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Fanatec Podium Direct Drive Wheel Bases Thread
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Agree, completely agree....If I separate to 10 segments - what specifications and qualities must have my DD wheel - the power will be on 10th place.... I really can`t understand this Power war!
I really love the Compact line idea with 7 Nm wheels on insane hot price!
Why to pay for Nm and after that to say I use my wheel on 20% power, but hey it is extremely powerfull!
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This is what I am hoping. Maybe $1200-1300? I would imagine that F1 licensed wheel could be fairly expensive as it will likely have a Podium quick release and it seems to have a lot of very nice looking rotaries, dials, and switches. Really looking forward to seeing what other Podium wheels Fanatec will be offering. Looks like they will be fulfilling the dreams of the nerdiest nerds around with the first one Thomas was teasing having magnetic shifters.
Even more looking forward to seeing if they will offer some Podium pedals. The highest end pedals now are literally racing pedals with hyraulic master cylinders and everything (which is just wildly overkill), and all the other sim racing specific high end pedals are VERY DIY from a manufacturing point of view. They all look like they were built with an erector set.. Fanatec is still the only sim racing company that seems to employ industrial designers as well as engineers so definitely looking forward to seeing what they come up with.
I'm sure the PSU will be external similar to Fanatec's other wheelbases. They list power supply and region specific power cable in the included items.
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I will be very interested if Fanatec replace CSW v2.5 with Club Sport Direct Drive Wheel.💡
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By the way, the new steering wheel with magnetic paddle shifters looks very good.👍He is already on top of our Most Wanted list
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Assume it will be a Podium level formula wheel bundled with, ... so, more like $1400 to $1600
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Lol, if you had a Bodnar setup you wouldn’t need to sell it in order to afford a DD at a third of it’s price, hell just high end pedals cost the same as the DD2.
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I thought the same... so I took a screen shot so I could have a closer look at the back 👍
@Fanatec... Will we in Australia have the same optioned up (DD2 motor) wheelbase for the PS4 model? Because this is looking to be a godsend to me. I've been disabled now for the past 6 years and the option to have a clutch on the wheel might be just too much for me to ignore... even it's only supported for a couple of games (F1 and PCars 2) that would be enough for me to justify the expenditure.
The most important thing for me personally is the immersion, the realisme, the latency or lack thereof, the feel of a wheel. Wether it is a G27 or a DD wheel, I don't care. I'm only interested in how realistic a wheel feels. A G27 is far from realistic. The Accuforce, the only DD wheel I tested, was a much better and much more realistic wheel. I really don't care how much torque a wheel produces. The less, the better. Should I buy a Fanatec DD1, I will turn down the FFB to a bare minimum. I'm only after the things I've mentioned above in the first sentence.
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The video update, is definitely what I needed to hear. You now have my full undivided attention, when August the 25 comes about. I always wanted to see a Direct Drive Battle Royale.
My Popcorn is ready! (to be popped, that is)
My Popcorn is ready! (to be popped, that is)
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The video update, is definitely what I needed to hear. You now have my full undivided attention, when August the 25 comes about. I always wanted to see a Direct Drive Battle Royale.
My Popcorn is ready! (to be popped, that is)
First I was thinking you were talking about the release of F1 2018, but now I’m thinking that you are referring to the Fanatec party
Given they haven’t shown any Podium wheels properly yet or made them available for pre-order I’d expect it to be CSW level. One to keep the price down and secondly you aren’t going to make the only Podium wheel you have ready for launch exclusive to PS4.
With that in mind it’s going to be more than the F1 rim since it’s got more features so your lower estimate of $/€1400 is probably about right.
Podium rims will probably be in the €600-800 range based on pricing of their other rims and still undercutting other high end custom rims.
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For the rims I think 500/600 Euro must be and will be the maximum price... in these days 500/600 Euro for mass production rim are a lot of money...Fanatec always can do insanely good mumbo jumbo rims (even now) for 800-1000 which will be absolute masterpiece, but they keep the prices as much as possible reasonable. Pricing for the Podium bases shows to me that they really think for their products to be pricing-future prooved!
