FIA Events '18 - World Finals Monaco Finished! Congrats to Team Lexus and Igor Fraga for Brazil!

[mthomas_95]

Don’t think your comments during the live stream trashing everybody at the event went unnoticed, including those who were involved. Don’t play dumb and act like Perro overreacted to one little comment.


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When Perro and Nico made contact.


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Contact between Gumball and Deafsun. You have this weird thing against GT Academy drivers and here it is on display again.


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After McQueen won, basically saying he didn’t deserve to win which is ridiculous.



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When Nico spun entering pits. Not sure what you think Nico did and why that was Karma.


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This is the most ridiculous comment of them all. Nevermind the fact that you’re taking a clear shot at Nico by agreeing with what that fool said, but you are in no position to pretend like you know why the people who “left” did and why Nico didn’t. There is no hard feelings between anybody in FT, current or former. Quite the opposite actually. Why don’t you ask them? @LLOYDZELITE69 @hellZfirE @anthaliscious @TNR_5zigen @perrolocomcquee @EbrahimX7


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And?


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Shots at everybody there.


I’ve watched most of these live events and I have yet to see one unfold without multiple incidents. So what’s your point here? You clearly have a bone to pick with the American region in general. Why are you just openly ******** on every one there? People who you will be meeting and competing against in a couple weeks, no? You should be above this kind of nonsense. And again, don’t act like Perro’s response came out of nowhere. This is well beyond “fair criticism”. Don’t expect this kind of stuff to get ignored by people. He’s not the only one that was there that took notice of your comments either.

Wow obsessed much. I do tend to put my tongue firmly in my cheek and joke around a bit on a Live Chat and exaggerate a few things (of course nothing can be as dirty as Forza ), but what was I posting there that was different to everyone else? Not like I was just being edgy and different for the sake of it if everyone else is literally saying the same thing

If I start pushing people off or end up on the grass on pit exit again like a blithering idiot then I full on expect people to have a laugh at me and/or critique. I'm not going to apologise for being honest and upfront about my feelings and if I'm proved wrong then fine I'll hold my hand up. For full disclosure I expect the American guys to be right in the fight for Nations glory in Monaco. They have the speed, and anything can happen when the pressure is on. If I can be part of a winning World Tour team anyone in Monaco can win

 

[WJHMH]

Anyone have a photo of Fraga's Tag Heuer watch he won?

 

[sundaydriving]

Now kiss.

Apologies, I cant meme good.

 

[mclarenLB]

I mean, we are now firmly in World Finals trash talk season Its close now

 

[UGA95]

Wow obsessed much. I do tend to put my tongue firmly in my cheek and joke around a bit on a Live Chat and exaggerate a few things (of course nothing can be as dirty as Forza ), but what was I posting there that was different to everyone else? Not like I was just being edgy and different for the sake of it if everyone else is literally saying the same thing

If I start pushing people off or end up on the grass on pit exit again like a blithering idiot then I full on expect people to have a laugh at me and/or critique. I'm not going to apologise for being honest and upfront about my feelings and if I'm proved wrong then fine I'll hold my hand up. For full disclosure I expect the American guys to be right in the fight for Nations glory in Monaco. They have the speed, and anything can happen when the pressure is on. If I can be part of a winning World Tour team anyone in Monaco can win

For starters no one asked or wants an apology. Let’s just make that clear right away. I was just letting you know that the comments were noticed.

Secondly, I’m not sure live chat behavior is something you want to mirror. They are full of reactionary people who have no clue what they’re talking about. Truthfully I don’t think it would have made any difference what some others were saying I think you would have made similar comments regardless. And I think bashing competitors is something you and everybody else that participates in these events should be well above. Just my opinion.

So, you can say or do whatever you want. I’m just letting you know that people pay attention so don’t be surprised when people respond to you in similar ways that Perro did, because you directly attacked one of his teammates and best friends, aside from everything else that you said.

 

[mthomas_95]

So, you can say or do whatever you want. I’m just letting you know that people pay attention so don’t be surprised when people respond to you in similar ways that Perro did, because you directly attacked one of his teammates and best friends, aside from everything else that you said.

