Ferrari in GT? Not a chance.
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If GT5 doesn't have Ferrari, Porsche or Lamborghini - we will probably never see them in any future versions. None of us know what goes on behind the Polyphony Digital front doors, we can only guess at what reasons they have for not using those manufacturers. Sure, money and exclusive licences are probably the main reasons but we'll never know just how exclusive or for what length of time the other game developers licences will last for.
I would love to see these cars in GT5, they are gaping omissions in a game based on 'the world of motoring' but so far the previous GT games have always been great without them.
I would love to see these cars in GT5, they are gaping omissions in a game based on 'the world of motoring' but so far the previous GT games have always been great without them.
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You're exactly right, TheCracker. I wouldn't go to the level of "we may NEVER see them," though. I guess some people just don't realize what actually does go on. It usually drives me sick when people say that PD is too lazy in getting these companies in the game. If they can't get it in, you can't MAKE them get it in. There is a time in which one should actually pay attention to "legal mumbo jumbo" and take it into consideration. I don't think PD has all the money in the world considering someone considered PD as a second-party developer as opposed to a first-party developer. And I also hate how people have just taken this issue to incredulous heights. Almost as if great racing games are determined by high-profile car companies and not by driving dynamics and overall fun. It's the same price people put on GT4 when online play wasn't implemented. I gave the concerned public at large some calming and positive thoughts, and... yes. You guessed it. I get slammed for it. But I've learned to deal with it because if the world hated me and I was telling the God-forsaken truth, let them hate me. It just means that I'm going to be someone who has a totally different opinion regardless if the rest of the world doesn't give a flying s:censored: what I believe.
We just make mountains out of molehills, so to speak. I'm not going to do that with Ferarri and company, and I don't intend to anytime soon. I'm not even going to recommend this to my future grandchildren who will be on GTPlanet (granted GTPlanet stays on for as long as my kids join GTP). All I'm claiming is that not having these car companies in a video game is actually a much smaller thing than it actually is. I don't think I heard of people say that GTR is a good game because Ferrari and company are in, so why GT? Do having these companies make THAT much of a difference? I'll keep coming up with these redundant points until it's understood by a vast majority of my peers at large.
We just make mountains out of molehills, so to speak. I'm not going to do that with Ferarri and company, and I don't intend to anytime soon. I'm not even going to recommend this to my future grandchildren who will be on GTPlanet (granted GTPlanet stays on for as long as my kids join GTP). All I'm claiming is that not having these car companies in a video game is actually a much smaller thing than it actually is. I don't think I heard of people say that GTR is a good game because Ferrari and company are in, so why GT? Do having these companies make THAT much of a difference? I'll keep coming up with these redundant points until it's understood by a vast majority of my peers at large.
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Err... are you loosing your Quality Posts banner because some yahoos are giving you anti-kudos, John? Meh. The net is full of some pretty lame people if so. 
And actually I respect John's many MANY
attempts to counter the rabid posts of some of these guys. You know the types. "GT is teh suk if Kaz dont lissen to meeee!" Or a more lucid "I can't do donuts in GT4, and if I can't do them in GT5, AND if the Big Three aren't in the game, I'm not buying it OR a PS3!"
And actually I respect John's many MANY
attempts to counter the rabid posts of some of these guys. You know the types. "GT is teh suk if Kaz dont lissen to meeee!" Or a more lucid "I can't do donuts in GT4, and if I can't do them in GT5, AND if the Big Three aren't in the game, I'm not buying it OR a PS3!"
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Tenacious DErr... are you loosing your Quality Posts banner because some yahoos are giving you anti-kudos, John? Meh. The net is full of some pretty lame people if so.
I was going to say - i'm sure John had a 'quality post' tag?
- I can't see that anyone would ever give poor rep to him!
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It would be nice if the better of us had those badges. I'd like one myself, but if they don't think I'm worth it, that's cool, it's a free board and all. But to diss on a really cool, SMART guy to make it go away is pretty cheap.