The Porsche rim was €500 on release and the XB1 Uni Hub is €480 with a rim. The one they showed in the video is the same Uni Hub with magnetic shifters and 4 additional paddles and you think it will only be €120 more max.....For the rims I think 500/600 Euro must be and will be the maximum price... in these days 500/600 Euro for mass production rim are a lot of money...Fanatec always can do insanely good mumbo jumbo rims (even now) for 800-1000 which will be absolute masterpiece, but they keep the prices as much as possible reasonable. Pricing for the Podium bases shows to me that they really think for their products to be pricing-future prooved!
I’m sorry to disappoint you but like the people hoping for a €750-800 DD base it’s wishful thinking. The CSW rims are good enough for most people and already reasonably priced and probably the only rims even available on release. Given my prediction for the base DD base was correct I’m pretty confident I’m also accurate with this.
DD1 looking good. But what is the use of DD2 motor in DD1 if it is turned down? Durability?
Still as they write in their description:
"peak torque of 20Nm, matching the torque output in most real race cars using power steering."
So according to them DD1 matches race cars at peaks. While DD2 constant 18nm is close.
Still would be cool to have an ability to choose. I wonder if they are assembling in china or in-house. because I imagine to make it cheaper most parts are interchangeable.
Problem is that in my country it is hard to sell sim gear (If I would want to upgrade to DD2 etc)
Still as they write in their description:
"peak torque of 20Nm, matching the torque output in most real race cars using power steering."
So according to them DD1 matches race cars at peaks. While DD2 constant 18nm is close.
Still would be cool to have an ability to choose. I wonder if they are assembling in china or in-house. because I imagine to make it cheaper most parts are interchangeable.
Problem is that in my country it is hard to sell sim gear (If I would want to upgrade to DD2 etc)
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You forgeting the fact that current rims are Podium rims ,too. So I doubt that everyone wants F1 rim for 800 Euro if you have great one for 250 Euro. The rim from the video have awesome paddles on the back, but I will say that price over 600 Euro is not a good and reasonable price.If we speak specific for it I give a price 500 Euro... You can`t compare with custom rims for example that we have in the simracing world, because they are usualy hand made in one or two pieces and everything for them is bought piece by piece on end customer price with shipping and customs import taxes sometimes. To start a production line is completely different thing, that`s why we have so good products from Fanatec on a very good price. As we see Podium line is with very reasonable prices for the bases, so I think they will jump on blind. When you make bussines your task is not to make one rim for 600 Euro to end customer. Your task will be to make let`s say 100 rims for 60 000 Euro to end customer price. This is completely different equation!
They are not, they are clubsport rims that work on the Podium base or clubsport light bases for that matter?!You forgeting the fact that current rims are Podium rims ,too. So I doubt that everyone wants F1 rim for 800 Euro if you have great one for 250 Euro. The rim from the video have awesome paddles on the back, but I will say that price over 600 Euro is not a good and reasonable price.If we speak specific for it I give a price 500 Euro... You can`t compare with custom rims for example that we have in the simracing world, because they are usualy hand made in one or two pieces and everything for them is bought piece by piece on end customer price with shipping and customs import taxes sometimes. To start a production line is completely different thing, that`s why we have so good products from Fanatec on a very good price. As we see Podium line is with very reasonable prices for the bases, so I think they will jump on blind. When you make bussines your task is not to make one rim for 600 Euro to end customer. Your task will be to make let`s say 100 rims for 60 000 Euro to end customer price. This is completely different equation!
The Podium line is another tier above that, I think you are confused. CSL —> CSW —> Podium and the prices and performance reflect that.
An F1 style rim will be €500-600 range and the universal hub one they showed €700-800. Just because you don’t think that is reasonable and well priced doesn’t mean people in the market for high end gear agree. Let’s get real here a minute, DD to the mass market is not even remotely realistic prospect for a €1000 wheel base which needs an equally solid rig to mount it on.
This gear is solely aimed at those who can afford the best and love sim racing and those who want the best on a budget will just get it with CSW rims which are still good enough. Look at how many people convert them for OSW rims because they are so well priced, a tier above that with clutch paddles and what not for €800 is great value when the equivalent custom rims are still more expensive.
