Ferrari in GT? Not a chance.

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There's loads of Supercars in GT4, loads of them, even if you use a strickter definition and only want to count the more top level supercars, your missing a lot out. But none of them drive close to how they're described on TV and in reviews ect.

Theres the TVR Cerbera Speed 12, the two Pagani Zonda's, the Nissan R390, the Tommy Kaira ZZII (yes it's a real road car), the Jaguar XJ220, the Cizeta Moroder and theres more. Then if you the less strick definitions of a sueprcar like they do on say TopGear, all the Ruf's barring the 3400S are supercars, the Spyker C7 Laviolette is a supercar as is the Callaway C12, the Dodge Viper SRT/10 and so on.
 
live4speed
There's loads of Supercars in GT4, loads of them, even if you use a strickter definition and only want to count the more top level supercars, your missing a lot out. But none of them drive close to how they're described on TV and in reviews ect.

Theres the TVR Cerbera Speed 12, the two Pagani Zonda's, the Nissan R390, the Tommy Kaira ZZII (yes it's a real road car), the Jaguar XJ220, the Cizeta Moroder and theres more. Then if you the less strick definitions of a sueprcar like they do on say TopGear, all the Ruf's barring the 3400S are supercars, the Spyker C7 Laviolette is a supercar as is the Callaway C12, the Dodge Viper SRT/10 and so on.

Well, still, not one of them feels ike supercars without more snappy tyre characteristics, but to the subject of this thread, because Ferrari Porsche and Lambo(and btw Maserati) have some of THE best supercars in the world, it's almost a must. It's a must in a way, I REALLY want them in, but no, not like I'm not gonna buy the game if they're not included;)
 
Ah ok, I see what you meant now.

But instead of branching out to the Big 3, why not branch out to Sweden some more? We got Spyker, why not Koenigsegg? How about Mosler? There are plenty of companies that made only supercars that are not recognized and who knows, maybe the GT series can help 'em out a little.

And then there's companies whose supercars we didn't get. How about a Panoz GTR-1 Road Car or Esperante GTLM?
 
*McLaren*
Ah ok, I see what you meant now.

But instead of branching out to the Big 3, why not branch out to Sweden some more? We got Spyker, why not Koenigsegg? How about Mosler? There are plenty of companies that made only supercars that are not recognized and who knows, maybe the GT series can help 'em out a little.

And then there's companies whose supercars we didn't get. How about a Panoz GTR-1 Road Car or Esperante GTLM?

Would love to, but I wanna drive a Ferrari Enzo, whether this makes me look stupid or not:P

But yeah thats a good alternative:tup:
 
Well, if Ferrari ever did make it, you know PD would have to be stupid to not include its flagship.

So if Ferrari makes it, you got your wish. IMO, I wouldn't get to hyped up though on the car being a blast if it did.
 
I always thought the Enzo was discusting, never loved it, but I recently became more interested in it's performance, and just 2 weeks ago my dad phoned me that there was a Ferrari Enzo like...400 yards away from my house near some hotel. I have been curious about how fast that thing really is ever since:embarrassed:
 
Live4speed and McLaren are perhaps two of the ones I've respected most on GTPlanet, and in this form, it's no different. I always play the alternative games. If supercars are what draws a majority of gamers to racing games, then why don't you give the existing cars a little racing? Give them a little love. I think the Dodge Viper is more of an exotic than a supercar. There's one thing you have to love about the Spykers- they are pretty quick. They look completely decent with some nice racing models. I'd re-reread Post #301 (Live4Speed) about supercars in GT4, because there are a great number of exotics and supercars. It isn't like every other GT car is some Kei or a "grocery getter." The number of sports cars in Forza probably outweighs GT4. Then again, who cares when there are a number of vehicles to all sorts of gamers. What about the ones who want to modify their daily driver (granted it's in a GT game) and mod it up to levels and performance far beyond real life? I wished the Scion tC was in GT4, because it would have been my little touring car in GT4. We'll probably see if it will be in the online-enabled GT4.