Anyway, I'm pretty sure John is just trying to balance out the net screamers and fanboys. He did vote yes after all. And like he's stated many times, we keep buying Gran Turismo games without Lambos or Ferraris, and Porsches after a fashion. But along with the rabid kids who are flaming mad that PGR3 has these supercars and Gran Turismo doesn't, it is fun to beg and lobby for those cars. This is a driving and racing game, and the immersion is excellent, so it's kind of a no-brainer that many of us would sit in the bleachers and throw popcorn on the floor when these games don't include some of these dream machines.
As I said before, it's one of the reasons I bought Forza. Having those Ferraris is such a rush, and they have a unique driving personality that a Porsche or Skyline doesn't have. And that sound... I get shivers sometimes, and the replays are so awesome, especially if I gave one a racing paint job and decals. Having the other supercars is cool and all, but they just aren't the same. We always want more. I like being the voice of reason in the middle, stating that sure, I'll buy whatever Gran Turismo game shows up on the PS3 shelves and love every mile of it. But it sure would be nice to mod up a 355 Challenge to GT Class racing spec.
So... Kaz-sama? Any love for us this Christmas?
Anyway, I'm pretty sure John is just trying to balance out the net screamers and fanboys. He did vote yes after all. And like he's stated many times, we keep buying Gran Turismo games without Lambos or Ferraris, and Porsches after a fashion. But along with the rabid kids who are flaming mad that PGR3 has these supercars and Gran Turismo doesn't, it is fun to beg and lobby for those cars. This is a driving and racing game, and the immersion is excellent, so it's kind of a no-brainer that many of us would sit in the bleachers and throw popcorn on the floor when these games don't include some of these dream machines.
As I said before, it's one of the reasons I bought Forza. Having those Ferraris is such a rush, and they have a unique driving personality that a Porsche or Skyline doesn't have. And that sound... I get shivers sometimes, and the replays are so awesome, especially if I gave one a racing paint job and decals. Having the other supercars is cool and all, but they just aren't the same. We always want more. I like being the voice of reason in the middle, stating that sure, I'll buy whatever Gran Turismo game shows up on the PS3 shelves and love every mile of it. But it sure would be nice to mod up a 355 Challenge to GT Class racing spec.
So... Kaz-sama? Any love for us this Christmas?
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It's not people that want them, he wants them himself, it's people that go overboar with wanting them, people that say they won't get GT5 without them, people that blame PD for not trying to get them, peopel that act like GT is nothing without them. Narrow minded fools that don't think that maybe PD just couldn't get them. It's a fact the PD talked to Ferrari during GT4's development, maybe Ferrari wanted an obscene ammount of money, or maybe they were tied up with Microsoft at the time, it's not blakc and white but some people seem blind to this and even after countless posts explaining that they still come back and make dumb comments on it all. I think that's what ticks John off and rightly so, there's only so many times you can explain something to people without getting annoyed.Niels
Do you have any idea of how many times I had to explain the TVR situation to people who were saying TVR is going out of business. Different topic but same principal, people key's making posts and threads that TVR was shutting down and going out of business ect. Why did I bother, because I'm a TVR fanatic, John is a Gran Turismo fanatic, you do the maths.
And now I'm babbling but you get the idea, John is missunderstood by many members imo but if only a fraction of his ideas for GT5 found their way int ot he game you bet it would be a vast improvment on GT4
.Noneof that post is directed at you Niels, if i seemed at all heate (it is very hot in here actually) it's not at you it's just to get the point across to answer your question
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So now I lost the Quality Posts badge? Well in a way, I still make quality posts even if I don't have a tag to recognize it. I still speak my mind and try not to be somebody I am not. I'm as real as life and death. I value everyone's opinion on GTPlanet of me. Think I'm an ass, fine with me. Think I'm one of the best posters to come in a long while, I appreciate that too. I'm just "doing my thing," so to speak.
