First impressions......

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Yard_Sale
I’m struggling to get the feel I had in GTS. Leads me to believe that the FFB in GT7 isn’t up to par yet
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I think it might be bugged. Some rumble strips don’t offer any feedback at all and it’s quite disconcerting as in sport it’s very well done and to feel nothing just breaks immersion
 
NevilleNobody
The grinding, the "unlocking", the harder focus on driving, the lesser focus on racing, the tuning in sport, the set up changes in sport, the annoying intro, the "music rally" bs, the cafe menu and just the general bloat and lack of focus is all going against my core desire to just jump on and within a few minutes be racing guys of equal skill level in a variety of cars with decent grip. Massively disappointed if I am honest.
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Hi Neville, don't focus too much on those details, they will be fast to skip and be forgotten quickly after a few hours of play.

I too regret the guided start of the game, I wish they let us decide how we will spend our first hours within the game, especially for those who come from GTS.

For a newcomer it makes sense as it allows him to discover the game and its features.

For me it is not so bad, I like to do the small cups and the GT-like progression with small cars that you can tune progressively. I even find that some features unlock too quickly.

The music rally is a bit weird but very quickly done and forgotten. For newcomers it may be an obstacle though.

The unskippable intro is just a one time thing too. Plus you can switch it off in settings, so you don't have to skip it manually on future game starts.

I really enjoy the haptics returns, a very nice way of "feeling" the car, and having another sense of variation between cars. To feel the track too.

The wheather and hour that change rapidly during a race is very nice too. Starting a race before dusk and finishing by night or under a sunny sky and getting rain is really cool.

I am enjoying the game, and I am not a dedicated Sport player, but I can understand the frustration of not being able to jump in a good race car and join a good level race. But I think it will be fast to obtain and that you shouldn't be dettered by a few hours of grind to unlock all you need. It was quicker to get in GTS with the DWG throwing GR4 and GR3 at hour face, but there was a bit of grind too at the very beginning.
 
Lomic
Hi Neville, don't focus too much on those details, they will be fast to skip and be forgotten quickly after a few hours of play.

I too regret the guided start of the game, I wish they let us decide how we will spend our first hours within the game, especially for those who come from GTS.

For a newcomer it makes sense as it allows him to discover the game and its features.

For me it is not so bad, I like to do the small cups and the GT-like progression with small cars that you can tune progressively. I even find that some features unlock too quickly.

The music rally is a bit weird but very quickly done and forgotten. For newcomers it may be an obstacle though.

The unskippable intro is just a one time thing too. Plus you can switch it off in settings, so you don't have to skip it manually on future game starts.

I really enjoy the haptics returns, a very nice way of "feeling" the car, and having another sense of variation between cars. To feel the track too.

The wheather and hour that change rapidly during a race is very nice too. Starting a race before dusk and finishing by night or under a sunny sky and getting rain is really cool.

I am enjoying the game, and I am not a dedicated Sport player, but I can understand the frustration of not being able to jump in a good race car and join a good level race. But I think it will be fast to obtain and that you shouldn't be dettered by a few hours of grind to unlock all you need. It was quicker to get in GTS with the DWG throwing GR4 and GR3 at hour face, but there was a bit of grind too at the very beginning.
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You can unlock sport mode reasonably quick but that’s not what he’s saying. You can’t run an even race against similar skilled players with the current setup.
 
One thing I've noticed in later Cafe menu races is that once you get within say 8-10 seconds of the leading car it seems to speed up and instead of taking 10-15 odd seconds a lap out of it, you might take 2 or 3 or even start to lose time.

Also I adore how great the weather is in game but holy **** again the AI are on rails and certain cars (4wd) seem like they are driving in the dry over anything rwd.
 
brocp
One thing I've noticed in later Cafe menu races is that once you get within say 8-10 seconds of the leading car it seems to speed up and instead of taking 10-15 odd seconds a lap out of it, you might take 2 or 3 or even start to lose time.
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At first I thought so too, but it's something else I believe.
There are some cars faster than others, and the AI tends to get stuck behind each other. So P1 is in a slower car with a faster car behind.
Whenever this happened, it was the faster car Finally going through and now being able to put in its own pace - that's the big pace difference I observed.

Yesterday I did the BMW cafe/collection and in that case it was the M4 being substantially quicker than others.
 
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Well here's my initial thoughts on the game.

I am loving the single player and really like the format and very enthusiastic to continue it, the graphics are fantastic as always and it is nice to be able to use the new livery editor/GT Auto shop and the Tuning Shop to make my cars unique to me.

Handling is very good, really love there is a different feel between the cars and having to be careful about how I apply brakes etc to avoid the dread spin out or huge scream of tyre smoke in corners.

Have unlocked up to the Sport Mode through the cafe and pleasantly surprised by the races so far being clean but I do have a 'sour' note, I am not sure how I feel about 'Tuniing' being allowed in daily races. I only discovered last night that you could actually setup the car for these which explains why I was coming last each time.

Soon as I changed the setup on my Mitsuibish for the second race I came fourth, have yet to try a setup on the High Speed Ring.

What are people's thoughts on this, part of me liked Sport for not having to bother about tuning since I do not and never will probably understand this fundemental aspect of car racing, I will say I wouldn't want it removed from the game as more options is always nice and at least don't have to get online Race Wins this time for a trophy but it still give me mixed feelings about if I will do online racing or the FIA championships this time round as if tuning is allowed, well I have no chance to be competitive.