My custom LMP/F1 rim is made from carbon fibre has a LED display and rev lights and costs £900 and over £1000 with clutch paddles so a Fanatec equivalent for €600 would again be a bargain at 1/2 the price even at double the price of the CSW F1 rim.
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Why you explaining me CSL Elite - CSW - Podium , everybody knows this! I just said that all rims are Podium in the way they are compatible.
There is no such thing like "you will pay, because it is high end". If you cant argument yourself where the money goes - you will become next Bodnar price topic. As you can see what guys said here for Bodnar pricing... in the coming months and next year a lot of new products will pop up from different brands and the price tag will become very important. Fanatec support all my words with the pricing of the two bases. If it was you maybe they will cost DD1 - 2000 Euro and DD2 3000 Euro, but Thomas sees things few years ahead. Fanatec is long term company and needs carefully planing. It is quite possible to have podium rims for 800 Euro, I am not against to have rims for 3 000 Euro like this one that Barry reviewed Real formula rim. Another reason Fanatec to need reasonable prices is the fact that if the rims are too expensive people will bolt to Fanatec hub other high end rims they have or buy!
I will second you: Let`s get real here a minute!
Cheers!
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Nobody said expensive. If you read carefull what I write I try to guess lets say Fanatec`s plans and idea behind Podium rims line... Seven years back ( or so) I bought the Rosso F1 rim, so it is not the price. You just tried to make the convo like any other topic with price complains...
I hope here we can discuss what we want - it is not fanboy club that people jump on you when you say something different than " YEaaah Greaat Wooow"
All you can see I said tons of great things for Fanatec, because I think so, so I said so.
The people who don`t accept any other opinion deserve Hori for lifetime!
LoLLet’s keep things simple since you are going off on a tangent.Why you explaining me CSL Elite - CSW - Podium , everybody knows this! I just said that all rims are Podium in the way they are compatible.
There is no such thing like "you will pay, because it is high end". If you cant argument yourself where the money goes - you will become next Bodnar price topic. As you can see what guys said here for Bodnar pricing... in the coming months and next year a lot of new products will pop up from different brands and the price tag will become very important. Fanatec support all my words with the pricing of the two bases. If it was you maybe they will cost DD1 - 2000 Euro and DD2 3000 Euro, but Thomas sees things few years ahead. Fanatec is long term company and needs carefully planing. It is quite possible to have podium rims for 800 Euro, I am not against to have rims for 3 000 Euro like this one that Barry reviewed Real formula rim. Another reason Fanatec to need reasonable prices is the fact that if the rims are too expensive people will bolt to Fanatec hub other high end rims they have or buy!
I will second you: Let`s get real here a minute!
Cheers!
CSW Universal Hub €480
Podium Universal Hub €500-600 (According to you.)
Explain to me how that is realistic in your head for it to only be €20-120 more when it has upgraded magnetic shifters, what looks like 4 analog paddles and improved materials?
I’m not defending anything check my posts and you will see I’ve been more sceptical than blindly defending.
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I will try to explain... the uni hub can be 250 Euro itself - it is not Xbox one , I don`t see green quick release. The first Uni Hub without Xbox one supoprt was 250, but lets do it 299 , add rim for 80 - 380, so for the 220 Euro if you cant see how the paddles on the back can be produced, then how the F1 rim is produced for around that price
On top of that this is assembly and not bought piece by piece - that`s why can be 500, but lets do it 600... I am ok to see any rim on any price, just to justify it - I need to see materials , electronics and inovations leading close to that price segment. That`s it! I am one of the persons that never complain for Fanatec prices and even on the low bulgarian standart - I think they are reasonable and affordable! If they didnt have policy to do not sell in shops with distributors - I wil sell Fanatec here
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Nobody said expensive. If you read carefull what I write I try to guess lets say Fanatec`s plans and idea behind Podium rims line... Seven years back ( or so) I bought the Rosso F1 rim, so it is not the price. You just tried to make the convo like any other topic with price complains...
I hope here we can discuss what we want - it is not fanboy club that people jump on you when you say something different than " YEaaah Greaat Wooow"
All you can see I said tons of great things for Fanatec, because I think so, so I said so.
The people who don`t accept any other opinion deserve Hori for lifetime!