All I've said earlier is that people put more of a tag on little scratch than key features. I've dealt with most everything PD's contained on a disc and put into a game. I had to race against two other Race Modified Camaros in one of the USA vs. UK or USA vs. Japan race series in GT1. I've tried to tame the TVR Speed 12 in GT2 while trying not to spin out my Toyota GT-One. I learned the limits and capabilities of a Formula One race car in GT3, not to mention running 2hr 45mins around the streets of Tokyo. And I've tried to make sure I brought home the bacon in GT4's GT World Championship. I never focused in on just certain types of cars or tracks. I'm more of a forgiving guy. I'm not sick of racing games where I can't destroy my car. I'm not sick of racing games where I can't enjoy supercar fun on a twisty, two-lane street. But people are. Part of a message board's existance is the bond between different people of different tastes. Surely mine aren't any different from anyone else. I'm a gamer just like you. I know what I'm talking about when I've claimed to have played all kinds of racing games. I live for racing games. It's my first love before anything else. I'm just not the obsessed type. Or maybe it's because I'm forgivable of many aspects of GT. I like the game for what it is. I don't ask too much for games. For those who have their say over what GT should be about, that's why I came up with all kinds of threads asking you what would simply make you happy and for why people make certain rants about GT games. Thank you for all your comments whether good, bad, or indifferent. My reason has been that it's small potatoes just to dislike the game because these companies aren't in the game. There were two cars I probably would have liked to see in GT4 that would have made me sort of happier with the car selection. One is the Scion tC and the Marcos LM600 Mantara (or whatever it's called). Okay, so they aren't exactly powerful or full of character (the Scion at least). That's what we fail to realize. A game like Gran Turismo encompasses all varieties of cars whether you like them or not. I mentioned the tC because I wanted to make that my own homemade touring car. Again, look back at the GTP member who wanted to see the Fiat Panda into GT4. Did we get it? Yes, we did. Did we get the Bentley GTP race car that won Le Mans? Sure did. PD can get car companies big and small. Bentley in GT4 was a great example, then Ducati and Aprilia were acquired in Tourist Trophy. Does this boil down to "then why can't gey get 'LamPorFerra'?" Not at all. Like someone told me, don't let these companies rule the roost. Someone said that a brand new GT experience would be to simply have these three companies in the game. So this was their logic: the game will be much different simply because some extra car companies is in the game. Never mind all the problems with GT games being solved because these pick-me-up car companies make a game better. Isn't that the logic people put onto this? Extra car companies make games better instead of essentials like precise steering, intuitive gameplay, and thereforth? Maybe it's better being an old-fashioned boy on things like me. Because even if times have changed and essentials have changed over time, how does that saying go? Oh yeah. "The more things change, the more things stay the same."
Care to reconsider anti-kudos?
All I've said earlier is that people put more of a tag on little scratch than key features. I've dealt with most everything PD's contained on a disc and put into a game. I had to race against two other Race Modified Camaros in one of the USA vs. UK or USA vs. Japan race series in GT1. I've tried to tame the TVR Speed 12 in GT2 while trying not to spin out my Toyota GT-One. I learned the limits and capabilities of a Formula One race car in GT3, not to mention running 2hr 45mins around the streets of Tokyo. And I've tried to make sure I brought home the bacon in GT4's GT World Championship. I never focused in on just certain types of cars or tracks. I'm more of a forgiving guy. I'm not sick of racing games where I can't destroy my car. I'm not sick of racing games where I can't enjoy supercar fun on a twisty, two-lane street. But people are. Part of a message board's existance is the bond between different people of different tastes. Surely mine aren't any different from anyone else. I'm a gamer just like you. I know what I'm talking about when I've claimed to have played all kinds of racing games. I live for racing games. It's my first love before anything else. I'm just not the obsessed type. Or maybe it's because I'm forgivable of many aspects of GT. I like the game for what it is. I don't ask too much for games. For those who have their say over what GT should be about, that's why I came up with all kinds of threads asking you what would simply make you happy and for why people make certain rants about GT games. Thank you for all your comments whether good, bad, or indifferent. My reason has been that it's small potatoes just to dislike the game because these companies aren't in the game. There were two cars I probably would have liked to see in GT4 that would have made me sort of happier with the car selection. One is the Scion tC and the Marcos LM600 Mantara (or whatever it's called). Okay, so they aren't exactly powerful or full of character (the Scion at least). That's what we fail to realize. A game like Gran Turismo encompasses all varieties of cars whether you like them or not. I mentioned the tC because I wanted to make that my own homemade touring car. Again, look back at the GTP member who wanted to see the Fiat Panda into GT4. Did we get it? Yes, we did. Did we get the Bentley GTP race car that won Le Mans? Sure did. PD can get car companies big and small. Bentley in GT4 was a great example, then Ducati and Aprilia were acquired in Tourist Trophy. Does this boil down to "then why can't gey get 'LamPorFerra'?" Not at all. Like someone told me, don't let these companies rule the roost. Someone said that a brand new GT experience would be to simply have these three companies in the game. So this was their logic: the game will be much different simply because some extra car companies is in the game. Never mind all the problems with GT games being solved because these pick-me-up car companies make a game better. Isn't that the logic people put onto this? Extra car companies make games better instead of essentials like precise steering, intuitive gameplay, and thereforth? Maybe it's better being an old-fashioned boy on things like me. Because even if times have changed and essentials have changed over time, how does that saying go? Oh yeah. "The more things change, the more things stay the same."
