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[Torzilla]

Sundays work for me, can't wait to get back on the track.

 

[daddyo845]

Alright so in about half an hour with the miata I got a 1:44.033 and 107mph on the main straight with only sm tires and stage 1 engine tuning

Mazda rx8 I put on sh and detuned to 85% power and I ended up with a 1:44.418 at 110mph

This one was quick and easy
I took the Subaru brz threw some sm tires on it and got a 1:44.271 and 107mph on the main stretch

I will be trying some of the other cars as well. 👍

Also Brandon, which focus do you want us using?

 

[BrandonW77]

Alright so in about half an hour with the miata I got a 1:44.033 and 107mph on the main straight with only sm tires and stage 1 engine tuning

This one was quick and easy
I took the Subaru brz threw some sm tires on it and got a 1:44.271 and 107mph on the main stretch

I will be trying some of the other cars as well. 👍

Also Brandon, which focus do you want us using?

Good deal. You'll be a few mph down on the long straights, maybe toss on a chip or intake to speed it up a bit and toss some ballast on to slow it in the turns. 👍

I want everyone to use premium cars so we can out number plates on. We were using the '13 Focus, if there's another premium one it would probably be ok. 15th Anniversary is ok too, but I'd recommend tossing a different transmission on them because the jump to fifth gear is huge.

How about Sunday at 4 or 5pm EDT? I think that time works for most of our European friends.

 

[daddyo845]

That time works for me and keep checking my previous post as I am adding other cars that I've tested there as well

Right now I'm just coarsely tuning the cars and the I will fine tune them later

 

[SagarisGTB]

Full disclosure: I've never hosted parity racing, only participated, so I'm trying to get a grasp for what's going to be needed, what the pitfalls are, and unforeseen things I need to be aware of.

It's much the same as normal racing. The only thing you need to prepared for is what to do when someone goes too fast. There will be finger pointing, beer throwing, maybe Piquet-Salazar level fisticuffs. Though if you have planned actions for such situations, we could probably avoid the pugilism.

Edit: Qualifying is also tricky. We never really found the best way to do it, but it was either just starting and hoping for a random grid or qualifying with everybody trying to get closest to the target without going under.

 

[BrandonW77]

It's much the same as normal racing. The only thing you need to prepared for is what to do when someone goes too fast. There will be finger pointing, beer throwing, maybe Piquet-Salazar level fisticuffs. Though if you have planned actions for such situations, we could probably avoid the pugilism.

Edit: Qualifying is also tricky. We never really found the best way to do it, but it was either being random or qualifying with everybody trying to get closest to the target without going under.

Any suggestions? I plan on asking everyone to keep an eye on each other's times and give friendly reminders if someone is consistently too fast. A verbal warning if it happens too often and a temporary ban if necessary. When I did it before everyone was very honest and would announce when they were dropping power so everyone knew they were slowing it down.

Qualifying could be tricky. I figure just do it as normal for now and see who gets closest to the target. If someone goes too far under they will have to drop to the back or something.

 

[Drex124]

If everyone is supposed to run the same lap times then why not have the grid set to random?
There's always going to be faster people and faster cars, so policing the qualifying would be near impossible.

 

[KingKlingeling]

4pm EDT is fine for me 👍
I prepared some cars and till sunday I'm practising a 1.44.001 qualifying time

 

[Drex124]

So since my driver's license a week a go I've been chauffeuring one of the folks around PA, lots of fun....
Anyway, saw this one today, and got passed by it not long after.

Sunday won't work depending on when, should be fine sometime after 3 or 4 est

 

[SagarisGTB]

Any suggestions? I plan on asking everyone to keep an eye on each other's times and give friendly reminders if someone is consistently too fast. A verbal warning if it happens too often and a temporary ban if necessary. When I did it before everyone was very honest and would announce when they were dropping power so everyone knew they were slowing it down.

If you're referring to Deadnuts, that was a fairly small group of reasonable gentlemen, mostly carried over from the original parity racing group. Luckily for us, most newcomers were good chaps and were interested in good clean side-by-side racing over winning. I think we were lucky in avoiding problems and only had one incident where a driver had clearly not prepared and was running way too fast.

