Final Quick Match Races 2-7-18

[kilesa4568]

It sounds like it's time I dump the SLS and jump in a GTR for Bathurst.

I've only done a few races in them as the extra weight always put me off...then get used to a car with less power and a tiny bit lighter. Well, duh, kilesa.

 

[bone_tone]

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Best way to get a decent run is wait until everyone leaves

A lot of mistakes. Lost about 2 seconds so I think 8:10's are possible with a perfect run

Edit: I didn't find the Schulz any quicker. 2:02.0 in the Schulz vs 2:01.9 in the RJN

Interesting - maybe the Schulze car is more popular, which is why it wins so regularly. Great times though.

So far, although I have seen cars other than the GTR win, I've not seen one do it in less than 8.21.

 

[bone_tone]

A combination of terrible drivers and worse server reliability resulted in the most rage I've felt in a long time today.

1. Struggle struggle struggle to get around bad drivers from a back of the field start

2. Have a terrible race (bad driving seems to be contagious sometimes?)

3. Start next race on pole, prepare to school these turds

4. Get dropped from server just before countdown starts.

5. Lose it.

Also, not sure what I'm doing that I'm 1 - 2 secs off pace on Bathurst. Will have to investigate further.

I'd love to know why some drivers never seem to have problems - they can start at the back of the grid, get in first place by the first corner, and never seem to get a penalty! I've been fed up today with getting penalties at Bathurst, by being rammed up the rear end by other cars at the first corner.....

 

[Growling]

I feel your pain bone tone, I'm always getting unfair penalties.

Just had a PB lap of 2:01.6. I don't think the GTR's are any different, just more laps for me.

 

[Fredzy]

I'd love to know why some drivers never seem to have problems - they can start at the back of the grid, get in first place by the first corner, and never seem to get a penalty! I've been fed up today with getting penalties at Bathurst, by being rammed up the rear end by other cars at the first corner.....

Honestly I'm typically quite fortunate with getting through that crap any more. There are definitely good and bad ways to approach the inevitable cluster****'s at high traffic choke points in GT6 quick match, and unfortunately the best ways to deal with them are not the prettiest. I don't ram or push or anything, but I don't do what I would do in a real race, or when I'm dealing with people I think are clean. Take advantage of ghostiness, both others and your own. Embrace the ghost! And go to/defend the inside.

 

[Kossie]

I was with a Japanese fast alien afternoon at Tsukuba and he drove a 4:06 race. Very good.

 

[kilesa4568]

Honestly I'm typically quite fortunate with getting through that crap any more. There are definitely good and bad ways to approach the inevitable cluster****'s at high traffic choke points in GT6 quick match, and unfortunately the best ways to deal with them are not the prettiest. I don't ram or push or anything, but I don't do what I would do in a real race, or when I'm dealing with people I think are clean. Take advantage of ghostiness, both others and your own. Embrace the ghost! And go to/defend the inside.

If I'm not on the first 3 rows of the grid at the start, I always take my time getting to the first corner and take the most passive line available. I usually end up back in my original grid placing or better driving through the "must get the holeshot" drivers in front. They seem to forget that 4 laps is plenty of time to make a pass.

 

[Fredzy]

If I'm not on the first 3 rows of the grid at the start, I always take my time getting to the first corner and take the most passive line available. I usually end up back in my original grid placing or better driving through the "must get the holeshot" drivers in front. They seem to forget that 4 laps is plenty of time to make a pass.

Yea these longer races really are good stuff. It's very rewarding to work through the field with consistent driving, even if it's just one or two guys you catch before settling into your final position. It does seem like most times, whoever is in the lead by the end of lap 1 is the fastest guy. Applies to most all QM.

I find that jumping strategically into the cluster at the first corner tends to pay off most when the room has any fast and dirty drivers. They are rare, but generally nobody gets past that type of 🤬 clean. Might as well get it out of the way at T1

 

[Kossie]

I was with a Japanese fast alien afternoon at Tsukuba and he drove a 4:06 race. Very good.