Care to reconsider anti-kudos?
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Once again, I agree with everything. And with that, I must sleep. I have an RP to run sunday, complete with a soundtrack. Lord Nobunaga's fiance has become a monster, and they have to stop her before she kills again.
Feudal Japan done anime style is as awesome as racing!
Feudal Japan done anime style is as awesome as racing!
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live4speedIt's not people that want them, he wants them himself, it's people that go overboar with wanting them, people that say they won't get GT5 without them, people that blame PD for not trying to get them, peopel that act like GT is nothing without them. Narrow minded fools that don't think that maybe PD just couldn't get them. It's a fact the PD talked to Ferrari during GT4's development, maybe Ferrari wanted an obscene ammount of money, or maybe they were tied up with Microsoft at the time, it's not blakc and white but some people seem blind to this and even after countless posts explaining that they still come back and make dumb comments on it all. I think that's what ticks John off and rightly so, there's only so many times you can explain something to people without getting annoyed.
Do you have any idea of how many times I had to explain the TVR situation to people who were saying TVR is going out of business. Different topic but same principal, people key's making posts and threads that TVR was shutting down and going out of business ect. Why did I bother, because I'm a TVR fanatic, John is a Gran Turismo fanatic, you do the maths.
And now I'm babbling but you get the idea, John is missunderstood by many members imo but if only a fraction of his ideas for GT5 found their way int ot he game you bet it would be a vast improvment on GT4
Well John brought some of the best ideas in this forum for GT5 and he's a very good member, I do understand more that he's getting tired of that...but wouldn't it be easier on yourself to ignore some criticism aimed at PD.
I think he shouldnt take notice of it too much cause there will always be those guys trying to piss everyone off by just saying the things someone else doesnt want to hear
No offcourse not m8 it helped out getting the point across, cause I do get it now.
[offtopic]here's no escaping the heat is there
We went out sailing today and the sun just really burned (my dad has a small sailing boat). I feel all dry at the moment kinda sick of it.[/offtopic]And John, though the quality post badge really doesnt matter at all, I'd never neg-point you for something like that. I didnt do it, it's not like it's important but it's kind of a bad gesture towards you from the certain person, you know?
Well anyway dont be too upset about the people saying they wont buy GT5 if they wont include the big 3. It's just impossible to convince everyone, and thats because there will always be those people that will try to make someone upset or just say the wrong things.
Maybe it's best to ignore those people as they wont ever change their minds anyway.
I hope you dont see me as one of those persons, because I have said some pro-big3 things (it's easier to type but I begin to hate that word....big 3) like "they do make a difference for the game" and stuff like that. But I've also spent money on getting LFS, and that game is proof that a game can even make it without ANY brand names or something like that. How foolish would it be to buy LFS but not buy GT5 because it doesnt have Ferrari? I do understand you there.
George Morley
The Porsches and the one Ferrari that are in MC3 are all Gemballas.
Tenacious D
The inability to do donuts means a lot more than a simple lack of donut-doing. It demonstrates some of the problems that are inherent in the GT physics engine as a whole. I don't expect you to agree with me on that, though, so I'll stop there.
Incidentally, I'm probably not going to buy GT5 or a PS3 anyway, simply because of the price of the PS3...and the promising possibility that the Wii will be a Nintendo console that will be worth owning alone, without needing something else to fall back on.
