Fanatec is making me sad.

What's funny to me is how you take every complainer at their word, despite the number of posts they have. Yet long standing members or people that don't have a problem are liars. This is where the argument starts. Sorry but those are the facts.

Just curious but what does the number of posts have to do with faulty gear? Enlighten us on the OP calling long standing members or people that don't have a problem a liar. :)

Let's look at this thread, the argument started when certain individuals started calling the OP names, your facts do not add up.

Again the problem is when people jumped all over the OP, those are the only facts
 
I think someone called oit mr latte early on for no reason and thats what started it all.

As for post count :
Back in my paintball days there was a company who had employees, sponsored players and paying other members of pbnation.com to go on and bash competitor circuit boards. To the point of claiming the boards were frying other electronics within the gun. This company AndvantagePB was known for producing cheater boards, trigger pull multiplyers. When this happened it resulted in a major lawsuit causing them to close their doors.

In irony, they came back under the name of Virtue.

That is my reason for being leary of early posters.
 
Left, no offense but nobody can debate with you because you will ignore or skirt what was said. The correlation between low post count and bogus hit and run posts is a legitimate variable not just on this forum, but on any forum. This isn't made up science, it's fact.

I worked for Blockbuster video corporate for five years. We had a program called "frost" that was thunk up by upper management to stem the bad online persona of Blockbuster. The system works like this.

We would hire people to create accounts on online forums, gaming for instance. These posters would go onto IGN or Gamespot and talk about their horrendous experience with Gamefly, Hollywood video, etc. They would be tasked with seeding as many forums as possible with negative press.

The one commonality between all of them was LOW POST COUNT. This is what would stick out to regular forum users. We literally created hundreds of online accounts in those five years seeding forums with negative news, spin, about competitors.

So to make a long story short.......there ARE negative posters who are full of $hit. Usually they have low post counts. Usually they never return after causing a flame war. The OP obviously isn't one of these but the Internet is rife with them. Either paid as viral moles or just douche bag posters who love to rain on people's parades.

My opinion about how the clique system works here is magnified even more when I see the back and forth between certain people. It's like the greasers vs. The jocks in some 50s west side story.

Consider that a little lesson in Internet seeding. Only reason I can tell you is that the NDA expired a few years ago. I no longer work in corporate for them.

Peace

EDIT: lol Caz we just posted simultaneous about that. Back when we were doing this nobody had any idea.
 
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Lol. I wasnt part of it then. Just something that has always stuck in my head. I was an advertising/ broadcast major in my attempt at college. Somestuff sunk in. I say my attempt, you dont stick a hippy skier kid in northern vermont with a season pass to the best mountain on the east coast. ( jay peak ) especially when its a half hour away. Oops. Pretty shoddy period in my life, prob should have been medicated. But that was 15+ yrs ago and ive learned alot since then.c
 
Thomas himself was rounded on by members when he called someone out, accusing them if working for, or having an interest in Thrustmaster.

Generally people felt that he should of done it via PM or kept his thoughts to his self.

What would you guys recommend is an acceptable post count to believe them?

Anyone joining and singing praises are not to be believed either right?
 
Left, no offense but nobody can debate with you because you will ignore or skirt what was said.

I think you need to go back to the beginning of this thread and re read your posts, How am I ignoring what was said? In this thread I voiced my displeasure of you and Mr Latte of trying to stifle the OP of voicing his opinion.

In the two forums I have read your posts you act immature, you continuously say abusive comments to people. You have publicly accused someone of stealing from you, you called him all sorts of names.

I can not put it any clearer, let the OP speak without your negative, abusive and immature comments.

I worked for Blockbuster video corporate for five years. We had a program called "frost" that was thunk up by upper management to stem the bad online persona of Blockbuster. The system works like this.

Left, no offense but nobody can debate with you because you will ignore or skirt what was said.

You are telling me I skirt the issue? The only issue here is two people trying to impose there immature and negative views on the OP who is clearly unhappy with his purchase. I've said all I want on this subject but remember you had an opportunity to help the OP but instead you called him a liar and many other abusive comments and you continue to do so. Not to mention the threads that you continuously hijack.
 