McLaren has some good names as well. I don't know how difficult it is to get Koenigsegg into a GT game, but they make wicked automobiles. I can recall racing those Koenigseggs that look like Ferrari Testarossas that pack over 1,000hp. Sounds like fun, huh? More information on Koenigsegg: { http://www.koenigsegg.com/ }. Have a good read! Mosler now. This is a Florida-based company which makes some sick vehicles usually powered by Corvette engines. They are based in Riviera Beach If I'm not mistaken, the Mosler MT900 was the first-ever supercar to be designed from computer renderings. These American beasts are probably one of the most underrated sports car companies in America other than Panoz. They have competed in FIA GT, Grand-Am (pre-Daytona Prototype or post-Daytona Prototype?), British GT, Spanish GT, the Bathurst 24 Hour race, and even JGTC/Super GT among others. They are solid sports cars, even if not as lustful of American cars as the Saleen S7. Here's their website: { http://www.moslerauto.com/ }. If you were born in 1989, you were born the same year as Panoz was founded. This company has competed in a number of sportscar racing series and even builds chasses for American open-wheel racing series like the IRL. They have created four different masterpieces: the Panoz Esperante, Panoz Esperante GT1, the hybrid Panoz Q9, and the Panoz LMP Roadster. All the ones I've noted carry the same front-engine/rear-drive configuration. The Panoz LMP Roadster was just about the only car to take it to the Audi R8. Their latest weapon is likely heading to Le Mans this June, the Panoz GTLM. Their website: { http://www.panozauto.com/ }. Here's another American supercar that not a lot of people have heard of- the Vision K/2. As conceptual as this car looks, it was built in 1998 by Vision Industries of Mar Vista, CA. Here's more information plus pictures: { http://www.visionk2.com/# }. Other supercars include Morrocco's Laraki Fulgura, ESNA Venere, Australia's JOSS Supercar, and many others I can't name.

Use the Internet, my friends. ^_^ Never know what you'll find. Anyhow, that's why I say that there are alternatives if you love supercars and sports cars. Many of them can still perform even if not many people heard of the companies I mentioned. To still want Ferrari, Porsche, and Lamborghini from all these different names when there are many different companies to scratch that supercar itch is fradulent and ridiculous. Learn to be open-minded.

UPDATE: I learned it's Laraki Fulgura, not Fulgara.
 
Well those things are amazing, the cars you just linked.

But I just want to watch topgear sometimes, be inspirated by a ferrari or whatever clip and then pretend to drive the ferrari/maserati/lambo/porsche yourself. I mean you can imagine how I feel right?
I got ABSOLUTELY nothing against the linked cars u mentioned. So bring those in....too!!

If it's PD goes on about realism, they will try to make the cars handle exactly the same as the real life cars, and in real life Ferrari is just THE supercar manufacturer, because their cars are unique and have some feel to it that cant be replaced. I just hope the amazing 3 get in. I mean if they do I'm soo friggin happy, PD just then did an amazing job wich they could be proud and it would be great advertisement for GT5.

I cant believe why you dont understand the guys that just want Ferrari/Lambo/Porsche in.
 
Possibly another way around the 'Big Three' dilemma (at least where Ferrari and Lamborghini are concerned) might be to get a license from some of the great Italian styling houses -- Bertone, Pininfarina, Ital Design, Zagato, etc. -- who would have a vested interest in having their concept or show cars (past and present) showcased in GT5. It was routine for them to do yearly concept cars based on the flagship (and sometimes racing) cars from Ferrari and Lamborghini in an attempt to get a commission from the auto makers. Often these cars were better looking and more extreme versions of the latest Ferraris or Lambos but with a legitimate "label" of their own (as they were only nominally "Ferrari" or "Lamborghini"). Any design that wasn't purchased by the auto maker belongs to the styling house.

If PD includes them in GT5, however, I'd suggest that they be given a resale value. One of the worst features of GT4 IMO is the "bright" idea of winning valueless concept cars. I mean one races hard to win them and often ends up owning several of the same car and the only option is to give them away like junk? That's bogus! It not only makes them worthless but the win as well. Also, there's really no excuse: concept and show cars not retained by the styling house in question often DO get sold at auction for very high prices.
 
Excellent points John.
BTW, don't forget this beauty from the States too.

http://www.sscautos.com/specifications.asp
If you haven't read up on this car yet, do so now.

The SSC Aero is posed as one of the fastest cars in the world. And then there's the Ultimate Aero, set on taking the crown from Bugatti and doing it at 260Mph.

The Ultimate Aero sits at over 1,000Hp and has broken R&T's slalom course record at 73.1Mph which beat the Enzo.

Want to make some Americans rejoice after many of their great autos were left out in GT4, add the SSC cars.

Forget the S7 TT (Not really, please add), add this sucker.
 