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Wolfe2x7The Porsches and the one Ferrari that are in MC3 are all Gemballas.
The inability to do donuts means a lot more than a simple lack of donut-doing. It demonstrates some of the problems that are inherent in the GT physics engine as a whole. I don't expect you to agree with me on that, though, so I'll stop there.
Incidentally, I'm probably not going to buy GT5 or a PS3 anyway, simply because of the price of the PS3...and the promising possibility that the Wii will be a Nintendo console that will be worth owning alone, without needing something else to fall back on.
Sadly, I must agree. Only the most die-hard Sony fans will probably shell out $600 for a system. I might buy the $500 later on, but probably around when GT5 drops in price (unless GT5 amazes everyone and makes a huge turnout for the best).
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I don't give a **** if any of those are in the game. It has RUFs, which are 10x better then any of them. As long as I have cars i'm happy.Niels
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On the notion of Ferrari, I love the 360 Modena. I REALLY love the F430 because it has more power (my only gripe with the 360 Modena). The F430 can be thought of as a bat out of Hell. The 360 Modena and F430 would be two Ferraris I'd LOVE to see. Number three would be the 333SP and maybe two versions of the car. I'd surely want to see the Momo 333SP (my favorite race car of all-time), and one of those Risi Competizione Ferraris (just for some Houston love and because they are probably one of America's best Ferrari teams). Here were notes I took on the MotorWeek episode featuring the F430:
* 483hp/343 lb. ft. of torque
* 0-60 3.5 sec
* software affects shifting, thus lessening times
* 11.7 - 120
* 171,000 base price. Add $14,300 ceramic brakes and $5,000 gas guzzler tax
As you may have noted, I recently changed my Avatar to the Risi Competizione F430 GT Race Car. I'm sure many of us who like Ferrari and want to see them in GT5 would like to see as many cars as possible. I recently picked up "OutRun 2006: Coast 2 Coast." This is an arcade game where you race up to 12 different Ferraris including tuned versions of these models. The game is old-school Sega racing goodness. Only gripe I learned about the game is that it doesn't feature the Daytona USA 2 and Super GT/SCUD Race venues like the XBOX's OutRun 2. It does slow up at times too. Though it is not a sim racer, I recommend you pick this game up just to check out the 12 Ferraris you can pick up in the game. The 12 Ferraris featured includes the following:
Ferrari Dino246GTS*
" 365 GTS/4 Daytona*
" F50*
" 360 Spider**
" F430
" Superamerica
" 288 GTO
" 328GTS
" 250GTO
" 512BB
" F40
" Testarossa
" Enzo Ferrari
* = Normal cars I currently own in the game
** = OutRun cars I currently own in the game
Polyphony Digital's acquisition of the Super GT license would likely give them the power to pick up the Ferraris that race in the series. I don't know if the Dentaire Projet Racing team is still around in Super GT, but that's one of the first teams I instantly recall when I think of Ferraris in Super GT/JGTC. I think the 550 Maranellos once raced in the GT500 class. A return of Racing Modifications could mean the chance for us to create our own Ferrari Challenge cars, or even our own Le Mans-bound GT racers. Or, you can check out this F430 Ferrari Challenge car: { http://www.supercarnews.com/cars/ferrari/f430-challenge/Ferrari-F430-Challenge }. Hmm... makes me want to come up with my own fantasy Ferrari of Houston cars. For more info on the Ferrari Challenge itself, visit { http://www.ferrarichallenge.com/ }. And I think even if PD doesn't get in Ferrari, I'd at least want to see Monza in GT5. Other nice Italian venues to make cars shine would be Mugello and Fiorano. I'm looking for double-purpose here so that we have more to discuss than certain car companies. I think these cars and these tracke would provide a wonderful way to share your love of Italian machinery in the Gran Turismo universe.