Spagethi69
There is a difference between paying people to write on public forums and hide their identity and straight forward communication from a company employee writing under his real identity.
None of the posters in this thread are on the payroll of Fanatec although Mr. Latte has done betatesting for us. A fact he never hides and is also clearly communicated by himself. If that makes him biased is something everybody can decide for himself.

I just don't like if other companies are trying to manipulate the public opinion by letting affiliated persons post bad things about competitor products and hide their identity so people think that this was a post of an unbiased and objective community member. It happened here and it happened on other forums and youtube and it should be in the interest of the whole community to strictly go against this practice.
 
I just don't like if other companies are trying to manipulate the public opinion by letting affiliated persons post bad things about competitor products and hide their identity so people think that this was a post of an unbiased and objective community member. It happened here and it happened on other forums and youtube and it should be in the interest of the whole community to strictly go against this practice.

Are you saying the OP is a fraud and never made a purchased from Fanatec?
 
@Bigsilverhotdog
I assume you have already received the new firmware which should have solved all your issues. You can PM me if this is not the case.
To make the gear slider for the gas and clutch pedal out of metal instead of the high-grade ABS we use will bring no functional or reliability advantage. Your critisizm is appreciated but probably your are exaggerating a bit because of the firmware issues you had.
If you have problems, we fix it. If you dont like the product, we will take it back. There is no reason to think that you just wasted your money.

To all:
This thread was about a guy who had issues and it went way off topic with a lot of personal emotions and excitement. I suggest to stop this discussion right at this point. Thank you.

Are you saying the OP is a fraud and never made a purchased from Fanatec?

Not at all. I was just responding to Spagethi69 and went off topic like everybody else. Sorry.
 
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Mr Latte, I apologize if it appears I have unfairly singled you out. My only intention is that the OP has his say in any fashion he should choose regardless of brand.

As if you have enough juice to single out Latte, lol. Of course you defend the OP's rant. NO ONE has posted more negative posts about Fanatec than you.
 
Not at all. I was just responding to Spagethi69 and went off topic like everybody else. Sorry.


Understood

As if you have enough juice to single out Latte, lol. Of course you defend the OP's rant. NO ONE has posted more negative posts about Fanatec than you.

Well considering I own a Fanatec GT2 wheel and two sets of Fanatec CSP's, it kind of throws water on your trollish comments (again)
 
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Spagetti, I can tell where you're going with this but why must it be always to the extreme ends of the scale with you guys? I mean we've pretty much explained what the situation is. There is no post count, or red flag that is 100% sure about a posters intention. All I'm saying is that it happens and it happens quite a bit due to the anonymity of the Internet.

And Thomas is expected to not respond in a public forum? But it's OK for someone to rip his company apart in a public forum? That makes ZERO sense. why doesn't the complainer take it to PMs? I'm sure Thomas would respond. He did when I PMd him.

Goes right back to the clique mentality I was speaking of. Obviously Thomas is wrong, he can't defend the company he runs. But some no name shlep who no one is sure what his intentions are can just say anything they want. C'mon.

And left888, you keep trying to support your biased thinking by saying I own a Fanatec and harping on the OP. We're already aware the OP had a legit complaint. We're trying to educate you on what happens ALOT in online forums, yet you continue the same thing over an over like a broken record.

I'm trying real hard to not get angry but you're trying to push buttons. I never insulted the OP or call him a liar. I was skeptical just as with any other poster because of the factors I've already mentioned ten times. Are you retarded? God!

Edit:For the record also I own three PS3s. I can't stand Sony and the PS3 is only here because of Gran Turismo and even that is trumped by Forza. So you can own things and still dislike them. You owning Fanatec gear means nothing. Stop trying to use it as a "legitimacy" maker. Your bias shows my friend.
 
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Hmmm this is getting out of hand now...

Thomas has not accused anyone in this thread of being biased or employed by his competitors.

However if someone is flaming your business can you blame him for thinking about his competitors.??

You also cannot blame him for defending his products.

