First Car Suggestions? Daewoo FTW. Nothing else Matiz. Oh, and ExigeExcel's Almera.

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Panda - I've never, ever seen a young person drive one. Personally, you'd look ridiculous in one. Also, are they reliable (no sarcasm intended. I really don't know)?

Jazz - old people drive them and looks girly. Better than Panda though and will be ultra reliable and robust.

Yaris - great because it's reliable and will be cheapest to run here. But the lack of power will be frustrating.

Megane - it's a Reno, so don't expect that to last 2 weeks without it going wrong or breaking...

Out of all of them, the Yaris or Jazz. Want to be slow and frustrated or be known as an old man or girl? :lol::P
 
"Not as bad as they used to be".

Which is a bit like saying that having your legs amputated isn't as bad as being paralysed.
 
G.T
Megane - it's a Reno, so don't expect that to last 2 weeks without it going wrong or breaking...

We know someone who has a 53 Plate Megane Sport Tourer and that hasn't gone wrong once.

But the worry would be that if he just happened to have bought a good example, I could be left with one of the Meganes whose electrics have a mind of their own.

Famine
"Not as bad as they used to be".

Which is a bit like saying that having your legs amputated isn't as bad as being paralysed.

I'm not sure if "better" is going to be enough.

The nearest Fiat dealer to me is a fair trek away.
 
Jazz/Fit - I've seen a lot of girls driving those (must be the Iris red color... errh... I mean metallic pink), but no grandparents. There's a lack of thigh support there that will kill the elderly after a week.

Still, great little bugger if you can find a proper road to thrash it on (doesn't matter which engine you go for), has that Playstation-type steering (quick, direct and artificial) and the CVT is pretty cool, but I'd go for the manual... the CVT starts smelling like burnt clutch after an hour's worth of uh... "spirited" driving.

Yaris? - Beh. Old old old old... slow slow slow.

Panda? Megane? - I've got no clue.
 
*Revive*

I haven't hear any problems with the Panda so far. But is it just me or do they only come in that pastel shade of blue!?

Jazz is a good car, except for teh image problems. But keeps it's value extremely well.
 
Corsas a good first car. Cheap to run, nippy enough, cheap to get parts, and they dont hold their value too badly. If buying new a polo would probably be a better choice as they hold their value rather well.
 
Corsas a good first car. Cheap to run, nippy enough, cheap to get parts, and they dont hold their value too badly.

But they drive like a big basket full of arse. The gearchange is like stirring a vat of tar with a polythene bag. And it's a good job the parts are cheap because they always break down.


Giving someone a Vauxhall Corsa as a first car is actually a war crime, according to the Geneva Convention.
 
lol well its gotta be better than a panda, im generalising here but im willing to bet that it wont hold its value, wont be fun to drive and will break down. Also its not really a young mans car, everyone will assume its his mums.

Most peoples first cars will be crappy, so I'd just get one that will hold its value the best to save up for a better car. Plus you will get girls with a corsa, but you would proabably have a much harder time doing the same in a panda.
 
Poverty
lol well its gotta be better than a panda, im generalising here but im willing to bet that it wont hold its value, wont be fun to drive and will break down. Also its not really a young mans car, everyone will assume its his mums.

Most peoples first cars will be crappy, so I'd just get one that will hold its value the best to save up for a better car.

Nobody who isn't an idiot buys a new car. You wait 2 years so you still have 12 months of warranty left, you don't have to have it MoTd and you pay about half the original price.

Your first car will, probably, be the one you crash. 99% of people crash a car inside their first three years of driving (I waited until a couple of months into my fifth year), so the best bet is something disposable but enjoyable. In any case, the Panda is a more enjoyable car than the Corsa - mainly because AIDS is more enjoyable than a Corsa.


Poverty
Plus you will get girls with a corsa, but you would proabably have a much harder time doing the same in a panda.

The only reason you'd get girls with a Corsa is because they think you can be their "GBF". Even if that wasn't the case, would you really want a girl who'd "put out" for a Corsa? Imagine all the other cars she'd "put out" for - and has done before you met her... :yuck:


Although I know of several males who own Corsas, I've never actually seen a Corsa driven by anything but a woman. Ever.
 