* 483hp/343 lb. ft. of torque
* 0-60 3.5 sec
* software affects shifting, thus lessening times
* 11.7 - 120
* 171,000 base price. Add $14,300 ceramic brakes and $5,000 gas guzzler tax
As you may have noted, I recently changed my Avatar to the Risi Competizione F430 GT Race Car. I'm sure many of us who like Ferrari and want to see them in GT5 would like to see as many cars as possible. I recently picked up "OutRun 2006: Coast 2 Coast." This is an arcade game where you race up to 12 different Ferraris including tuned versions of these models. The game is old-school Sega racing goodness. Only gripe I learned about the game is that it doesn't feature the Daytona USA 2 and Super GT/SCUD Race venues like the XBOX's OutRun 2. It does slow up at times too. Though it is not a sim racer, I recommend you pick this game up just to check out the 12 Ferraris you can pick up in the game. The 12 Ferraris featured includes the following:
Ferrari Dino246GTS*
" 365 GTS/4 Daytona*
" F50*
" 360 Spider**
" F430
" Superamerica
" 288 GTO
" 328GTS
" 250GTO
" 512BB
" F40
" Testarossa
" Enzo Ferrari
* = Normal cars I currently own in the game
** = OutRun cars I currently own in the game
Polyphony Digital's acquisition of the Super GT license would likely give them the power to pick up the Ferraris that race in the series. I don't know if the Dentaire Projet Racing team is still around in Super GT, but that's one of the first teams I instantly recall when I think of Ferraris in Super GT/JGTC. I think the 550 Maranellos once raced in the GT500 class. A return of Racing Modifications could mean the chance for us to create our own Ferrari Challenge cars, or even our own Le Mans-bound GT racers. Or, you can check out this F430 Ferrari Challenge car: { http://www.supercarnews.com/cars/ferrari/f430-challenge/Ferrari-F430-Challenge }. Hmm... makes me want to come up with my own fantasy Ferrari of Houston cars. For more info on the Ferrari Challenge itself, visit { http://www.ferrarichallenge.com/ }. And I think even if PD doesn't get in Ferrari, I'd at least want to see Monza in GT5. Other nice Italian venues to make cars shine would be Mugello and Fiorano. I'm looking for double-purpose here so that we have more to discuss than certain car companies. I think these cars and these tracke would provide a wonderful way to share your love of Italian machinery in the Gran Turismo universe.
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Eh, I would pass on the F430 and ask for a 360 Modena instead. The F430 just seems to tech-prepped for my liking.
I will agree on the 333SP. As I've said before, Ferrari Dallas had one on opening day. God, that was sex.
(I only have pictures in developed film, but I can try and get them without a "knowing-how-to-work-the-scanner" shot.)
I will agree on the 333SP. As I've said before, Ferrari Dallas had one on opening day. God, that was sex.
(I only have pictures in developed film, but I can try and get them without a "knowing-how-to-work-the-scanner" shot.)
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Maybe not Monza, but especially (I believe) Mugello and Fiorano. Maybe the toughest course to get a stranglehold of is Fiorano simply because that's Ferrari's test track. All of this stuff I'm talking about is considering that Polyphony Digital actually pursues and pays up for all this. Here are the three courses I mentioned accoring to e-Tracks:
(More information on Italian tracks) http://www.etracksonline.co.uk/Europe/italy.html
(Monza) http://www.etracksonline.co.uk/Europe/monza.html
(Mugello) http://www.etracksonline.co.uk/Europe/mugello.html
(Fiorano) http://www.etracksonline.co.uk/Europe/fiorano92.html
Of the three tracks, I have the most experience with Monza. * Monza is a wonderful race track. It is a track where you can enjoy high-speed racing, but you must be wary of the technical corners and chicanes which will keep a speed racer on his/her toes. It's one of the tracks I keep racing in GTR (well, I actually race Pergusa a lot since it's the simplest course in the game). * Mugello is a track I've raced only once in a game. LOOONG ago, I rented the very first MotoGP game on the PS2, and challenged myself to a rain race. I think I won that event. Mugello is more technical than Monza (not to say Monza isn't technical), but it's shorter than Monza by about 0.250 miles. * Fiorano is a track I have absolutely NO experience racing with in any game. The course has never hosted any racing action. And if you see a lot of Ferrari banners... that's because you're basically in Ferrari's back yard. This course is the shortest of the three I mentioned at 1.877 miles.