I appreciate you're just the messenger, but this is all basically for pointing out someone isn't a good team player after he knocked out his own teammate from a Manufacturers World Final place for no good reason? Interesting *thinking*

 

[UGA95]

I appreciate you're just the messenger, but this is all basically for pointing out someone isn't a good team player after he knocked out his own teammate from a Manufacturers World Final place for no good reason? Interesting *thinking*

I think Nico would acknowledge that was a poor move if you asked him. It is what it is. From my experience Nico has been a great teammate otherwise. They have made amends and moved on so I don’t see the point in bringing it up further. Perro still made the World Finals which he is ecstatic about as you could tell from the livestream. And for anyone wondering, that ordeal had absolutely nothing to do with people leaving FT and others staying. Absolutely zero. Just to make that clear as well. Other than that I’m not sure what relevance it has to anything that happened on Wednesday.

 

[Joey D]

Regarding the racing, it was fairly clean. Things happen though since these guys had quite a bit on the line. They raced hard, took risks, and pushed themselves to eke out the win. Couple that with the fact some of these guys had never been out of their home country or even been on an airplane before, and there were a ton of nerves.

Also, Vegas is the least calm city in the world. Billions of lights, constant action, and the dial always at 11. It's a city with ADD and is constantly switching it up every second. It's not the best environment to focus, especially for the guys that'd never been there before.

Yes, some things were missed, but this happens in real racing all the time (and sports in general). It can't be 100% perfect all the time since humans are doing it and not computers.

 

[mclarenLB]

Man, everything is way too sterile nowadays, nothing adds to anticipation like a good rivalry fuelled by some quality trash talk. Do we really want to suck the personality out of every driver in the Finals by expecting every post from them to be some heavily thought out, completely politically correct PR speech? I mean especially in YouTube live chat which is literally engineered around peoples honest reactions to things going on screen at the time.

Its an unrelated note, but the reason most Game Developers are terrified of speaking to the community is because every public post you make is a risk. Everything you ever say will be pulled apart and scrutinised, and by keeping an open line of communication with the community you are more likely to cause issues for yourself rather than have yourself seen in a positive light.

For example, when I spoke to Kaz at Nurburgring, he had some ideas for the game that he shared with me, a good half of which haven't been implemented or have been scrapped. Could you imagine the community outrage if that honest conversation was shared with the public? "False promises" "Kaz telling lies" I can see it all now.

My point is, do we really want to start putting the finalists under the same microscope? If the drivers feel they're starting to get ripped to shreds for every little thing they say, everything they say starts getting completely over analysed, be it here or in YouTube chat, its most likely that they'll just stop communicating with the community, because its safer to stay quiet, which I'd put as a loss for the community overall.

Speaking of getting ripped to shreds, that'll be Team Ferrari's rear tyres not 60 seconds into any of the races at the World Finals, so feel free to laugh at mthomas in YouTube chat, because that Ferrari will be visiting a barrier near you... very, very soon. -👍

 

[mthomas_95]

Speaking of getting ripped to shreds, that'll be Team Ferrari's rear tyres not 60 seconds into any of the races at the World Finals, so feel free to laugh at mthomas in YouTube chat, because that Ferrari will be visiting a barrier near you... very, very soon. -👍

Feel free to laugh as well at a Chevrolet driver meandering around in the midfield having lost all interest as he's not on the podium and starts binning it every lap

 

[mclarenLB]

Feel free to laugh as well at a Chevrolet driver meandering around in the midfield having lost all interest as he's not on the podium and starts binning it every lap

Lets not forget, the last time I was found in the midfield at a live event it was because a certain someone killed me in qualifying...

 

[FitzyWATP]

McLaren has to get pole to be a threat.

His P2 start at Le Mans was carnage, like a horror movie, Revenge of the Plebs.

 

[Sander 001]

I think Nico would acknowledge that was a poor move if you asked him. It is what it is. From my experience Nico has been a great teammate otherwise. They have made amends and moved on so I don’t see the point in bringing it up further. Perro still made the World Finals which he is ecstatic about as you could tell from the livestream. And for anyone wondering, that ordeal had absolutely nothing to do with people leaving FT and others staying. Absolutely zero. Just to make that clear as well. Other than that I’m not sure what relevance it has to anything that happened on Wednesday.

Why is everyone leaving FT?

 

[mthomas_95]

Lets not forget, the last time I was found in the midfield at a live event it was because a certain someone killed me in qualifying...

Let's be honest it was more suicide on your part deciding to drive straight into me rather than around the reversing pleb still unfamilar with the wheel controls like someone a bit more sensible would've done

 

[mclarenLB]

McLaren has to get pole to be a threat.