He knows how many products he sells but I'm guessing a few thousand Csr's have been sold yet there seems to be very little good things in forums compared to the bad stuff. That is why I think people such as Latte are defending the brand. I also will defend the brand as my experiences were good :)

Adam

Spagetti, I can tell where you're going with this but why must it be always to the extreme ends of the scale with you guys? I mean we've pretty much explained what the situation is. There is no post count, or red flag that is 100% sure about a posters intention. All I'm saying is that it happens and it happens quite a bit due to the anonymity of the Internet.

And Thomas is expected to not respond in a public forum? But it's OK for someone to rip his company apart in a public forum? That makes ZERO sense. why doesn't the complainer take it to PMs? I'm sure Thomas would respond. He did when I PMd him.

Goes right back to the clique mentality I was speaking of. Obviously Thomas is wrong, he can't defend the company he runs. But some no name shlep who no one is sure what his intentions are can just say anything they want. C'mon.

And left888, you keep trying to support your biased thinking by saying I own a Fanatec and harping on the OP. We're already aware the OP had a legit complaint. We're trying to educate you on what happens ALOT in online forums, yet you continue the same thing over an over like a broken record.

I'm trying real hard to not get angry but you're trying to push buttons. I never insulted the OP or call him a liar. I was skeptical just as with any other poster because of the factors I've already mentioned ten times. Are you retarded? God!


LOL I was writing when this was posts but this is what I meant LOL
 
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I'm trying real hard to not get angry but you're trying to push buttons. I never insulted the OP or call him a liar.

Go back and re read your post, you have verbally abused the OP and several others just in this thread alone.

My big mistake was being bated into trying to defend freedom of speech from someone like you that clearly has anger issues and is very immature. it is not about defending Fanatec but free speech. I am sorry you are blinded by the drivel you are trying to spin.

As Thomas mentioned this needs to end, so I will step away from this thread and not look back.


P.S. This scodee kid is the prime example of the word troll. He has not participated in one bit of this thread except for his two little trollish comments.
 
Left, you're right. This needs to end. But only because you're so full of $&it your eyes are brown.

There is ZERO possibility to talk any sense to you. You already know you've been proven wrong several times, we've already established that the OP had a problem, and we've pretty much given a lesson on how viral marketers and posters invade forums.

Yet here you are spewing the same thing you were spewing 8 pages ago. So here goes, just for you and your limited capacity to understand when the topic has evolved.

To THE OP. I'm soooooo sorry I called you a liar *even though I didn't*. I'm soooooo sorry you had to go through this mental anguish. I hope you get not only a fixed wheel, but also 72 virgins, and a giant sandwich with your favorite deli meats. I mean this truly from the bottom of my heart.

There ya go.

Edit: since I know for sure you're going to say something along the lines of " you're a meany poopy head who insulted me, the OP, and orphans the world over". I'm going to go ahead and just leave you to the thread, go nuts buddy. Bash Fanatec to your hearts delight. I'm done watching this train wreck.



You have common sense, hence you're a troll. Lol

Plus I can tell you smell BS as well.
 
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For the record I have never said Thomas can't respond in anyway shape or form, if that was directed at me.

I my self have asked Wildrun, Topyn and gainsym if they work for Thrustmaster.

As for Topyn and Gainsym, Thrustmaster was flavour of the month at that time and people jumped down my throat for asking there interests.

Thomas you also know that my views have been based on personal experience.
Both high and low. I have always given credit both publicly and privately.

Stop with the anti Fanatec brigade slogan your trying to establish from nothing.
I'm not saying viral marketing doesn't exist but if we're all going to not trust anyone why even have a forum.

No need for insults either.
 
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God I go away for a few days to actually play some racing sims and look what happens! Again!! You guys are really quite impressive. 👍

To those that asked: The only thing Fanatec has done so far is email me new firmware. That's all.