It's still a lot of work to be done for PD to get the Ferrari license and for as many other different companies they want to pick up. Examples of PD picking up some surprise names include Bentley in GT4, and the combo of Aprilia and Ducati in Tourist Trophy. So the sky is the limit for PD if they play their cards right. Maybe all the negative criticisms about PD and their ability of securing big name car companies will die down as PD may surprise us a bit. Give them a chance. Never know what could happen.
I think there was something I forgot to post in my brief notes on the Ferrari F430, and * McLaren * reminded me of it. Some say that the Ferrari F430 doesn't have too much character because of most of the electronics in the car. In its defense, I will say it's not a bad 21st Century Ferrari with the software and such. I will look online to learn more about all the different software and hardware stuff available in the Ferrari F430. Ferraris are likely all infused with stuff from their championship-winning F1 team. Not to sound "fanboy"-ish, but when I mention F1 technology in F1 cars, you know what you're getting out of any future Ferraris from a company that's "been there, done that" in Formula One racing. It's still a quality Ferrari even if it doesn't have enough "character" to make itself a true Ferrari.
I haven't much else to say. I haven't forgotten Porsche and Lamborghini, so I may return with words on these two other debated groups.
(More information on Italian tracks) http://www.etracksonline.co.uk/Europe/italy.html
(Monza) http://www.etracksonline.co.uk/Europe/monza.html
(Mugello) http://www.etracksonline.co.uk/Europe/mugello.html
(Fiorano) http://www.etracksonline.co.uk/Europe/fiorano92.html
Of the three tracks, I have the most experience with Monza. * Monza is a wonderful race track. It is a track where you can enjoy high-speed racing, but you must be wary of the technical corners and chicanes which will keep a speed racer on his/her toes. It's one of the tracks I keep racing in GTR (well, I actually race Pergusa a lot since it's the simplest course in the game). * Mugello is a track I've raced only once in a game. LOOONG ago, I rented the very first MotoGP game on the PS2, and challenged myself to a rain race. I think I won that event. Mugello is more technical than Monza (not to say Monza isn't technical), but it's shorter than Monza by about 0.250 miles. * Fiorano is a track I have absolutely NO experience racing with in any game. The course has never hosted any racing action. And if you see a lot of Ferrari banners... that's because you're basically in Ferrari's back yard. This course is the shortest of the three I mentioned at 1.877 miles.
It's still a lot of work to be done for PD to get the Ferrari license and for as many other different companies they want to pick up. Examples of PD picking up some surprise names include Bentley in GT4, and the combo of Aprilia and Ducati in Tourist Trophy. So the sky is the limit for PD if they play their cards right. Maybe all the negative criticisms about PD and their ability of securing big name car companies will die down as PD may surprise us a bit. Give them a chance. Never know what could happen.
I think there was something I forgot to post in my brief notes on the Ferrari F430, and * McLaren * reminded me of it. Some say that the Ferrari F430 doesn't have too much character because of most of the electronics in the car. In its defense, I will say it's not a bad 21st Century Ferrari with the software and such. I will look online to learn more about all the different software and hardware stuff available in the Ferrari F430. Ferraris are likely all infused with stuff from their championship-winning F1 team. Not to sound "fanboy"-ish, but when I mention F1 technology in F1 cars, you know what you're getting out of any future Ferraris from a company that's "been there, done that" in Formula One racing. It's still a quality Ferrari even if it doesn't have enough "character" to make itself a true Ferrari.
I haven't much else to say. I haven't forgotten Porsche and Lamborghini, so I may return with words on these two other debated groups.
*McLaren*Yes, see the sex.
John, they aren't the nicest, but it's all I took at the time.(Also included was the rare F50 that N. Cage repainted back to red.)
The 333SP is okay sex, but the F50 is definitely not...it's just frumpy, with lumps and curves in all the wrong places. I wonder if Pininfarina drew an awesome-looking car, and then someone spilled coffee on it before it made it to the engineers, turning the paper all wrinkly, warped, and brown.
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'Spose I'll add my 2cents. I take the same opinion that live4speed mentioned on Pg2, GT is a car enthusiasts game. It'd be great to have them there, it would be the end of the world or a franchise killing moment if they're not, but it would be great. Not only that, it would be something fresh, i personally love Porsche and Ferrari, or a few models of (not all of course).