Edit: Made a 4:06 race today with the Tesla 👍

 

[kilesa4568]

Two days after jumping ship to the GTR, my new PB is 8:18.484 and 2:03.1 lap at Bathurst.

Daytona down to 7:09.2 as well. Productive night.👍

 

[Daduce1947]

If I'm not on the first 3 rows of the grid at the start, I always take my time getting to the first corner and take the most passive line available. I usually end up back in my original grid placing or better driving through the "must get the holeshot" drivers in front. They seem to forget that 4 laps is plenty of time to make a pass.

That works for me as well Kilesa4568. Using your same philosophy,, hang back and let the first 2 or 3 corners take care of those who just cannot resist the temptation to take #1 spot right away,, if I get lucky and don't get SLAMMED off the track I can ghost through quite a few drivers and settle in in the top 3 or 4 spots - then drive MY LINE and hope the leaders make a mistake - which often times they do as they wrestle each other, body slamming back and forth til one or both are knocked out of the race. Then we can simply hold on, continue driving consistently, concentrating on making few mistakes we'll finish well. When I'm being overtaken I slide off the line and let the faster guy go,, most times I can draft him and sometimes even sling shot by at the finish line.. That's FUN!!

 

[bone_tone]

Two days after jumping ship to the GTR, my new PB is 8:18.484 and 2:03.1 lap at Bathurst.

Daytona down to 7:09.2 as well. Productive night.👍

There you go, told you it was quicker! Good PB too, beats mine of 8.19.3.....

One other comment re Bathurst - have they beefed up the penalties this time, as I've only seen one person taking the shortcut at the esses at the bottom of the hill (and he only used it one lap, presumably when he found that he lost time by using it)? When the QM took place here last time, virtually every race had a shortcutter in it.

Edit: make that PB 8.17.966 now! Very grippy track today for some reason.

 

[Growling]

Had a new best last night. I'm coming across faster drivers though, so an 8:10 must be getting done here an there.

Lap 1 - 2:05.4
Lap 2 - 2:02.0
Lap 3 - 2:02.0
Lap 4 - 2:02.0

That's about my limit for sure

 

[bone_tone]

Had a new best last night. I'm coming across faster drivers though, so an 8:10 must be getting done here an there.

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Lap 1 - 2:05.4
Lap 2 - 2:02.0
Lap 3 - 2:02.0
Lap 4 - 2:02.0

That's about my limit for sure

Wow, that's incredible! Thought I was doing well having run my first sub-8.20 race, and then beating that today with an 8.17.966......

Well done you.

 

[kilesa4568]

There you go, told you it was quicker! Good PB too, beats mine of 8.19.3.....

One other comment re Bathurst - have they beefed up the penalties this time, as I've only seen one person taking the shortcut at the esses at the bottom of the hill (and he only used it one lap, presumably when he found that he lost time by using it)? When the QM took place here last time, virtually every race had a shortcutter in it.

Edit: make that PB 8.17.966 now! Very grippy track today for some reason.

It's taken me a good few races to come to grips with it but it's way more agile than I remember it. I've left quite a bit of time out there as well as I get used to the slightly different line. Easily another couple of seconds if I can tie the laps together. I reckon I've got an 8:15 in me going by the reasonably consistent 2:03 lap times anyway.

I think the shortcut is a 10 second penalty and it doesn't start until you get back onto the track. I've seen a couple of people do it accurately enough to get back on the track in front of me but the penalty lets me breeze past well before the last corner and put a good gap on them. I think most people now realise, it just doesn't work. Ha.

 

[coryclifford]

Been racing a bit today and I think what a very lot of people lack is racecraft. No skills in a racing situation. Smashing people is the instant tell tale sign.

 

[Kossie]

Been racing a bit today and I think what a very lot of people lack is racecraft. No skills in a racing situation. Smashing people is the instant tell tale sign.

Agree, and it's not fun, And its not going to change. I can only laugh about it and leave the room ... What else can you do?