If you can convey to everybody involved what is expected with parity racing, I think it'll be similarly successful. It's possible a new driver can come in, hoping to win as often as possible, and try to skirt the rules, and in that case you would have to be quick and stern with the warnings to not let things get out of hand. One guy running too fast and getting off easy can send the wrong message to a group inexperienced with the concept. Or perhaps I'm being cynical. In any case, I think you have the right idea, just be prepared to accept that not everyone will take to this form of racing.

 

[daddyo845]

If you're referring to Deadnuts, that was a fairly small group of reasonable gentlemen, mostly carried over from the original parity racing group. Luckily for us, most newcomers were good chaps and were interested in good clean side-by-side racing over winning. I think we were lucky in avoiding problems and only had one incident where a driver had clearly not prepared and was running way too fast.

If you can convey to everybody involved what is expected with parity racing, I think it'll be similarly successful. It's possible a new driver can come in, hoping to win as often as possible, and try to skirt the rules, and in that case you would have to be quick and stern with the warnings to not let things get out of hand. One guy running too fast and getting off easy can send the wrong message to a group inexperienced with the concept. Or perhaps I'm being cynical. In any case, I think you have the right idea, just be prepared to accept that not everyone will take to this form of racing.

I feel as though everyone here would be honest and fair though.

 

[Torzilla]

Are we going to be doing one long race or two races like the Ferrari's? If its two races and someone is obviously running faster in the first you could just have them change tires, dial back power or simply have them funnel some tequila before the second race to even things out.

Any suggestions? I plan on asking everyone to keep an eye on each other's times and give friendly reminders if someone is consistently too fast.

 

[daddyo845]

I don't know if tequila is such a good idea. We wouldn't want any accidents now would we

 

[Jonnaidoo]

4pm - 5pm EDT works for me also. The race excitment is building up..

 

[Cu3e]

Sunday 4pm EDT works perfectly for me. 5pm could work but anything later I would probably have to pass.

Monday mornings are pain even without the 2am adrenalin peak to keep up until 3am

 

[AboveMeIsCool]

All events complete? Why not go through all the cars again?

 

[amarynceos]

Piquet-Salazar level fisticuffs

For those few who might not get the reference:


Anyway, snapped some crappy pics of my rides.

I'm probably going to use the MX-5 or the Civic for the test race. It would be nice if we can get all eight cars represented on the grid on Sunday. 👍

 

[Cu3e]

I will most likely take the Abarth 500. So far found it most fun of the cars I have tested.

But any car is fine except maybe the RX8. Personally I am opposed to down tuning a car more than few percent and only when there is no other way. I don't mind others down tuning, I just don't want to

 

[acedition333]

Okay, I just want to understand the concept. We have to set up our cars to a certain lap time and certain speed and NOT by a certain PP?? (using cars listed)

 

[BrandonW77]

Are we going to be doing one long race or two races like the Ferrari's? If its two races and someone is obviously running faster in the first you could just have them change tires, dial back power or simply have them funnel some tequila before the second race to even things out.

We will do multiple races. Dead Nuts did several races, about 10 minutes apiece IIRC. I'm thinking we could do maybe two 10 minute races and then a 20-25 minute race. The first races would be used for everyone to get a feel for their car and make any necessary adjustments between races. By the time we get to the longer race everyone would be really dialed in and using reverse grids for the second and third race could get everyone shuffled up nicely for the feature race. 👍

Okay, I just want to understand the concept. We have to set up our cars to a certain lap time and certain speed and NOT by a certain PP?? (using cars listed)

Correct. While there is a range of PP with the selected cars they are all fairly close, but this will vary from driver to driver. Since the targets were set with a stock car (in this case the Civic as it was the fastest, except for the RX-8) it shouldn't take too much work to get a car up to spec but you will probably have to toss some kind of power part on most of them. The Fit and Abarth will require more bits to be added, they are technically in a lower class in the real world series but I'm not trying to run a multi-class race so we'll just get them up to speed with the others to add some nice visual variety to the grid. I do hope to see most of the cars used and not everyone just using the same two or three cars, but everyone is free to run whichever car they like, and even switch cars between races if you like.