If they're in, I'll worship Polyphony, if not...well that will depend on the quality of the rest of the game.
If they're in, I'll worship Polyphony, if not...well that will depend on the quality of the rest of the game.
As posted by myself on May 02 2006:
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I would like to say i'm sick of the lack of Ferrari, Maserati, Bugatti, lamborghini and De Tomaso. And what really makes me mad is that polyphony is always hiding behind their "we can't get the proper license codswallop" because the only reason there not in the game is that yamsucki kamawanker doesn't like italian cars. SEGA could even get ferrari's in there latest outrun, i mean SEGA...
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And i still believe this is the only reason. Do you think if PD wanted Ferrari or the likes the only thing stopping them would be their budget ?
Or those manufacturers not wanting their cars in the most realistic game till date ? Selling their license exclusively to only 1 producer missing out millions doing so ? No, if PD really wanted it there is no reason why they couldn't.
So why isn't it in the game then? because they didn't think it was worth the money/effort putting the cars in the game. And when does someone think a car is not worth the money/effort ? Because he doesn' like it, it's simple actually ....
I think they are forgetting that outside of japan there are other people who are not having sleepless nights eagerly awaiting the first hybrid Kei tripod-cars and do like italian thoroughbreds.
But as long as KY/PD Crew doesn't like them, these people will have to wait for a next instalment in the series hoping that by then they do think of these cars as a worthy addition for the series. Maybe sending KY a 599 as a present helps speeding things up, anyone wanna pitch in ?
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I would like to say i'm sick of the lack of Ferrari, Maserati, Bugatti, lamborghini and De Tomaso. And what really makes me mad is that polyphony is always hiding behind their "we can't get the proper license codswallop" because the only reason there not in the game is that yamsucki kamawanker doesn't like italian cars. SEGA could even get ferrari's in there latest outrun, i mean SEGA...
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And i still believe this is the only reason. Do you think if PD wanted Ferrari or the likes the only thing stopping them would be their budget ?
Or those manufacturers not wanting their cars in the most realistic game till date ? Selling their license exclusively to only 1 producer missing out millions doing so ? No, if PD really wanted it there is no reason why they couldn't.
So why isn't it in the game then? because they didn't think it was worth the money/effort putting the cars in the game. And when does someone think a car is not worth the money/effort ? Because he doesn' like it, it's simple actually ....
I think they are forgetting that outside of japan there are other people who are not having sleepless nights eagerly awaiting the first hybrid Kei tripod-cars and do like italian thoroughbreds.
But as long as KY/PD Crew doesn't like them, these people will have to wait for a next instalment in the series hoping that by then they do think of these cars as a worthy addition for the series. Maybe sending KY a 599 as a present helps speeding things up, anyone wanna pitch in ?
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Not a very bright one, are you? It's a well-established fact that Electronic Arts, until very recently, maintained an exclusive license for Ferrari and Lamborghini (and probably Porsche as well) for Playstation 2. It was impossible for any other company to get those cars without EA's approval, and do you really think they're going to let their biggest competitor in the racing market have them? I don't think so.
As for Outrun 2006... did you ever wonder why Sega didn't release the game years ago when made the Xbox version? Why it wasn't until EA's Ferrari license expired that they were finally able to put a version on PS2?
This isn't just about Polyphony... Aside from EA's Need for Speed, there have been two, count 'em, TWO games on PS2 with a Ferrari license. The first was Ferrari F355 Challenge, which was a port of an already-existing Dreamcast & arcade game.. it was a very early PS2 title, and the contract was probably already in place before the system even launched, so EA had no control over it. The second was the aforementioned Outrun, which was released only a couple months ago... after EA's license ran out. Coincidence? I think not.
It's also been well-established that Mr. "I hate Ferrari" Yamauchi has always been very vocal about wanting Ferraris in GT, and he's been just as upset about it as we have.
So, in light of actual fact, are you still going to stick to your guns and say that Polyphony is anti-Italian?
Will we see them in GT5? Who knows? But it's nonsense to say that it'll never happen. All you people are going to look pretty stupid if GT5 actually does have all these cars.
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Why can't Polyphony put in Koenig cars? They look like Ferraris and Lamborghinis, but tuned to go even faster...
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