His P2 start at Le Mans was carnage, like a horror movie, Revenge of the Plebs.

Thankfully the midfield won't be full of savage murderers in the live event races

It takes 2 to race, the second component absolutely was not found last night

 

[FitzyWATP]

Thankfully the midfield won't be full of savage murderers in the live event races

It takes 2 to race, the second component absolutely was not found last night

Your kept cool was admirable

 

[mthomas_95]

It takes 2 to race, the second component absolutely was not found last night

That's a complete lack of respect shown by a World Finalist. They were just trying their best, and just trash talking them like this is completely unacceptable. Better be keeping a screenshot of this.

 

[Auditore]

I mean, we are now firmly in World Finals trash talk season Its close now

Oh boy it's going to get messy,honestly i prefer a more peaceful enviroment,like Kaz said the racers together with the GT Comunnity are like a family.Trash talk is fine as long as it stays as just friendly banter.

 

[UGA95]

Man, everything is way too sterile nowadays, nothing adds to anticipation like a good rivalry fuelled by some quality trash talk. Do we really want to suck the personality out of every driver in the Finals by expecting every post from them to be some heavily thought out, completely politically correct PR speech? I mean especially in YouTube live chat which is literally engineered around peoples honest reactions to things going on screen at the time.

Nobody is trying to suppress anything. I disagree with everything he said and even think that it is unnecessary but I’m not gonna say he shouldn’t be allowed to say it. My point was that if he wants to engage that way, fine, but don’t be surprised if people take offense to it and respond accordingly.

“Surely if anyone has 'sensitive feelings' it's the one who doesn't appear to like listening to any criticism?”

They’re not gonna be understanding and let it roll off their backs just because it was a live chat. And I don’t think the two of you would be either if a competitor whom you are racing against was trashing the entire UK and EMA region in similar fashion.


My point in posting initially was for people wondering why Perro would respond the way he did over “fair criticism” when in reality there was far more to it than the post he responded to to begin with.

My point is, do we really want to start putting the finalists under the same microscope? If the drivers feel they're starting to get ripped to shreds for every little thing they say, everything they say starts getting completely over analysed, be it here or in YouTube chat, its most likely that they'll just stop communicating with the community, because its safer to stay quiet, which I'd put as a loss for the community overall.

I don’t see how this is putting him under a microscope, or over analyzing. His comments were very straight forward and to the point, and public. I mean, how do you expect people to take those comments? To me there is a difference between friendly banter and just being disrespectful, and these were just in poor taste. It’s all friendly competition so personally I don’t see any reason to go there. PD aren’t promoters trying to sell a boxing match.

 

[ZokyCRO]

Speaking of getting ripped to shreds, that'll be Team Ferrari's rear tyres not 60 seconds into any of the races at the World Finals, so feel free to laugh at mthomas in YouTube chat, because that Ferrari will be visiting a barrier near you... very, very soon. -👍

Feel free to laugh as well at a Chevrolet driver meandering around in the midfield having lost all interest as he's not on the podium and starts binning it every lap

I would like to join the party as well. Team Dodge will probably need a tow to the chequered flag after 6.11 update lands, judging by the latest trend! Where can I hook up?

 

[zzz_pt]

I made some non PC comments on youtube live chat as well, but mostly towards stweards' decisions on penalties. There were a few questionable moves but those happened in all regional finals. Some drivers risk more than others and that can lead to mistakes. The biggest problem I had with the consequence of those moves was the penalties that were handed or not handed. The 1sec penalty was ridiculous but at least was something (some other situations from all 3 regional finals were not even investigated or didn't get a penalty).

I'm also aware that, to make great racing, sometimes drivers need to take the risk. We notice more the mistakes but ignore most of the amazing moves made by those same people. I guess different people will react differently to being on a live event, driving in front of an audience and side by side with their opponents. The stress can affect decision making differently on different drivers. The stweards are the ones who need to make sure the situations aren't ignored, because honest mistakes left without a penalty can lead to big mistakes and "expoit".

 

[mclarenLB]

Nobody is trying to suppress anything. I disagree with everything he said and even think that it is unnecessary but I’m not gonna say he shouldn’t be allowed to say it. My point was that if he wants to engage that way, fine, but don’t be surprised if people take offense to it and respond accordingly.