Will you need to carry loads of big stuff? If you do the Jazz is the one. The only thing it's got going for it is its jazzy rear seats (did you see what I did there?) that fold neatly flat and give you a huge load area. (With the rear seats folded, it's big enough to sleep in...)

I've driven the 1.4 and its decent, but it's nothing to write home about. The engine doesn't feel like I would expect a Honda to feel like. I'd expect a Honda to like revving, but that engine doesn't seem to like it. It must be based on a Rover unit...

I crashed my first car too. I drove my dad's car for 9 years with no accidents/crashes before I got my own. At least I had the decency to wait until it was my own car I crashed!
 
try not to get anything too big >.< my rover 214 costin me &#163;1600+ insurance this year (passed in december) and thats a good price! no claims and pass plus, and on the 10 months accelerator, shopping around, most places wanted &#163;2000+ : / get somethin small anyhoo lol
 
try not to get anything too big >.< my rover 214 costin me £1600+ insurance this year (passed in december) and thats a good price! no claims and pass plus, and on the 10 months accelerator, shopping around, most places wanted £2000+ : / get somethin small anyhoo lol

Not necessarily...

A 1.8 Mondeo is cheaper to insure than, say, a 1.2 Corsa, based on typical accident repair costs (small hatchback accidents tend to involve medical expenses), frequency of accidents amongst the vehicle ownership (Corsas are owned by teenage girls. Teenage girls SUCK at driving) and nickability (Mondeos are fundamentally undesirable).
 
Right, time for some SENSIBLE suggestions :

Go small, GO FRENCH! - The norm for most new drivers, the Saxo or 106.

Citroen Saxo -
Decent little car, especially if you get a VTR/VTS. Yes, it's small, but for a first car it has everything you need. As a plus, it can be easily tuned, not neccessarily ricer-ised but nicely modified.

Peugeot 106 -
Get a 1.1 (Petrol not Diesel) or higher unless you want to be part of the Sunday Driver club. Again, fits the criteria, so basic you could fix most of the rare faults yourself. Easy to modify, etc.

Both great cars in my opinion, if you look past the boyracer steriotype, very easy to get parts for due to the cars being EVERYWHERE. For a first car they're great, quick, nice handling and fairly nice-looking.

Note: I am suggesting these as a good FIRST CAR ONLY, not for speed, power or skidzzz.
 
get a car from ur local scraper stay clear of saxos and cilo's the older ones go for Pugs try and find a 205 - 405 - 309 - 106 they the best for new drivers :)


And it u dnt want it stolen get a VOLVO :D Volvos mite be big but ur alot safer in one that ur city cars :)
 
Imakuni
Right, time for some SENSIBLE suggestions :

Go small, GO FRENCH!

Or, as a realistic alternative, get the bus and buy random vehicle parts 3 times a month instead. You'll have all the ownership experience of buying French, but since your normal mode of transport is the bus anyway, none of the hassle of arriving late to work.

Imakuni
The norm for most new drivers, the Saxo or 106.

Citroen Saxo
Peugeot 106

Both great cars in my opinion, if you look past the boyracer steriotype

Insurers won't. VTS/VTR? Are you havin' a giraffe?

Imakuni
For a first car they're great, quick, nice handling and fairly nice-looking.

But remember... 99% of all new drivers will have a crash inside the first 3 years...

Citroen Saxo - 2 stars (expect the 106 to perform similarly as they are the same car):


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EuroNCAP
Frontal Impact The steering wheel moved more than allowed in the crash and the driver&#8217;s head reached a point where it was starting to move off the airbag which in some circumstance can become dangerous. The airbag also bottomed-out so allowing the driver&#8217;s head to contact the steering wheel. The body shell was defeated by the severity of the test and the occupant&#8217;s survival space was compromised. Despite load limiters being fitted to the front seat belts the chest loads were high. The front seat belts are also fitted with pretensioners which are designed to limit forward movement in the event of a crash. The door opened during the test and which was caused by the linkage being operated when the door&#8217;s inner skin separated from the outer. There were aggressively hard structures under the facia that would cause injuries to the knees and upper legs. Only a simple two point static belt was fitted in the centre rear seat, which can cause severe spinal and abdominal injuries.