Wow, McLaren... I normally use "British bastard" to describe any mean TVR. But this thing you've shown me is an American bastard. This proves once again that you don't always have to look to big names to find great cars. This SSC Ultimate Aero is a powerful machine. On top of that, I'm sure some of you supercar fans can appreciate this screenshot looking like something you want to see in a GT game: { http://www.sscautos.com/graphics/gallery/img_40.jpg }. On top of that, the stats are unreal on this thing. You get a 260 mph speedometer? I think the McLaren F1 had a 240 mph speedometer. If you can't have Ferrari, Porsche, and Lamborghini, there are always some extra little-known companies you can look into. I'd still want to see the Saleen S7 Turbo in terms of big name cars, but these little-knowns are quite underrated.
 
Recently I've developed a liking for the Lamborghini Gallardo.

Not sure if it's the SE that's brought this on.
 
JohnBM01
McLaren has some good names as well. I don't know how difficult it is to get Koenigsegg into a GT game, but they make wicked automobiles. I can recall racing those Koenigseggs that look like Ferrari Testarossas that pack over 1,000hp. Sounds like fun, huh? More information on Koenigsegg: { http://www.koenigsegg.com/ }.

I think you mean Koenig.
Koenigsegg- Swedish Supercar Maker
Koenig- German exotic car tuners

Great post by the way:tup:

Rep heading your way.
 
Well, I was going for Koenigsegg (by the way, I appreciate the "rep," Ultrabeat. About time I get some love). I was going for Koenigsegg because the topic in question was supercars. I am not sure if the tires used in GT4 were bad for supercars or if the driving dynamics were just inferior. I usually loathe racing supercars as they don't really stick to the track and actually perform worse with horsepower additions. The Supercar Festival in GT4 required Standard or Sports Tires. I think racing tires should have been allowed. This is what the regulations should have been:

Production Cars Only
No Restrictions (on tire choice)

My Dodge Viper in GT4 has racing tires, which helped greatly when I've attacked Costa di Amalfi. But when I put on Sports Tires, the car handles like a NASCAR "stock" car. I realized as this point that NA/Turbo/Supercharger upgrades actually lessens performance unless you have a good handling setup. So no matter what supercars and exotics go into GT5, there will have to be driving dynamics to make cars handle better.
 
I was referring to the Testarossas.

Koenigsegg never made any, but Koening did. And pretty good looking too.
testarossa-koenig-comp-evo-2.jpg
 
JohnBM01
there will have to be driving dynamics to make cars handle better.

I agree:tup: If GT5 wont have Ferrari and stuff included, I need to see how exciting the other cars are to drive. In real life Pagani is my favorite supercar. In orange that is:sly:
 
ultrabeat
I was referring to the Testarossas.

Koenigsegg never made any, but Koening did. And pretty good looking too.
testarossa-koenig-comp-evo-2.jpg

Yes, Koenig has made some fantastic tuner cars, however due to the fact they're a tuner, this means PD can't use their cars.

My only problem with them is that I am associated with the company because of my family and name.
 
*McLaren*
Yes, Koenig has made some fantastic tuner cars, however due to the fact they're a tuner, this means PD can't use their cars.

My only problem with them is that I am associated with the company because of my family and name.

Not quite sure what you are pointing to my friend, but GT4 has a whole section called TUNER VILLAGE, so i think your statement needs a little revision.
 
SavageEvil
Not quite sure what you are pointing to my friend, but GT4 has a whole section called TUNER VILLAGE, so i think your statement needs a little revision.
Check again.

Everything in the Tuner Village is a part of company who's in GT.

You can't have a Koenig 550 Maranello or a Hamann F40 without consulting the people who built the car. Ferrari.
 
I am just going to come out and say it. I WANT FERRARI in this game. I can't sit here and put up a really well written highly educated arguement and sound like a great car guy. That I am not. I do love cars though and I have a passion for some of them. Ferrari is one. Everyone could sit here and point out great supercars until they are blue in the face (or fingers) and it wouldn't matter. To me and I think many many others Ferrari is more then a supercar and is THE supercar. . It's a car with soul, spirit, and a legacy that few if any other car manufactures can rival. When I think of racing I think of Ferrari. There are plenty of other supercars that can out perform a ferrari but it's not about that either. It's about the sound, the look, and the feel of the car. Ferrari is innovative, cutting edge, beautiful, and a great performer. I think it's a shame their cars haven't been in the GT series. Has it taken away from the series? No, the GT series is great and has turned me on to many other great cars. The Zonda comes to mind first. I didn't know the car existed until I played it in the game. I quickly fell in love with it. However, I think Ferrari's would sit nicely next to the great cars already in the game and open up another aspect to this game by opening up the world of vintage european road racing.