First off to Fanatec/Thomas: I did get the firmware, flashed it, and it fixed a few of the issues. The settings save correctly now, and the wheel doesn't vibrate as much when idle (but it still does). It removed the high pitched electronic whine, but the mechanical whine remains (possibly a design consideration, and actually how all of the wheels sound). I can live with it. I believe the issue with the device losing FFB was related to grounding, because while I couldn't find a way to ground a wheel with all-plastic housing, I did raise the relative humidity in my house to decrease static electricity in the air, and the rate of FFB loss (requiring a reboot) went down sharply. It could be related, but it could be random. I'll know more in the coming months. I will keep the wheel because the firmware fix has made racing possible once again, I actually like the FFB quality, the aftermarket gel cork griptape has negated the bad feel of the plastic rim, and I can't afford the transit time required for replacing it as I use the wheel for many hours daily (I did say I was a hardcore simmer). I expect if the wheel fails completely you will replace it under warranty as stated on your webshop. 24 months is a reasonable warranty for an enthusiast product from a small company at your price point, and though I'd personally expect such a product to last longer than 24 months, I wouldn't expect a guarantee of it, considering all the crazy things people do with their sim gear and the insane usage patterns some people put their gear through. As I said, I'm not unreasonable. Overall I just want things to work properly. I'm patient, and flexible, but when I pay a lot of money I have expectations for "performance as advertised". As a simmer (and a customer) that is my expectation, and its amusing that so many people here find that hard to grasp.

I am in the process of returning the CSR shifter to your factory, as it is poorly designed and somewhat cheaply constructed (again, metal on plastic... why?). Seriously, why the cheap plastic housing? Why no way to hard mount it? Why the loud clicking action? Why the inaccurate action moving between 3/5 and 4/6? Why connect it via aforementioned rods to the wheel, which, even if hard mounted as mine is (bolted) will still be shaken and moved by shifting action during play, as it is also plastic and not terribly sturdy. All extremely significant issues in my book, so I'm sending it back.

I also disagree about the plastic pieces on the pedals not being cheap, I've almost hit them twice with an adjustable socket wrench (while modifying pedal placement), and would probably have broken them had I hit them. They're right in the way, and very flexible, cheap plastic! They'd be fine if they weren't in the line of fire for pedals that are incredibly difficult to modify, but they are, so there we are. I would return the pedals, but moving the placement (and in fact using them normally under sim cockpit situations) has damaged the soft plastic used to hold the bolts in place (it deforms under load, with either tight bolts or mildly tight bolts, doesn't matter), and I would not try to return a product I consider damaged, even if the damage was due to bad design. That's my personal ethics. Plus, except for the difficult modifying and poor design/material of the support for the metal pedals, the quality of the unit is excellent. The pedals themselves? Top notch. The ergonomics of usage? Perfect! The load cell? Love it! It's the support base unit that houses the pedals that is no good. You can't marry simulator grade aluminum with cheap plastic via steel bolts and expect longevity in a load bearing environment. It just doesn't work.

Next, to whomever was being lazy and questioning that I was a low post count discord sowing seeder... I already told you to Google this nickname. Youtube this nickname. Then kindly return here and post excuses and explanations of how you failed to take 8 seconds to invalidate your own argument. Good job. Always room for plenty of lazy bias on a public forum filled with the kinds of people who turn a technical rant thread about a steering wheel into a flame war involving brand loyalty and personal attacks. Thomas wants it to stop because he doesn't like Fanatec being dragged through the mud (especially in an unmoderated flamefest trollery like this forum) but Fanatec did recruit these people to review Fanatec hardware, and now we have results like this thread with the frothing faithful attacking any and all voices of sanity. To someone like me who has little use for forums like this one in the larger scheme of things I've gotten plenty of unexpected laughs out of this thread.

I posted what I posted here before I knew what this forum was like. I just saw it was an active sim hardware forum and went for it. In hindsight something of a mistake, because the voices of sanity here are totally outnumbered by the barking dogs of madness, but meh. It was still funny, I got plenty of PMs with actual good advice (thanks Energizerrr, HKS, etc), and Fanatec coincidentally took notice and helped me soon after I posted this thread. The sideshow was just a bonus.

Flame on boys! I eagerly await the next 9 pages. 👍👍👍
 
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Jesus wept, I just googled my name. Scary.