They should make rules, one lap time trial for the real Race? clean riding is first places and if you cheat a penalty?

 

[bone_tone]

Been racing a bit today and I think what a very lot of people lack is racecraft. No skills in a racing situation. Smashing people is the instant tell tale sign.

It's strange, because it's not just generally poor drivers that have difficulty with racecraft - some drivers are very fast when they start at the front, but seem to struggle when they start further back and have to race their way forward.

I love it when you manage to spoil the smashers fun, by jinking just as they try to ram you off track, and they then shoot off into the barrier, or the sand!

 

[bone_tone]

It's taken me a good few races to come to grips with it but it's way more agile than I remember it. I've left quite a bit of time out there as well as I get used to the slightly different line. Easily another couple of seconds if I can tie the laps together. I reckon I've got an 8:15 in me going by the reasonably consistent 2:03 lap times anyway.

I think the shortcut is a 10 second penalty and it doesn't start until you get back onto the track. I've seen a couple of people do it accurately enough to get back on the track in front of me but the penalty lets me breeze past well before the last corner and put a good gap on them. I think most people now realise, it just doesn't work. Ha.

Have you also noticed (as I've mentioned a couple of times previously in these forums), that lap times come down when there are less runners in a QM? My PBs have all come in rooms with less than 5 drivers in them.

The penalty change is the best thing they've done here - the shortcuts really spoilt races at Bathurst previously.

 

[kilesa4568]

The main times I see bad driving is just from someone in front knowing they're slower but desperately want to keep the position. If they can put you into the wall, they'll get a bit of breathing space. Stupid really. Practicing and getting quicker is a much better alternative than trying to slow quicker drivers. They invariably end up with a penalty themselves.

Likely down to low pressure and plenty of room on the track to play with to get quicker times but it's possible to put in a quick time off the first 2 rows of the grid in a full room as well. Any further back and you lose too much time avoiding the first corner shenanigans.

 

[FPV MIC]

Is anyone else getting varied race start times at Bathurst? Yesterday I did several races that were pitch black for the first three laps and just getting light on the fourth. Next race was light on the first three laps and pitch black on the last. Every time I was getting the varied start times I had not left pit lane between races, so I left pit lane every time after that and it did not happen again.

Also as far as the bad driving goes, I do not understand why people feel the need to swerve from side to side on the three straights at Bathurst (one move is fine in my opinion). Continually being forced of the track in a straight line by ''blockers'' is very 🤬👎.

 

[bone_tone]

Is anyone else getting varied race start times at Bathurst? Yesterday I did several races that were pitch black for the first three laps and just getting light on the fourth. Next race was light on the first three laps and pitch black on the last. Every time I was getting the varied start times I had not left pit lane between races, so I left pit lane every time after that and it did not happen again.

Also as far as the bad driving goes, I do not understand why people feel the need to swerve from side to side on the three straights at Bathurst (one move is fine in my opinion). Continually being forced of the track in a straight line by ''blockers'' is very 🤬👎.

Yes, I've had one race which was completely in the dark, and another where it went dark halfway round lap 2, and then went light again halfway round lap 3!

 

[kilesa4568]

I've just been in a race with one of (I assume) @Growling 's team mates (TRL_MAXPOWER) and they've just done a 8:09.69 and even got held up a little bit on the first lap...

Insane time.

 

[FPV MIC]

Yes, I've had one race which was completely in the dark, and another where it went dark halfway round lap 2, and then went light again halfway round lap 3!

Thanks 👍, At least I know it wasn't just me.

I've just been in a race with one of (I assume) @Growling 's team mates (TRL_MAXPOWER) and they've just done a 8:09.69 and even got held up a little bit on the first lap...

Insane time.

Yes, those TRL guys are something else. My best lap time at Bathurst (2:02.8) is way of what they can do, but I do hope to race some of them so I can see where I'm losing time (probably everywhere).

 

[Fredzy]

It's strange, because it's not just generally poor drivers that have difficulty with racecraft - some drivers are very fast when they start at the front, but seem to struggle when they start further back and have to race their way forward.