As for the other two companies, Lamborghini and Porsche. I honestly have never taken lamborghini too seriously. They make great cars, but they don't have the rich racing history that Ferrari has. Porsche of course does have a nice race history. My only arguement for the other two car companies is that I do not know a male my age (mid 20s) that didn't have either a Ferrari, Lamborghini, or Porsche poster in the bedroom as a child. It was either a Testarossa, Countach, or 911 and everyone had atleast one. I think it would satisfy a lot of 20 somethings to put these cars in the game.
 
you know, im going to agree with the majority of the people in this topic. i would love for ferrari, lambo, and porsche (none the less mosler, koenigsegg and more) to be in gt5. but if theyre not (which im sure the car list will be improved somewhat) im not going to not buy gt 5.

getting these cars would, to me, make the game "complete". without them, its still an amazing and unbelievable game. but with them, the game would cover vehicles that have great race history and now "tuner" history.

thats another thing i hope to see. add some of the euorpean tuner companies like hamman, ac schnitzer, alpina and so on. that would give more tuners to the list too.

any feedback is welcome :)
 
Hey, more is always better. I'm all for cramming as much gram in GT5 as possible.

And I've been slinging kudos all over this board and you must need a lot of them because no one shows any reps yet. :P
 
IMADreamer
I am just going to come out and say it. I WANT FERRARI in this game. I can't sit here and put up a really well written highly educated arguement and sound like a great car guy. That I am not. I do love cars though and I have a passion for some of them. Ferrari is one. Everyone could sit here and point out great supercars until they are blue in the face (or fingers) and it wouldn't matter. To me and I think many many others Ferrari is more then a supercar and is THE supercar. . It's a car with soul, spirit, and a legacy that few if any other car manufactures can rival. When I think of racing I think of Ferrari. There are plenty of other supercars that can out perform a ferrari but it's not about that either. It's about the sound, the look, and the feel of the car. Ferrari is innovative, cutting edge, beautiful, and a great performer. I think it's a shame their cars haven't been in the GT series. Has it taken away from the series? No, the GT series is great and has turned me on to many other great cars. The Zonda comes to mind first. I didn't know the car existed until I played it in the game. I quickly fell in love with it. However, I think Ferrari's would sit nicely next to the great cars already in the game and open up another aspect to this game by opening up the world of vintage european road racing.

As for the other two companies, Lamborghini and Porsche. I honestly have never taken lamborghini too seriously. They make great cars, but they don't have the rich racing history that Ferrari has. Porsche of course does have a nice race history. My only arguement for the other two car companies is that I do not know a male my age (mid 20s) that didn't have either a Ferrari, Lamborghini, or Porsche poster in the bedroom as a child. It was either a Testarossa, Countach, or 911 and everyone had atleast one. I think it would satisfy a lot of 20 somethings to put these cars in the game.

Exactly!👍
It's not the unknown-supercars VS Ferrari Porsche and Lambo, it's more like unknown supercars + the big 3.
The unknown supercars would be very good replacements for Ferrari but GT5 still wont feel complete to me if the big 3 are excluded again, and it's not even sure if we need any replacements cause they might actually be ingame. Who knows? Dont go take conclusions this early.
 
*McLaren*
Check again.

Everything in the Tuner Village is a part of company who's in GT.

You can't have a Koenig 550 Maranello or a Hamann F40 without consulting the people who built the car. Ferrari.

They could have Gemballa, Hamaan and Prodrive whoever else, those are fully independant, hence why RUF is in there. Notice that these companies rebadge the cars, that's the only thing different about Tuner Village, they have the same name as the stock vehicles.

The Koenig tuned 550 Maranello isn't called by that name, they rename their handi work as well, so that is moot. They don't need squat from ferrari to have their cars included in a game, anyone remember Toca2, it had the testarossa looking Koenig in there, no liscence from ferrari needed.
 
Well, I CAN sit here and put up a really well-written, highly-educated argument about all of this and sound like a great car guy. I've always admired second bests. The thing many of you are forgetting is that I love all three companies being debated on here. Just because I say "I don't care too much to see them" doesn't mean that I am opposed to seeing them in the game. I'm not obsessed about these companies. I can probably tell you that I wouldn't feel offended if they don't make it in. I can do without the companies even though I love many of the debated companies. Many of you believe that I'm completely protesting the appearance of these cars. If that's true, then why do see me type "I am a Ferrari/Porsche/Lamborghini fan?" Am I betraying or contradicting myself?