One thing, I think we will do a short rolling start for this event. A few of us did a test race last night and the FR's destroyed the FF's off the line and they weren't able to catch back up. If we do a rolling start off the grid and go green after the first hairpin it should negate any advantage the FR's have off the line.

For this test race we're going to use the preset list of cars, just because it's something I've always wanted to do and this will scratch my itch. If/when we take it live and make it a regular thing I will probably usually use much looser restrictions, like FR Murican Muscle, or Japanese lightweights, or hot hatches, or European saloons, and any car that meets those will be allowed. This will make it much easier for people to race the car they want to and require less prep on my end, especially if I can use room restrictions to narrow the options. Occasionally we might do special events like this where we try to recreate a real series or event but our bread and butter weekly racing will probably be more open.

 

[daddyo845]

Can I ask what someone did to the abarth 500 to get it up to speed?

 

[BrandonW77]

Can I ask what someone did to the abarth 500 to get it up to speed?

I haven't got that one dialed in so I can't help. On the Fit I had to add a couple go-fast bits, a different transmission and a LSD. The other cars I'd just have to add a chip/ecu or turbo or stage 1 engine tune, the Fit and Abarth require a bit more but they can both get there. I was actually a half second under target with my Fit last night, had to toss some kilos in the back. Feel free to put a LSD on any of the FF's, it really does help them get through turns. The Civic doesn't need one though.

 

[daddyo845]

I haven't got that one dialed in so I can't help. On the Fit I had to add a couple go-fast bits, a different transmission and a LSD. The other cars I'd just have to add a chip/ecu or turbo or stage 1 engine tune, the Fit and Abarth require a bit more but they can both get there. I was actually a half second under target with my Fit last night, had to toss some kilos in the back. Feel free to put a LSD on any of the FF's, it really does help them get through turns. The Civic doesn't need one though.

Did you choose a close ratio transmission Brandon? Or did you pick the fully customizable transmission?

 

[BrandonW77]

Did you choose a close ratio transmission Brandon? Or did you pick the fully customizable transmission?

I tried the close ratio first, it worked fine but I ended up putting the fully custom one on just because the close ratio one wasn't geared very well for this track. Either will do though. 👍

 

[daddyo845]

And for the mini does it matter which one we use? There are already several premium cooper s's so I don't know if you had any preferences.

Also with the focus on sh and no other adjustments I got a 1:44.248 with 111 on the straight.

 

[BrandonW77]

And for the mini does it matter which one we use? There are already several premium cooper s's so I don't know if you had any preferences.

Also with the focus on sh and no other adjustments I got a 1:44.248 with 111 on the straight.

There's more than one premium Mini? I'd say any of the modern ones would be ok, the old ones not so much. I'd highly recommend adding a LSD to the Mini, it was a bit of a turd but I think a LSD could fix it up.

Sounds like you're right on target with the Focus. Top speed is tricky so there is a +/- 1mph margin of error there, so if you're between 109-111mph you should be good to go. 👍

 

[daddyo845]

Just got a 1:44.422 which isn't too bad (will need to get back to it but I'm moving on to the next car for now) and 110 on the straight
Changes made: added sm tires, 6 gear close ratio tranny, stage 1,2, and 3 engine tuning plus a sports ecu and a medium range turbo kit.

 

[BrandonW77]

^ That's on the Mini? I don't recall mine being that far down on power, but maybe I was using a different one. I think I was using whatever the most current premium Mini is (regular, not the Clubman or anything).

 

[daddyo845]

Oops sorry forgot to mention that that was the fit

The abarth 500 was similar I got a 1:44.268 and 109 mph with all of the same parts except for the close transmission.

 

[BrandonW77]

Yeah, I had to pile parts onto the Fit to get it up to speed but it worked out well. I think it was only hitting 108mph on the straight but I wasn't going to break my neck trying to add 1-2mph but still keep the same lap time. I'm still not sure which cars I'll drive for the race, probably the MX5 and the Fit or Civic.