Side Impact There is no specific structure in the Saxo doors to combat side impact. The chest and arm were hit by the incoming door, whilst the abdomen was contacted by the protruding armrest. The pelvis was loaded by a foam block. The loading on the chest gave rise to the risk of severe injury with only a slightly less risk of injury to the abdomen and pelvis.

Imakuni
Note: I am suggesting these as a good FIRST CAR ONLY, not for speed, power or skidzzz.

Or living through.

If buying new, buy Fiesta (EuroNCAP 4 stars) , Jazz (4 stars) or Yaris (4 stars pre-05, 5 stars after). As the funky-alternative, go Panda (3 stars). Don't be lulled into thinking that any of them pull birds, because they're mumwagon hatchbacks and, even if they did, you wouldn't want those kind of birds.

If buying older, buy Mk5 Fiesta 1.25i (the other engines aren't worth a damn, except the likely-uninsureable 1.6) or Yaris. If you absolutely MUST go French, only the Clio is worth looking at (but you know how much I hate those).


If you fancy fooling the insurance man, try and pocket a lightly-used Mondeo - you can get a 2 year old one for less than a new Citroen C2 - or, and this is the biggie if you can snare one, a Focus. Hell, get a Focus 1.8 TDCi and laugh your arse off at your friends in their crappy little Saxos trying to pay for insurance and petrol, and all the shoddily built mechanicals, and for tow trucks when they accidentally mash the brake and accelerator at the same time because they're too small and too close together.

Actually, that's the car.

Focus 1.8 TDCi. FIVE GRAND for a 3 year old one! Laugh at the insurance quotes, which are 20% cheaper than a Saxo.

(no, not my postcode)
 
Wow... I was expecting merely sarcasm, but that post ended with an extremely good suggestion. Is Famine going soft? :lol:
 

Actually, that's the car.

Focus 1.8 TDCi. FIVE GRAND for a 3 year old one! Laugh at the insurance quotes, which are 20% cheaper than a Saxo.

(no, not my postcode)
I've actually been looking around at Fords Focuses myself. Though I dismissed the 1.8TDCi as aburd to insure. But your finding amazes me.

I've mainly looked at them because there's actually room in the back for a mate or two (Most of which are atleast 5'9, but I don't mind making them suffer :D ).
 
That Focus is group 6.

BUT...

Group 6 doesn't mean more to insure than Group 5...


It's quite a puzzling system, but actuaries spend years working this kind of stuff out.

Cars have an initial grouping based on their performance and intrinsic value. Diesels are slow (though a 1.8TDCi is a good 10s - putting it quicker than all but a 1.6 Saxo) so the group is lower than the equivalent petrol engine. They're slightly more expensive to buy, but not enough to affect the grouping.

The grouping is then modified by several factors, according to how much risk those factors are worth to the insurance company - or rather how much those factors make it more or less likely that, instead of making money from you, they have to give money to you...

The owner
1. Gender. Males crash more than females (or at least they crash harder, more than females). Males represent a higher risk, so the modifier is higher.
2. Age. Under 20s and over 80s crash more often than any other group. Modifiers are higher for these groups.
3. Profession. Low paid manual and very high paid professional people crash more often (I make no claims as to the reasons why), so modifiers are higher for these groups.
4. Endorsements. The more driving offences you have, the more likely you are to drive above the law/your ability.
5. Accidents. The more accidents you have, the more of a liability you are.
6. No Claims Bonus. The longer your period without claiming against your insurance, the less of a risk you are. "Full" (5 years) NCB represents between 50 and 75% saving on your premium.

The vehicle use
1. Overnight/daytime location. Vehicle is less likely to be stolen or damaged from in a garage than on your drive, and less likely from your drive than from the street.
2. Use. Drive it for leisure only and you're not often in a position to crash into something else. Commute and you're on the road at the same time as everyone else...
3. Vehicle security. Opportunists won't bother with an immobilised/alarmed car, reducing the risk to the insurers of having to pay out.
4. Cover options. Third party only means they only have to give money to repair the car you hit, and represents a lower risk than having to pay for your car as well. However, if your car is worth both halves of sod all, Third Party only can represent a much higher risk than Comprehensive insurance - so don't assume that TP/TPFT cover is always cheaper.

The car itself
This is the biggie that few people ever consider.