I wasnt directly talking to anyone and just speaking in general. The internet is just littered with complaints about the price of the podium. There are so many posts about this and that being expensive (here and other fora and social media)... Just dont buy it then already! I like the convorsation to go about tech, design and performance. The price too is important, but it isnt advancing any discussion when there is complaining about overpricing. And like you I was just voicing my 2 cents.
And I am not a Fanatec fanboy btw. You do seem very pro Fanatec and that is your right and I agree with you that they make good products. I am following the development of the podium closely. I am not a hardcore simracer and I am hopefull that DD tech will trinkle down to cheaper and more affordable wheels for the larger market.
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I wasnt directly talking to anyone and just speaking in general. The internet is just littered with complaints about the price of the podium. There are so many posts about this and that being expensive (here and other fora and social media)... Just dont buy it then already! I like the convorsation to go about tech, design and performance. The price too is important, but it isnt advancing any discussion when there is complaining about overpricing. And like you I was just voicing my 2 cents.
And I am not a Fanatec fanboy btw. You do seem very pro Fanatec and that is your right and I agree with you that they make good products. I am following the development of the podium closely. I am not a hardcore simracer and I am hopefull that DD tech will trinkle down to cheaper and more affordable wheels for the larger market.
That was before the EU price increases so I’m afraid to say your prices are off there already as is your rim price, those are sold separately and cost more than €80.I will try to explain... the uni hub can be 250 Euro itself - it is not Xbox one , I don`t see green quick release. The first Uni Hub without Xbox one supoprt was 250, but lets do it 299 , add rim for 80 - 380, so for the 220 Euro if you cant see how the paddles on the back can be produced, then how the F1 rim is produced for around that price
You’re also assuming the hub is identical and therefore has the same manufacturing cost but watch the video in super slo-mo (yes I’m that sad to have inspected it in detail) or even look at the picture postedand you can see part of the paddle mechanism is actually machined with the same piece of metal as the hub.
Even if they were just upgrading the shifters to magnetic, including 4 of them and then adding the two clutch paddles that’s more than a €120 difference but I’m hoping the materials have been improved too. For reference the plastic GT3 rim with clubsport QR is the same price as the all metal F1 rim, these will be €200-300 more than their Clubsport equivalent.
Though that particular wheel doesn’t interest me as I didn’t like the cheap button caps or the design particularly when I had one, I really hope they use better switches, knitters in particular feel great.
Bottomline; you get what you pay for. If a DD wheel, in this case DD1, 2, DD1 racing wheel is too expensive, don't get one. Get another wheel for less and enjoy simracing.
This thread is about the Podium DD wheel and not if these bases are expensive or not. If it is true what @Fanatec... says, and they perform exemplary the Podium bases are actually a bargain. Custom build motors, no slip ring but IR data trasmitting technology, unlimited degree of rotation, very smooth, almost no ripple effect, high acceleration and completely plug & play. AFAIK, only the Bodnar wheel is true plug & play as well. All the other DD wheels need tweeking. I have never been a Fanatec fan but this time, I think Fanatec has produced a wheel that could be considered as almost perfect.
Also, don't forget that it is mighty friendly of @Fanatec... to make all there peripherals compatible with the Podium DD bases. Fanatec could have produced a special designed wheel for the DD1 and 2 and make even more profit but Fanatec didn't. I find this very interesting, good marketing and very nice.
This thread is about the Podium DD wheel and not if these bases are expensive or not. If it is true what @Fanatec... says, and they perform exemplary the Podium bases are actually a bargain. Custom build motors, no slip ring but IR data trasmitting technology, unlimited degree of rotation, very smooth, almost no ripple effect, high acceleration and completely plug & play. AFAIK, only the Bodnar wheel is true plug & play as well. All the other DD wheels need tweeking. I have never been a Fanatec fan but this time, I think Fanatec has produced a wheel that could be considered as almost perfect.
Also, don't forget that it is mighty friendly of @Fanatec... to make all there peripherals compatible with the Podium DD bases. Fanatec could have produced a special designed wheel for the DD1 and 2 and make even more profit but Fanatec didn't. I find this very interesting, good marketing and very nice.
