Fanatec Podium Direct Drive Wheel Bases Thread

[kikie]

Who said that they are expensive to put this bottom line? LoL

Why do I have the feeling that you think I was talking about you? I wasn't. It was a general statement just as @PocketZeven said. BTW, I said a lot more important things in my bottomline.

There has been so much talk about the price in this thread that one can only come to the conclusion that people think the Podium line is expensive.

 

[Krassi]

Why do I have the feeling that you think I was talking about you? I wasn't. It was a general statement just as @PocketZeven said. BTW, I said a lot more important things in my bottomline.

There has been so much talk about the price in this thread that one can only come to the conclusion that people think the Podium line is expensive.

Not thinking that you talk for me... I just asked, because after price announcement I see and hear only positive reactions...really I didn`t saw even one complain for the price!

 

[PocketZeven]

That was before the EU price increases so I’m afraid to say your prices are off there already as is your rim price, those are sold separately and cost more than €80.

You’re also assuming the hub is identical and therefore has the same manufacturing cost but watch the video in super slo-mo (yes I’m that sad to have inspected it in detail) or even look at the picture postedand you can see part of the paddle mechanism is actually machined with the same piece of metal as the hub.

Even if they were just upgrading the shifters to magnetic, including 4 of them and then adding the two clutch paddles that’s more than a €120 difference but I’m hoping the materials have been improved too. For reference the plastic GT3 rim with clubsport QR is the same price as the all metal F1 rim, these will be €200-300 more than their Clubsport equivalent.

Though that particular wheel doesn’t interest me as I didn’t like the cheap button caps or the design particularly when I had one, I really hope they use better switches, knitters in particular feel great.

I think Fanatec is probably working on

Bottomline; you get what you pay for. If a DD wheel, in this case DD1, 2, DD1 racing wheel is too expensive, don't get one. Get another wheel for less and enjoy simracing.

This thread is about the Podium DD wheel and not if these bases are expensive or not. If it is true what @Fanatec... says, and they perform exemplary the Podium bases are actually a bargain. Custom build motors, no slip ring but IR data trasmitting technology, unlimited degree of rotation, very smooth, almost no ripple effect, high acceleration and completely plug & play. AFAIK, only the Bodnar wheel is true plug & play as well. All the other DD wheels need tweeking. I have never been a Fanatec fan but this time, I think Fanatec has produced a wheel that could be considered as almost perfect.

Also, don't forget that it is mighty friendly of @Fanatec... to make all there peripherals compatible with the Podium DD bases. Fanatec could have produced a special designed wheel for the DD1 and 2 and make even more profit but Fanatec didn't. I find this very interesting, good marketing and very nice.

Dont think they would neccesarily make more money if they used a different QR or different design. They have good margins on the clubsport line and an established production line and stock. It would also make upgrading from CSL or CSW a lot more interesting for a lot.

 

[Sprocket]

Not that it matters to me personally (I live in scandinavia), but does anyone have an overview of what, if any consequences the whole "Trump vs China & EU" trade war will have on the prices and availability of the Podium series on different continents?

 

[paskowitz]

Boom. There we go. That video hit all the right notes. $1K regular MSRP for DD1 sounds good to me. I probably won't get one at launch but not too long after that. Respect to Thomas and @Fanatec... for the follow up video. Very clear and pretty much answered everything the community was looking for clarification on.

 

[Dopplegagger]

Not thinking that you talk for me... I just asked, because after price announcement I see and hear only positive reactions...really I didn`t saw even one complain for the price!

Well then... here's a complaint. My wife will say no. Darn marrage, getting in the way of my first love.



But seriously, I'm going to have to do the mattress money thing. One day in the future, my wheel will magically break, and I will tell the Mrs I ordered a replacement (after the water dries that is)...

And "oh snap! My pedals don't work either" (after using the Fanatec CSR adapter wire to tie back a shrub for the winter). "Babe, I got to get pedals too... and I might as well get a shifter. And something to mount this to...


Don't be surprised if a "Used Husband" ad pops up on Craig's List.

 

[Melbourne Park]

Well then... here's a complaint. My wife will say no. Darn marrage, getting in the way of my first love.

Hah hah. You need to build up your Wallet in Paypal ... by selling some stuff on eBay. I sold some camera lenses and the expenditure will be unknown to my wife. For her though, It's more about the threat of a long time spent using the gear. If she knew how much it costs, she be worried about me spending too much time using it!!

 

[Jason Yu]

Podium Racing Wheel hasn't been revealed yet. Not entirely.

 

[Jeka_djonik]

Dopplegagger

a similar situation was at me when I collected money to a new bike. 1300 $ it was a lot but bike cost of these money he and now I-to-use. so that a man should put his wife on the place and buy those things that he delivered pleasure. it's better than to spend money on cigarettes and alcohol. probably all жоны against what would man played in such games and gave such big money. they are always love when they spend )) is not воспринимайте my criticism close to heart! I write loving.

