 user. I have a drivehub for GT:Sport and and USB switcher for toggling between PC and PS5 (I also used to toggle between Xbox). I have a BMW GT2, Formula Black and WRC Xbox Rim.

1. [More Important] In the event Fanatec sell the GT DD base standalone, will I be able to drop it into my ecosystem and continue on as normal, allowing me to forgo the Drivehub? I know they said accessories will work but I didn't see anything that directly stated the CS pedals would work. I had originally planned to purchased the CSL DD but caught wind of the the PD/Fanatec partnership and cancelled my preorder to see how this would shake out.

2. [Less Important] Am I reading it right that the Formula Black and GT2 would be compatible with PS5 and the GT DD upon release? They say PS Compatible on their product pages currently (formula black is retired but I found an archived page).

3. [Not That Important] Am I understanding the language correctly that I could pair my WRC (xbox) rim with the GT DD base and get full Xbox functionality? I probably would play Forza on PC but still curious nonetheless. I'm sure this is probably applicable to someone else as well so it could be helpful if someone fully understands Fanatec's somewhat convoluted compatibility literature.

Thanks for any help.

With WRC wheel, GT DD and CSPv3 you will be able to play on Xbox, PS4/5 and PC without DriveHub.
With BMW GT2, Formula Black, GT DD and CSPv3 you will be able to play on PS4/5 and PC without DriveHub.

 

[Rob Brown]

I want to get this. But I’m gonna press the hold button for the moment. Mainly because I want to see if Fanatec offers a “CSW” DD wheel base in the future. I think a base that offers 12-15nm wil be the sweet spot for me.

Plus I want to see if Fanatec is going to come out with a top tier set of pedals

I’m thinking that if you hold your breath on “CSW” DD, you’ll only turn blue. Anyway, 12-15 Nm pretty much describes the F1 DD1 (15 Nm).

Same here, the 8nm doesn't seem like enough.

I, for one, am using 6-7Nm of the available 15Nm and when the DD pro base becomes available, I’ll surely try it with boost power supply. I’d like to get my 55” screen closer to my eyes for better field of view.

Will load cells pedals help in this regard? Let's say you're already good at the game, will upgrading to pedals with load cells improve anything?

Load cell braking should receive the attention that direct drives does. If one is going to spend what little money one has dedicated to sim racing equipment, the biggest bang for the buck is load cell braking! It stands a better chance to make you faster than anything else. Gran Turismo isn’t the best place for load cell braking, it’s true, unfortunately. If one is using racing tires on N200 cars, one is a gamer, not sim race driver.

What do you think fellow SimRacers?
Is it worth to invest twice as much for the direct drive???

In my estimation, yes, for the enjoyment factor. If my wife complains, I start laying out plans to get a beater race car, trailer and $1000 per month budget to go racing. We live in a technological age where you can go drive/wreck $3M virtual cars (one after another) for peanuts. Plah-eze ….

 

[Daz555]

What do you think fellow SimRacers?
I'm thinking on the big switch from Thrustmaster to FANATEC because the DD technology, but the switch is pricey as hell... 🤔

Let me explain my dilemma:
Now I have the Thrustmaster T-300RS with the
T-LCM load cell pedals on my rig, with 3 different Thrustmaster rims. I play on PC with one OLED TV, and Gran Turismo on PlayStation 4 Pro.
(This shows my budget for simracing at the moment...)

So if I want to switch, I need to pay minimum 850 euro for the DD (5nm) and the FANATEC load cell pedals upgrade (load cell is a must have!)
Meanwhile the Thrustmaster T-GT II Servo base (on its own) is half of that price = 450 euro.
And honestly I really need just a better wheelbase...
T-GT II base is not direct drive of course, but it's 6,5 newtonmeters of torque (measured by Ron).
The FANATEC DD Pro is weaker (5nm) but it's direct drive. And of course I can buy the 8nm power supply but that's another +150 euro, so the switch from Thrustmaster to FANATEC in my case is about 1000 euro.

What do you think fellow SimRacers?
Is it worth to invest twice as much for the direct drive???

You'll get a decent amount for all that Thrustmaster kit if you sell it - especially given supply chain problems at the moment.