Fanatec Podium Direct Drive Wheel Bases Thread

[Mr Sausage]

Now that stress test is seriously impressive. I can't think of a better and more thorough way to make sure a wheel you sell is going to be reliable.

 

[bjosim]

The T300RS started to act up only after one month.

I was just about to say that I've had my T500 ever since it got released with the Ferrari wheel bundle. Has to be at least 10 years now and it still works perfectly, except for the dramatic drop off in power and fidelity once it gets warm, but I think that may have been there from the start.

 

[Dopplegagger]

I know Fanatec is just going to tell us that it met expectations, but I want to see a breakdown of that test and it's data.

I also want to see how long the wheel base can hold maximum sustained torque. Why? I just feel like seeing some machines torture tested.

 

[Mr Sausage]

I know Fanatec is just going to tell us that it met expectations, but I want to see a breakdown of that test and it's data.

I also want to see how long the wheel base can hold maximum sustained torque. Why? I just feel like seeing some machines torture tested.

Well since maximum torque on an electric motor is at nil RPM, you'd jut have the shaft delivering as much force as possible to an unmoveable object. It would be interesting but in my opinion it wouldn't reflect what the wheel is actually going to be doing. It would be like testing an automatic transmission with the car wheels permanently chocked.

 

[super_gt]

This test is from July last year. After the improvements over the past few months, the result may be better, but how much only @Fanatec... knows.

Edit; I would like to see the temperature data during this holding torque stress test.

 

[Shinu]

Could anyone that used DD wheels (any of them) educate me.
Oscillation and dead zones should be gone right ?

 

[Daz555]

I was just about to say that I've had my T500 ever since it got released with the Ferrari wheel bundle. Has to be at least 10 years now and it still works perfectly, except for the dramatic drop off in power and fidelity once it gets warm, but I think that may have been there from the start.

As it is now well out of warranty have you not considered cracking it open and modifying the cooling setup? My T300 is out of warranty shortly and as soon as it is I'll be modding it for much better cooling so that it can maintain full force feedback all the time.

 

[Dopplegagger]

Well since maximum torque on an electric motor is at nil RPM, you'd jut have the shaft delivering as much force as possible to an unmoveable object. It would be interesting but in my opinion it wouldn't reflect what the wheel is actually going to be doing. It would be like testing an automatic transmission with the car wheels permanently chocked.

Just wondering how long it would deliver that force until failure. From what Super GT shared, it looks like it would hold 15nm for at least 25 minutes. Which is impressive.

 

[super_gt]

Just wondering how long it would deliver that force until failure. From what Super GT shared, it looks like it would hold 15nm for at least 25 minutes. Which is impressive.

The AccuForce V2 is more impressive at the same test with 0% torque loss due to heat fade, but the torque of the AccuForce V2 is only 13Nm.

"Extreme efficiency (Up to 13Nm sustained torque at 100% stall for 30 minutes with 2°F temperature rise over ambient with 0% torque loss due to heat fade)"

 

[bjosim]

As it is now well out of warranty have you not considered cracking it open and modifying the cooling setup?

I considered it, but went ahead and bought the Podium instead Besides, from the video I watched it seemed too much a hassle just to open it up and get to where you need.

 

[DomB_Fanatec]

Well since maximum torque on an electric motor is at nil RPM, you'd jut have the shaft delivering as much force as possible to an unmoveable object. It would be interesting but in my opinion it wouldn't reflect what the wheel is actually going to be doing. It would be like testing an automatic transmission with the car wheels permanently chocked.

^ This. Our holding torque test (not shown in the video) is a ludicrously tough and unreasonable test, as it does not represent any sim racing scenario. There is simply no situation in normal use where the motor would be delivering full power at full stall for more than a few seconds (and therefore the peak torque figure is actually more significant for sim racing). However, it is an effective way to reach high temperatures very quickly for our own testing procedures, and the fact that we can claim such high holding torque figures is a testament to how robust the motor design is. The 'battle' test in the video is a much more realistic stress test, as it simulates human operation.

Could anyone that used DD wheels (any of them) educate me.
Oscillation and dead zones should be gone right ?

There are certainly no dead zones (there are no dead zones on any of our bases), but oscillation is a more complicated topic, as there are several contributing factors. One cause of oscillation is when an FFB device is 'too responsive' relative to the update rate of the game. For example, a game might send a clockwise signal, the base responds too quickly, making the wheel position end up too far to the right, so the game then has to send an anticlockwise signal to compensate, and the feedback loop just gets worse and worse. Direct drive systems are actually more prone to this type of oscillation than less powerful wheel bases. Thankfully, developers are getting a handle on this as they gain more experience with direct drive, and we also have a 'natural damper' setting in the Tuning Menu that can be adjusted on the fly to reduce the effects of oscillation.

 

[Shinu]

^ This. Our holding torque test (not shown in the video) is a ludicrously tough and unreasonable test, as it does not represent any sim racing scenario. There is simply no situation in normal use where the motor would be delivering full power at full stall for more than a few seconds (and therefore the peak torque figure is actually more significant for sim racing). However, it is an effective way to reach high temperatures very quickly for our own testing procedures, and the fact that we can claim such high holding torque figures is a testament to how robust the motor design is. The 'battle' test in the video is a much more realistic stress test, as it simulates human operation.
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DD1 and PS4 bases (for now) have limited DD2 motors so the graph should be similar on the stress test (except the max torque limit) ?

Do you have any rigs tested with the bases ? (I'm currently looking into the Rseat S1)

 

[F1Aussie]

This test is from July last year. After the improvements over the past few months, the result may be better, but how much only @Fanatec... knows.