The typical crash is an offset front-end vehicle/vehicle collision at 30-35mph . As you've seen earlier, the Saxo/106 don't behave very well in this situation, so the insurers will end up not only paying for your car and the car that gets hit (assuming it's your fault), but also for medical and loss of earnings expenses for the occupants - possibly even death. Bigger - and newer - cars behave better, so the likelihood that the occupants will need any medical attention or time off work decreases, decreasing the risk to the insurers.

Typical repair costs are also factored in. Ford parts are cheaper than PSA parts, and you're likely to need less of them (and some time on the jig) because the car doesn't just disintegrate - the survival cell is still intact, for example.

There's also the typical crash involving that vehicle... Because the usual owner of a Saxo/106 is a teenage girl or boy, the typical Saxopug crash is a high-speed, showing-off-to-mates affair, involving a complete write-off and multiple occupant injuries - and legal action from the other car they mullered. This costs insurers quite a bit. Your typical Focus diesel driver is an old biffer who goes down the shops of a Thursday, covers a mile a month and does the IAM-shuffle. The typical accident in a Focus diesel is a side-scrape with another car he didn't see in his mirrors, requiring a quick panel beat and respray for &#163;140.


Factor in the value of the car (&#163;5k for the 3-year old Focus, &#163;7k for a new C2 - less money for the insurers to pay for a suitable replacement in the event of a write-off) and don't forget to precisely calculate how far you travel in a year (less than 7,000 miles gives you one hell of a discount compared to 10,000 miles+ - less distance = less time exposed to danger).

Get a quote from Confused.com for a Focus TDCi and a C2 1.4 for a new-ish driver. If the Focus isn't cheaper in most cases I'll... do something. Maybe. But I'd be very surprised.
 
Peugeot 406 :dopey:

Carries 5 people in reasonable comfort, decent boot, very cheap, very french, the facelifted ones don't look as dated on the outside as they should, lots of equipment if you go for a GLX (i think it's the GLX that's the top)...

...but reliability is going to be useless. Comparing that to some of the other choices though, and it doesn't sound too bad. What's the insurance like?
 
Get a quote from Confused.com for a Focus TDCi and a C2 1.4 for a new-ish driver. If the Focus isn't cheaper in most cases I'll... do something. Maybe. But I'd be very surprised.
I've just checked this out of interest and the 1.8 TDCi 2002-2004 model Focus is cheaper to insure than my 306 with my current company, though my 306 is a 1.9.
 
Ohh, getting all official on me now eh?

Yup, you CAN get insured on VTR, although i doubt you could on VTS

I have mates who have crashed in 106/Saxos and they all got out of it with minor injuries, despite crashing at about 40-50mph.

I dunno, but from personal exprience they're fine for reliability, safety, etc.
 
Toyota Pickup. Plain and simple. Get an 84-85 Xtra Cab 4wd, roomy, capable, pretty much a go anywhere rig. Reliable like you would not believe (mine has 251 thousand miles on the original engine) I have an 85 Xtra-Cab with 6 inches of lift and 33" BFG MT KM's, and a few other things:tup: All I suggest for your first car is don't get something super nice, you're going to be hard on a car when you're new to driving, theres no way around that. You're going to bounce off a couple curbs for sure.
 
Toyota Pickup. Plain and simple. Get an 84-85 Xtra Cab 4wd, roomy, capable, pretty much a go anywhere rig. Reliable like you would not believe (mine has 251 thousand miles on the original engine) I have an 85 Xtra-Cab with 6 inches of lift and 33" BFG MT KM's, and a few other things:tup: All I suggest for your first car is don't get something super nice, you're going to be hard on a car when you're new to driving, theres no way around that. You're going to bounce off a couple curbs for sure.
Err, where are you from?
Have you read any of the thread?

Few first drivers have any reason for a Pickup or 4wd. And few Brits even have a reason for a pickup, especially with our petrol prices.

Otherwise, I always liked the older Hilux's with lifts on them, pointless as it may be.
 
Washington State

I read enough to know that he needed first car suggestions, and that most of you reccomended econo boxes

Lifts are not pointless if you get the truck out and wheel/crawl it.
 
Visit the UK mate, then come back here. A Pickup as a first car cannot be a good choice. I bet the insurance companies would rape you and I KNOW the tax would, and the economy doesn't even bear thinking about. Why would he want a truck a a first car?
 

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