See, this is the problem with Gran Turismo. Pretty much all offline racing only teaches people how to crash their way to the front of the pack in a couple laps. They put you up against a helpless AI and challenge you by starting you a mile back. Never ever reinforces positive racing behavior, even in the most advanced events. So just to your point, a guy learns everything there is to know about weaseling past a bunch of traffic and then time trialing by himself for a few laps. He never deals with an equal (or better) opponent. Then they come online and I've been there, obviously.

Always a pleasant surprise to encounter a respectful sub-alien driver such as myself in QM. Wish it was more often.

Have you also noticed (as I've mentioned a couple of times previously in these forums), that lap times come down when there are less runners in a QM? My PBs have all come in rooms with less than 5 drivers in them.

There is definitely some server related impact on race times. I recall it being acute in the Nurburgring GP/Megane trophy car QM. Not only did full rooms slow you down, but just being in proximity of other drivers during a race had a big effect on grip as well, there was no doubt.

 

[Daduce1947]

Thanks 👍, At least I know it wasn't just me.
Yes, those TRL guys are something else. My best lap time at Bathurst (2:02.8) is way of what they can do, but I do hope to race some of them so I can see where I'm losing time (probably everywhere).

For the new folks who are following these QM threads, here's a tip - SAVE the race 👍, then simply replay and select the FAST guys to watch and see HOW they wrestle their hotrods to the incredible times they achieve. Remembering as others have stated, the times do vary depending on the servers activity load - both at PSN and our own ISP's. We've seen others mention how our starting positions, the issue of WAITING well over 100 seconds only to get tha dreaded BOOT just as the race starts or mid race , finding as you pull out of the pits for your warm up we find an "invisible" driver has taken control of our car (which almost ALWAYS leads to a discon as the race starts) oft times are directly related to how well we're connected to PSN. There's any number of reasons for a poor connection, the number of international connections online at that moment, whether or not your PS3 is hardwired or you're connecting via wireless, whether or not you have a number of other equipment in your home using your wireless router such as cell phones, your laptop or PC which are constantly pinging your email server, your home page news updates, etc., etc.

One of my Sons is an IT guy and he says these other equipment constantly pinging our ISP for information SHOULD NOT cause these lengthy and multiple attempts at making connection, the disconnects and lagging issues - HOWEVER - my experience has been when I shut down my laptop and cell phones - ALL of them - before I attempt connecting to the QM servers I have fewer issues connecting and staying connected. Just an observation,,

 

[wedjim]

Seems like on the special stage 7 there are really crazy people...had one blocking and smashing everyone who attempted to pass, including me. Rather than leave like I should have, I decided to treat him accordingly, which is unusual for me. Boy did that set him off, got a message of curse words that filled the page to the max limit.

I didn't think anyone could possibly take this event seriously since going fast requires slamming into the wall sideways at 200+ mph several times during the lap. Let alone being so mad that someone drives you how you drive others.

Too funny.

Knew I shouldn't have gone in there, curiosity got the better of me. Hopefully it's gone soon.

 

[LM7325]

I tried Route 7 just once. Built up a Cien with 200kg front ballast for extra power and minimized DF. It could pass anything, runs over 260mph there without a draft. Plus unlike the Supra it can actually turn. But with boost on and the morons it was just a one and done.

 

[wedjim]

That part amazed me most...Boost on.

As if 260 mph and 230 mph wall smashes without penalty wasnt entertaining enough for the kiddies.

 

[bone_tone]

Had a new best last night. I'm coming across faster drivers though, so an 8:10 must be getting done here an there.

View attachment 513019

Lap 1 - 2:05.4
Lap 2 - 2:02.0
Lap 3 - 2:02.0
Lap 4 - 2:02.0

That's about my limit for sure

Seen my first sub-8.10 at Bathurst today - he did the first half lap, until he had passed everybody, ghosted! How did he manage that, as it certainly made it easier for him to get past everybody?