Fair. But make no mistake, someone binning the Bathurst pit entry at this level is funny, and its absolutely also fair to say that some of the racecraft just wasn't up to standard, hence the widespread complaints about the poor stewarding.

And I don’t think the two of you would be either if a competitor whom you are racing against was trashing the entire UK and EMA region in similar fashion.

Nah we literally do that all the time, its our culture, feel free to join in

I don’t see how this is putting him under a microscope, or over analyzing. His comments were very straight forward and to the point, and public. I mean, how do you expect people to take those comments? To me there is a difference between friendly banter and just being disrespectful, and these were just in poor taste. It’s all friendly competition so personally I don’t see any reason to go there. PD aren’t promoters trying to sell a boxing match.

This is where I disagree, that was absolutely putting it under a microscope, you screenshot a bunch of stuff from a live chat and strung it all it together with your own commentary of why you didn't like it, even the comments that were completely up to interpretation you put your own comments on them. That is the definition of analysis.

Its a friendly competition, nobody here has any particular dislike of anyone, but there's absolutely entertainment to be found in pushing a rivalry.

 

[HellzFire]

Kaz bring me as a steward for Monaco, I'll fix the pens

 

[ZokyCRO]

I made some non PC comments on youtube live chat as well, but mostly towards stweards' decisions on penalties. There were a few questionable moves but those happened in all regional finals. Some drivers risk more than others and that can lead to mistakes. The biggest problem I had with the consequence of those moves was the penalties that were handed or not handed. The 1sec penalty was ridiculous but at least was something (some other situations from all 3 regional finals were not even investigated or didn't get a penalty).

I'm also aware that, to make great racing, sometimes drivers need to take the risk. We notice more the mistakes but ignore most of the amazing moves made by those same people. I guess different people will react differently to being on a live event, driving in front of an audience and side by side with their opponents. The stress can affect decision making differently on different drivers. The stweards are the ones who need to make sure the situations aren't ignored, because honest mistakes left without a penalty can lead to big mistakes and "expoit".

Absolutely spot on, making mistakes and racing incidents will happen all the time and drivers should take the risk absolutely when it's possible, but pushing someone off the track or not respecting his position on the track just because you are so eager to win on the live stage is something the stewards absolutely need to handle appropriately. IMO they failed to do that in all 3 regional finals and it's something that should be handled a lot better in the future. They went from one extreme (my penalty at Salzburg on Willow Spring race) to another in regional finals, but I understand it's hard to find the right balance and make decisions on spot fast and efficient in these short races.

 

[MrBrunoA]

Finally watched the America's event. Surprised that Nico, who's the most chilled driver ever (always found it amusing the way he can even check his phone and read messages while driving), made those mistakes. Wish him better luck for Monaco.

 

[UGA95]

Fair. But make no mistake, someone binning the Bathurst pit entry at this level is funny, and its absolutely also fair to say that some of the racecraft just wasn't up to standard, hence the widespread complaints about the poor stewarding.

Nico laughed himself initially. So, sure. And as for the racecraft, what live event has taken place where the race craft was 100% up to standard? I didn’t see anything that happened that hasn’t already previously happened at different events. So again what’s the point? I’m sure we would all like these events to be as clean as real life, but at the end of the day we are humans (not computers) racing a video game indoors with no real consequences. Sure, you can have stricter penalties, and I agree that it is necessary, but I’m not naive enough to think that that will make incidents disappear. Not to mention that the races are sprint races so you have to push 100% from the get go. Personally I think the races for these events should be quite longer to allow guys to settle in, get into a rythym, have more varied strategies and realistic tire/fuel wear, and give them time to recover from a mistake. But that’s a different conversation. Bottom line is **** is just going to happen and I guarantee you there will be incidents at the world finals, it is what it is. No sense at all in targeting one region.

Nah we literally do that all the time, its our culture, feel free to join in

I’ll pass.

This is where I disagree, that was absolutely putting it under a microscope, you screenshot a bunch of stuff from a live chat and strung it all it together with your own commentary of why you didn't like it, even the comments that were completely up to interpretation you put your own comments on them. That is the definition of analysis.


Its a friendly competition, nobody here has any particular dislike of anyone, but there's absolutely entertainment to be found in pushing a rivalry.

No, putting him (and others) under a microscope would be paying attention to literally everything he posts on social media, gtplanet, live chats etc. and just trying to find something negative. These were public comments made for thousands to see.