 

[kikie]

The DD1 is the only direct driven wheel I'm would consider buying. Not a Bodnar wheel, not an Accuforce, not a Sim-plicity, not even a FeelVR. I mentioned the DD1 because I don't think I need a DD2, except when reviews mention that there is a tangible difference in realisme, acceleration, smoothness, ripple thing etc .... (Not the torque though, not interested in torque figures whatsoever). In that case, if I want a Fanatec DD2 wheel, I will cough up another €500 to get the DD2.

Well done @Fanatec... you have got my respect en trust.

 

[user3392345]

After that new video with specs & prices, i called my friends who will now invest into endor share cant wait....

 

[kikie]

I forgot to mention the fact that @Fanatec... is going to work together with big race sime developers for a perfect game/plug & play.

Good, very good.

 

[Whitestar]

From the video: "As I mentioned before; after months of evaluating the DD1 motor it just did not meet our high expectations of what a Podium product should look like. So we decided that for the first batches we're gonna make a huge upgrade for the DD1, and put the DD2 motor in the DD1."

What's going to happen after those "first batches"? Are you going to keep putting the DD2 motor into the DD1 until you sort out the issues you are having with the "original" DD1 motor?

And if you do sort out those issues; how will that improved "original" DD1 differ from the DD1s with DD2 motors in them?

 

[LearnersPermit]

I forgot to mention the fact that @Fanatec... is going to work together with big race sime developers for a perfect game/plug & play.

Good, very good.

I wouldn’t trust Fanatec just because they said so
Back in early 2016 when I still was only a console player and I still liked Forza, Fanatec had a Forza bundle for $1500 (with CSW V2, CSP V3, CSS V1.5) with a little animation saying combo was going to work with current systems and future ones, well I bought it for GTS and enjoyed it until all of a sudden the Fanatec wheels will no longer work on PS4 new releases just like Logitech wheels because of a “chip” meanwhile the Thrustmaster wheels still work without that chip

 

[PocketZeven]

I wouldn’t trust Fanatec just because they said so
Back in early 2016 when I still was only a console player and I still liked Forza, Fanatec had a Forza bundle for $1500 (with CSW V2, CSP V3, CSS V1.5) with a little animation saying combo was going to work with current systems and future ones, well I bought it for GTS and enjoyed it until all of a sudden the Fanatec wheels will no longer work on PS4 new releases just like Logitech wheels because of a “chip” meanwhile the Thrustmaster wheels still work without that chip

That isnt entirely their fault. But I think they had falling out with sony, because the wheel wasnt "officially" licensed? (not 100% sure). At the time Fanatec bet on X-box in stead of PS2/ps3 as I recall. (there were a lot of Xboc specific products and deals) But Playstation won that war.

After that new video with specs & prices, i called my friends who will now invest into endor share cant wait....

Their share exploded in the stockmarket when the CSL-e PS4 released last year. that is one of the main reasons their releasing a PS4 specific DD1.PS4 userbase are clearly not to be underestimated!

 

[lancia delta hf]

Well then... here's a complaint. My wife will say no. Darn marrage, getting in the way of my first love.

You need good tactics pal. Do what I do: siphon money away from other things like shopping just a tenner here and there. Stock pile it, when you have accumulated the correct amount needed......Woooo honey I entered an FB completion and won a podium wheel.

I'm the luckiest guy in the world, I win so many competitions without even entering one.

 

[Krassi]

Well then... here's a complaint. My wife will say no. Darn marrage, getting in the way of my first love.



But seriously, I'm going to have to do the mattress money thing. One day in the future, my wheel will magically break, and I will tell the Mrs I ordered a replacement (after the water dries that is)...

And "oh snap! My pedals don't work eit.her" (after using the Fanatec CSR adapter wire to tie back a shrub for the winter). "Babe, I got to get pedals too... and I might as well get a shifter. And something to mount this to..


Don't be surprised if a "Used Husband" ad pops up on Craig's List.

You need good tactics pal. Do what I do: siphon money away from other things like shopping just a tenner here and there. Stock pile it, when you have accumulated the correct amount needed......Woooo honey I entered an FB completion and won a podium wheel.

I'm the luckiest guy in the world, I win so many competitions without even entering one.

Now your wife reading this and preparing your new prize at home! LoL the reward wife scam is very old tactic ,btw!

 

[Dopplegagger]

You need good tactics pal. Do what I do: siphon money away from other things like shopping just a tenner here and there. Stock pile it, when you have accumulated the correct amount needed......Woooo honey I entered an FB completion and won a podium wheel.

I'm the luckiest guy in the world, I win so many competitions without even entering one.

That's sort of what I plan on doing, except I'm going to transfer money some into my savings account. Over time it will add up, and then I'll have "catastrophic Fanatec CSR equipment failure" (Wink-wink). I just have to work some overtime at the job and she'll notice nothing. Right now, I'm just in the planning stages now, even though I already started the plan in motion.