It was the load cell issue you raised that peaked my interest.
Obviously someone who has the product would post such a thing.

High pitched whine when used in Xbox mode has been well documented. Anyone could have posted that I suppose.

Shame that like minded simmers end up squabbling when we all share the same interest.

Intrigued to see the results of the load cell issue from others.
 
High pitched whine when used in Xbox mode has been well documented. Anyone could have posted that I suppose.

Erm...

The wheel emits high pitched electronic whine... this is in PC mode, not XBOX mode (the mode everyone seems to claim is the cause of this problem).

and lol @ googling your name. I bet it was scary! I hope you google image searched it! HAHA!
 
Next, to Maya and whoever else was being lazy and questioning if I was a low post count discord sowing seeder...

I think you'll find Maya said that you're not one of those people. Quote: "The OP obviously isn't one of these".
 
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@bigsilverhotdog, regarding the shifters, I hear the clubsport table clamp has 2 solid mounts for the shifters which are supposed to be a hell of a lot better than the chopsticks, possibly worth a try? I hav'nt used it myself but I do have the rennsport with solid shifter mount in the post so I assume it is similar to some degree and could give you an opinion as to wether it would be a better solution.
 
@bigsilverhotdog, regarding the shifters, I hear the clubsport table clamp has 2 solid mounts for the shifters which are supposed to be a hell of a lot better than the chopsticks, possibly worth a try? I hav'nt used it myself but I do have the rennsport with solid shifter mount in the post so I assume it is similar to some degree and could give you an opinion as to wether it would be a better solution.

I already tried multiple ways including combinations of the rods + bungee cords but it can't be stable with what I've got and I'm not willing to spend more to fix something I don't even like in the first place. I already decided to send it back and buy a TH8RS. 👍

edit: Whitestar you are correct. I misread Maya's post when I caught up. I have edited my post.
 
I think you'll find Maya said that you're not one of those people. Quote: "The OP obviously isn't one of these".

Yeah, reading and comprehension seem to be in short supply here. :P

And for the record, here is the article that explains exactly what I'm talking about.
http://games.ign.com/articles/121/1212865p1.html
And this is just an instance of what goes on every day on forums and sites all over the web. So if you still can't understand why over the top complaints raise an eyebrow, then don't know what to tell ya.

It's not personal guys, so please stop acting like someone slapped your mom and use your common sense.

Thanks
 
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I'm disappointed to find so many threads on this site like this one. I've found this site in the search of good quality wheel that would work for both Xbox and PS3 as I just bought Forza 4 and an Xbox. A google search led to Fanatec, which in turn led to this site.

What disappoints me is that not only have I found many people having issue with Fanatec products and the customer service they do (or don't?) provide; the information here is extremely biased.

The audacity that some have to call into question the validity of someone's claim, no to mention the plethora of personal attacks for mentioning the claim is absurd. As if to say that a customer should be happy to have even purchased a Fanatec product and received it in working order or not. It really calls into the credibility of everything posted about the products. Now a review from Mr Latte will be completely useless to me as it's quite obvious that his review will leave objectivity at the door. Though I suppose it really doesn't matter because there is only one option isn't there?
 
In fairness Fanatec asked the community to vote for the people who they would like to see to beta the wheels. You can't ask fairer than that.

The individuual you mentioned is not part of that scheme. 3 other members will be posting their impressions.

I can sympathise with your views.
Unfortunately there is cynicism when a new poster appears. Even more so if they have attitude. Not by me I've ranted before but that's how it is around here.

Happy Christmas.
 
I'm disappointed to find so many threads on this site like this one. I've found this site in the search of good quality wheel that would work for both Xbox and PS3 as I just bought Forza 4 and an Xbox. A google search led to Fanatec, which in turn led to this site.

What disappoints me is that not only have I found many people having issue with Fanatec products and the customer service they do (or don't?) provide; the information here is extremely biased.

For what its worth, which in this thread/forum is probably nothing. For every 1 person who has/has had, an issue, you will probably find 100 who have not.

I am one of the 100.
 

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