Edit; I would like to see the temperature data during this holding torque stress test.

I thought the dd2 was meant to have a minimum of 18nm holding torque and 15nm for the dd1?!

 

[Krassi]

Could anyone that used DD wheels (any of them) educate me.
Oscillation and dead zones should be gone right ?

Beside the detailed answer of Dom...I can tell that you can see Dead Zone or Oscilation in some titles, because of their settings...for example Dirt Rally 2.0 by some odd reasson added dead zone 20 to DD wheel profile which is insane and you need manualy return it to 0...in general best experience with DD wheel comes when best settings in wheels app and ingame are set ( best for the title).....one of the biggest achievements of Fanatec even from older wheels is the "on the fly settings", so you can change wheel/base settings without leaving the race...

 

[super_gt]

I thought the dd2 was meant to have a minimum of 18nm holding torque and 15nm for the dd1?!

"The Podium Wheel Base DD2 holding torque is not less than 18Nm even under heavy use in a race."

I guess that Fanatec's answer will be that this holding torque stress test is much heavier than realistic racing conditions and in such conditions, the holding torque will not fall under 18Nm.

 

[Fanatec...]

The AccuForce V2 is more impressive at the same test with 0% torque loss due to heat fade, but the torque of the AccuForce V2 is only 13Nm.

"Extreme efficiency (Up to 13Nm sustained torque at 100% stall for 30 minutes with 2°F temperature rise over ambient with 0% torque loss due to heat fade)"

What does "up to" really mean in this sentence? So can it be 12 or 10 or 9 Nm of sustained torque as well?

 

[Krassi]

I think that 2019 released wheel is much more advanced equipment to discuss beside those Nm charts and calculations Dunno why, but major topic is always the Nm? Tons of other details are important the wheel to be good or not so good! Just my 2 stotinki ( bulgarians cents)
I have full faith in the DDs, btw!

 

[super_gt]

What does "up to" really mean in this sentence? So can it be 12 or 10 or 9 Nm of sustained torque as well?

From the written, I expect AccuForce to maintain 13Nm of torque for 30 minutes without any loss of torque otherwise the ad will be misleading.

 

[Fanatec...]

From the written, I expect AccuForce to maintain 13Nm of torque for 30 minutes without any loss of torque otherwise the ad will be misleading.

Then I suggest that somebody should test and verify that

 

[andrewhake]

What does "up to" really mean in this sentence? So can it be 12 or 10 or 9 Nm of sustained torque as well?

Yeah "up to" and "sustained" don't really make much sense in the same sentence..

 

[Whitestar]

"up to" is probably the most used empty phrase in marketing nowadays.
It's an easy way to pretty up a product. What it really means is "in some scenarios" or "in rare situations".

 

[Krassi]

"up to" is probably be the most used empty phrase in marketing nowadays.
It's an easy way to pretty up a product. What it really means is "in some scenarios" or "in rare situations".

haha, much better phrase will be " at the end of the day you will have your 13 Nm" LoL

 

[kikie]

"Up to" is probably as @Fanatec... says.

So can it be 12 or 10 or 9 Nm ...

"Up to" is not exact. It more in the sense of "close to".

 

[F1Aussie]

Up to can be anywhere between 0 and 13, hardly an endorsement of something having 13 all the time.

 

[Krassi]

@DomB_Fanatec
Do you planned at Fanatec the Podium bases to have some Telemetry realtime and log - to be possible for user to check how the base behave? Sorry, if this was mentioned somewhere, I didnt saw it...

 

[Dopplegagger]

To me, when a company says "up to", that means a best case scenario. One of the ISPs around here was always advertising "speeds up to 50Mbps" in their commercials. When I had service from them, they couldn't deliver the speeds they promised back then; even, at relatively low usage times. And speeds during high usage times were abysmal. But in their testing, their equipment could hit 50Mbps, so they were perfectly fine saying they can deliver up to 50Mbps. Even though in they never hit those numbers for me.

But why are we discussing this? All companies use vague terms, when ever they're selling something.

 

[Shinu]

Just bit the bullet (in part I wanted to treat myself)
Preordered DD ps4 and a new rig .. Just hope there will be no more delays because now the wait will be hard.

Planing to use extended hdmi to hook my PC so I can get back to my roots (PC sim racing in the mix of my casual GT sport races) Just hope 4k@60fps is enough (Modern sim ffb and physics should be independent from display)

 

[Krassi]

Just bit the bullet (in part I wanted to treat myself)
Preordered DD ps4 and a new rig .. Just hope there will be no more delays because now the wait will be hard.

Planing to use extended hdmi to hook my PC so I can get back to my roots (PC sim racing in the mix of my casual GT sport races) Just hope 4k@60fps is enough (Modern sim ffb and physics should be independent from display)

Congrats!!! Good choice!

 

[Shinu]

Congrats!!! Good choice!

Hope so
Now it is the hardest part - waiting

It is ironic that when I was heavily racing in rfactor leagues back in a day I dreamt about that kind of setup. Now when I will have it I'm more on a casual side because of the time constraints (but work allows me to get that kind of setup )

 

[Krassi]

Hope so
Now it is the hardest part - waiting

It is ironic that when I was heavily racing in rfactor leagues back in a day I dreamt about that kind of setup. Now when I will have it I'm more on a casual side because of the time constraints (but work allows me to get that kind of setup )

All of us I believe are in the same scenario - first you race alot ,because have time, but dont have the dreamed setup....after that you can afford what you want, but sadly - you dont have the time like before!