I do believe in replacements. Take a look at Ruf. You can look at them as Porsche replacements, or as wonderful automobiles even if they resemble Porsches. I'm not worried too much about not seeing the different cars everyone wants. By "everyone" I mean most mainstream people sounding off on the same thing. Everything many of you are saying about "the big three" is pretty much true. The model many of you look for is Ferrari, Porsche, Lamborghini, and... (a bunch of unimportant, generic sports cars and "grocery getters"). Racing heritage of some sort can be found with these existing companies among others: Alfa Romeo, Bentley, Aston Martin, Mercedes-Benz, Honda, Lancia, BMW, Audi... all among many others. You're making this sound like the only car company worth ANY significance in a GT game. My biggest hook has always been racing and collecting cars, not focusing only on prestigious car companies other than Ferrari, Porsche, and Lamborghini. Every GT gamer is different. Why do you see people prefer wanting and racing stuff like muscle cars, Kei cars, people's own daily drivers (even if they aren't pure sports cars), and that sort of thing? Sports cars are honey, and we're the bees buzzing around wanting them dearly. It's almost as if we're making the success of a game be determined by car companies and not on the bases of solid gameplay and enjoyable racing. I believe in replacements so that if you can't have one type of car expressed, wouldn't you want replacements if you love automobiles? Don't worry if you never heard of one of these different companies, because look at it like this. I never heard of TVR or Aston Martin until Gran Turismo's release. Part of GT's appeal is seeing the world in a variety of disciplines. So I'm not offended by a company I've never heard of in a GT game. GT4 introduced many new cars and companies to me, and I love that. I never want to stop learning and exploring the world of automobiles. Once a car person, always a car person. That's the way it should be.

On a lighter note, thanks for setting me straight on the Koenig vs. Koenigsegg deal. So that car is the Koenig Testarossa that I was getting at? I always thought Koenig was a supplier of performance suspensions for cars and stuff. That's why I didn't mention Koenig as a car tuner. Heck, Koenig could probably make their own one-off of my beloved Ferrari 333SP race car. Here are more sites I've found on Koenig-tuned vehicles:

http://www.koenig-specials.com/
http://www.koenig-specials.com/ferrari/ferrari-testarossa84-92.html
http://www.qv500.com/koenigtestarossap1.php
http://www.jabbasworld.net/viewtopic.php?t=20046&start=120&sid=cfffdae46aede8bf35c92ea1dcaf643c (MANY pictures of Ferraris, a few Koenigs, as well as a few Hamanns - may recommend a non 56K connection (I hate using "56K beware!"))
http://www.terra2imports.ca/import-japan113493943018935.htm

Which of these would you favor (and why?): unknown supercars vs. Ferrari, Porsche, and Lamborghini; or unknown supercars and Ferrari, Porsche, and Lamborghini?
 
I'd prefer unknown supercars and Ferrari, Lamborghini and Porsche, simply becuase it's mean getting both. but given the choice of say 20 lesser known supercars or 10 cars from Ferrari, Lamborghini and Porsche, I'd want the 20.
 
SavageEvil
They could have Gemballa, Hamaan and Prodrive whoever else, those are fully independant, hence why RUF is in there. Notice that these companies rebadge the cars, that's the only thing different about Tuner Village, they have the same name as the stock vehicles.

The Koenig tuned 550 Maranello isn't called by that name, they rename their handi work as well, so that is moot. They don't need squat from ferrari to have their cars included in a game, anyone remember Toca2, it had the testarossa looking Koenig in there, no liscence from ferrari needed.

The Hamann F40 is a car that started life as a product from Ferrari. BECAUSE the car started life as a F40 and not anything else, it can't be in without a license.

Oh and BTW, Koenig renames nothing so your statement means jack squat.
http://www.koenig-specials.com/

See that? See the name Ferrari? See the model numbers? That's why Koenig can not put a car in GT4 without a Ferrari/Lamborghini license.

These cars from Hamann, Koenig and what not are REGISTERED under the original manufacturer.
You put a Koenig 348 into a game without Ferrari's license or notification, expect a law suit and a failed game.

BTW, learn something about Ruf. They aren't rebadged. They're pretty much built from scracth besides a frame.

Ruf is only associated with tuning through CUSTOMER Porsches. Because the Porsches rebadged as Rufs started life as a FULLY BUILT CUSTOMER Porsche, that is why everyone considers them tuned Porsches.
 
There are Koenig tuned cars which do not sport the original manufacturers name, the race versions. If you have Toca2 you will see the cars I speak of, it looks exactly like a testarossa, but it's called the Koenig P50 or something like that, no Ferrari in the name anywhere. I'll have to find that game it's somewhere around this room and get the names of the Koenig vehicles in the game.
 
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