I have to get pretty much the list I wrote when I was comparing the Bodner's price to the Podium. Base, Wheel, Pedals, Shifter, A stand/cockpit of some sort, and the tuning/dampening kits for the pedals. I know there's no way to use the wheel with a temporary clamp, sort of like my current setup but if it were possible, I'd love to have a versatile setup like it.
Then again, Looking at my mess of a setup. I can use some shelving to organize my rig, consoles and games. Looks like I will be paying Home Depot a visit, in order to get some utility shelves.

 

[Krassi]

Thank Goodness that she's not a member of GT planet...

Hopefully.

Back in the days friend of mine in Bulgaria bought complete Fanatec setup CSW, but he was in panic what will say his wife...so I told him it is easy...it is all about how you will show this expensive buy to her... I said: Tell to her that you did this to stay at home close to her, not to go out on discoclubs where some baby girls can break his family! LoL - it worked! It is all about point of view!

 

[kikie]

That's sort of what I plan on doing, except I'm going to transfer money some into my savings account. Over time it will add up, and then I'll have "catastrophic Fanatec CSR equipment failure" (Wink-wink). I just have to work some overtime at the job and she'll notice nothing. Right now, I'm just in the planning stages now, even though I already started the plan in motion.

A man's got to do what a man's got to do.

 

[PocketZeven]

Just have a seperate savingsccount for personal purchases. Just be transparant about it. Dont see the fuss about it. Boys will be boys and boys need toys! Every woman understands that!

 

[skazz]

Just have a seperate savingsccount for personal purchases. Just be transparant about it. Dont see the fuss about it. Boys will be boys and boys need toys! Every woman understands that!

I'd say it depends. Does she get equivalent spending on her clothes/shoes?

 

[PocketZeven]

I'd say it depends. Does she get equivalent spending on her clothes/shoes?

Yep she gets about 1/3 of my income. I pay mortgage and all the utility bills and she pays for groceries, daycare etc. The car is paid for by my employer.

She probably also saves for designer shoes/clothes. We both also put some money in a savings account. So in the end I can spend my money the way I want and she can spend the way she wants.

 

[GJones88]

Kollmogen AKM 52-54, Leo Bodnar mention the peak torque of system 54 is 26Nm, I checked different model of 54, such as 54L, 54G, etc. None of them is 26nm peak torque, may be LB just give out the average torque as description
(14.4+37.8) /2 = 26nm

There’s more to a motor than just torque numbers which is why even though a Kollmorgen or Lenze motor have lower output than a big Mige they still feel better. For reference I believe rated torque is the RPM at which holding torque matches maximum torque which is something like 1000RPM.

Thomas said the DD1 will have the DD2 motor in it, but will be electronically limited to 20Nm Peak Torque. So I think perhaps that the AKM 54 Bodnar wheel which has a really big motor and it is likely electronically limited to 26Nm Peak Torque.

 

[LearnersPermit]

Thomas said the DD1 will have the DD2 motor in it, but will be electronically limited to 20Nm Peak Torque. So I think perhaps that the AKM 54 Bodnar wheel which has a really big motor and it is likely electronically limited to 26Nm Peak Torque.

Yes the motor of the Bodnar is limited to 26 Nm by the software the same goes for the encoder it’s limited to 2 million from its 16 million capacity

 

[Pennzoil23]

By the way, the new steering wheel with magnetic paddle shifters looks very good.👍

Agree , but just wonder is it good adding magnet feature on analog paddles ? As we know it’s usually use as clutch paddle, afraid affact the precision of clutch realease

 

[PocketZeven]

Agree , but just wonder is it good adding magnet feature on analog paddles ? As we know it’s usually use as clutch paddle, afraid affact the precision of clutch realease

There are also springs on those clutch paddles I think, So it should have analog resistance. The magnets perhaps add some extra feedback.

 

[F Inferno]

Agree , but just wonder is it good adding magnet feature on analog paddles ? As we know it’s usually use as clutch paddle, afraid affact the precision of clutch realease

The larger paddle and top 2 smaller paddles are shifters with magnetic resistance instead of springs which feel much, much better. The two lower clutch paddles are spring operated and the magnets wouldn’t cause any issues assuming they are using hall sensors which work by detecting magnetic differences.

 

[Pennzoil23]

The larger paddle and top 2 smaller paddles are shifters with magnetic resistance instead of springs which feel much, much better. The two lower clutch paddles are spring operated and the magnets wouldn’t cause any issues assuming they are using hall sensors which work by detecting magnetic differences.

I know what magnetic paddle is , I am using now , I just want to say the lowest small analog paddle are also designed magnetic feature , if you are releasing the clutch peddle , magnets may be added force to affect my releasing clutch timing .

Ps. Sorry for my bad English , wish you can understand

 

[F Inferno]

I know what magnetic paddle is , I am using now , I just want to say the lowest small analog paddle are also designed magnetic feature , if you are releasing the clutch peddle , magnets may be added force to affect my releasing clutch timing .

Ps. Sorry for my bad English , who you can understand

No worries, the bottom paddles are spring only no magnets same as the Ascher clutch paddles, so the magnet on the other paddles wouldn’t interfere with lever action.