And, again, I posted those solely for people who thought Perro responded aggressively to see. I’m gonna defend my friend and teammate. If you think I’m putting him under a microscope because of that, then oh well. I’d also like to know which posts you thought were up for interpretation, because given the context of what was happening on stream it was pretty obvious.


I’m getting tired of talking about this. Bottom line is I don’t care what platform it is on, if you talk like that, just be prepared for it not go over well. Being in a live chat doesn’t give you a green light to say anything you want without response

 

[SDSPOWER01]

Completely off topic this comment section is reminding of the youtube boxing event between KSI and Logan Paul..

Back to topic: Yeah I feel like just as many said the trash talk are about to begin so yeah... I just hope it does not get way too messy..

 

[mclarenLB]

Nico laughed himself initially. So, sure. And as for the racecraft, what live event has taken place where the race craft was 100% up to standard? I didn’t see anything that happened that hasn’t already previously happened at different events. So again what’s the point? I’m sure we would all like these events to be as clean as real life, but at the end of the day we are humans (not computers) racing a video game indoors with no real consequences. Not to mention that the races are sprint races so you have to push 100% from the get go. Personally I think the races for these events should be quite longer to allow guys to settle in, get into a rythym, have more varied strategies and realistic tire/fuel wear, and give them time to recover from a mistake. But that’s a different conversation. Bottom line is **** is just going to happen and I guarantee you there will be incidents at the world finals, it is what it is. No sense at all in targeting one region.

I think people are more upset at the stewarding more than anything, Accidentally pushing someone of the road, it definitely happens from time to time, but you probably shouldn't win the race because of it. I can say that this probably was the Regional Final with the most incidents, but yeah the other 2 weren't perfect, nobody is saying they were.

I’ll pass.

To each their own.

No, putting him (and others) under a microscope would be paying attention to literally everything he posts on social media, gtplanet, live chats etc. and just trying to find something negative. These were public comments made for thousands to see.


And, again, I posted those solely for people who thought Perro responded aggressively to see. I’m gonna defend my friend and teammate. If you think I’m putting him under a microscope because of that, then oh well. I’d also like to know which posts you thought were up for interpretation, because given the context of what was happening on stream it was pretty obvious.

It does come off as you searching for something negative though, and at some points putting words in his mouth, at least from my point of view, but fair enough.

I’m getting tired of talking about this.

Glad I'm not the only one, lets drop it.

 

[rono_thomas]

Nico laughed himself initially. So, sure. And as for the racecraft, what live event has taken place where the race craft was 100% up to standard? I didn’t see anything that happened that hasn’t already previously happened at different events. So again what’s the point? I’m sure we would all like these events to be as clean as real life, but at the end of the day we are humans (not computers) racing a video game indoors with no real consequences. Sure, you can have stricter penalties, and I agree that it is necessary, but I’m not naive enough to think that that will make incidents disappear. Not to mention that the races are sprint races so you have to push 100% from the get go. Personally I think the races for these events should be quite longer to allow guys to settle in, get into a rythym, have more varied strategies and realistic tire/fuel wear, and give them time to recover from a mistake. But that’s a different conversation. Bottom line is **** is just going to happen and I guarantee you there will be incidents at the world finals, it is what it is. No sense at all in targeting one region.




I’ll pass.







No, putting him (and others) under a microscope would be paying attention to literally everything he posts on social media, gtplanet, live chats etc. and just trying to find something negative. These were public comments made for thousands to see.


And, again, I posted those solely for people who thought Perro responded aggressively to see. I’m gonna defend my friend and teammate. If you think I’m putting him under a microscope because of that, then oh well. I’d also like to know which posts you thought were up for interpretation, because given the context of what was happening on stream it was pretty obvious.


I’m getting tired of talking about this. Bottom line is I don’t care what platform it is on, if you talk like that, just be prepared for it not go over well. Being in a live chat doesn’t give you a green light to say anything you want without response

Its only bants, over reaction of the century.

 

[UGA95]

It does come off as you searching for something negative though, and at some points putting words in his mouth, at least from my point of view, but fair enough.

Alright, one last thing. I’m not searching for stuff if I’m literally watching the event live and seeing these comments pop up on my phone. All I did after was go though and screen shot them which took less than 10 minutes. I didn’t have to search for anything.

And I’ll just agree to disagree about putting words in his mouth.