Really looking forward to see what comes content wise in the future as this is definetly up there in my top five of GT games.
 
NikNakTobasco
You can unlock sport mode reasonably quick but that’s not what he’s saying. You can’t run an even race against similar skilled players with the current setup.
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I got that reading the follwing posts of the thread. I think it is an easy thing to fix for PD, and if the GTS minded part of the player base is loud enough, it will be quickly solved with part of the Sport mode being set to BoP races. (And if with time they see that nobody partake in tuning races but prefer the other way...)

One thing I forgot to mention in my cons... I already was not a fan of the noise of the expansion joints of Tokyo tracks in GTS, but now with the haptic feedback :mad: (and I think the gear change is also too brutal in the feedback), but I enjoy the feedback overall so I won't turn it of.

About the music, one thing I find not optimal is the fact that it will change track every time you make a move in the menu. I understand that they change the music when you start a race, but while browsing the menu it is a bit frustrating to hear the beginning of a piece you like, and it being stopped as soon as you enter the Café, your garage or when you exit a place.
 
s0cks
Holy moly! I just tried the GT Cup Gr.3 @ Suzuka Circuit. It's an entirely different game! If you're into fast racing give it a go with the preorder bonus car (the Castrol Supra). Absolutely incredible! It puts the road cars to shame, and the AI are far far better. Wow! It's also way easier to control the car than the road cars, the downforce makes a huge difference. A LOT of fun. This is what I wanted! Shame you can have a proper race weekend with qualifying, cus then it'd be perfect.
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Totally agree this game is sublime as the weight comes down and the grip increases, the Supra is a delight... I need my P4 330 and racing softs...
MaxP
I've been driving boring races in boring small cars for hours. I just had to drive a mountainous route in an old Fiat 500. Wow what fun.
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That 25mph hill climb was dog rough, leaning forward in my seat didn't help either aaarrrggghhh lol
 
I like the fact I got to race a guy called E. Brown in a Delorean.

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My first big cash splash out today - the GTR Nismo '17. !37k (or 187k? Forgot) and worth every cent. What a machine - used it to win a lot of races. No tuning needed.

I did feel a bit guilty about using it at the Goodwood Classic Race (where it was allowed for some reason). Those Fiat 500s didn't stand a chance! 🤣

Absolute Heaven to be driving that around Trial Mountain.... :cheers:
The more I discover, the more I'm impressed.
 
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brocp
One thing I've noticed in later Cafe menu races is that once you get within say 8-10 seconds of the leading car it seems to speed up and instead of taking 10-15 odd seconds a lap out of it, you might take 2 or 3 or even start to lose time.

Also I adore how great the weather is in game but holy **** again the AI are on rails and certain cars (4wd) seem like they are driving in the dry over anything rwd.
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It's not just the cafe races, the missions are the same. I did the first set of missions last night and only can't get gold on the Northern Isle Speedway. The leader out ahead just keeps going faster when I go faster. I always finish right behind him even though I finish the race a second faster each time. Rubberband chase the rabbit AI as always.

I got to menu 18 last night, was kinda bored already and then it served up Fuji and Autopolis, my least favorite tracks. So I switchd to Horizon again.

Livery import works at least. I used my 25th anniversary code to buy the GR.3 Lexus, 450K plus another 150K for the racing tire set (RH,RM,RS,RI,RW). I hope the tires are for all cars or do you have to buy them again for each new car? It's a bit confusing as the SH tires I bought before to race online showed as purchased. Yet when I went into a different car the racing tires did not show as purchased. Maybe not compatible with that car?

Anyway a quick comparison with GT Sport
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Graphics set to prioritize ray tracing. I assume that's used here with the pixelated light reflection.

It looks nice anyway, but somehow it feels like the car is thinner and taller in GT7 as opposed to GT Sport. It's a bit weird.
 
Kidfunkadelic
One thing that has helped me get all golds in the first 3 licences is watching the demo before you start the test. It will give you a great indication of where to stsrt braking etc. The demo video also is the time for gold so if your content with a bronze you can brake that fraction earlier than the test suggest. Dont give up man. You've got this 🤜🤛
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Hi and Thank You. I did hand it to my son and he tried the licence too, We got to (with my guidance:D) A-3 Racing Line Beginner 3 the one with the Fiat 500 arbarth wow it is nigh impossible to get gold, we have tried TC off Stability off all mixes of settings and we still silver lol. I was hoping he gets bored pretty quick as I didn't think about him saying Dad every two minutes lol.
I had a better idea! Scrap the licences and I have put him on the Music challenges so at least he can race and enjoy and learn.
He is doing ok and he loves the game so hopefully a future hardcore player unless Sonic takes over!!
Would it be cruel to say here son have a ps5 and gt7 and say oh and it is your birthday present even though it isn't his birthday yet? :lol::lol::lol:
 
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So I had 50 bucks worth of sony credit and decided to buy the game. I played for well over an hour and only managed what, 3 music rally and 3 cup races.

It seems to look nice enough on a base ps4, ill give it that. I have not had issues with driving yet as the cars are underpowered.

Music rally, whats the point of this? Why is this in my life???? Absolutely asinine.

Click, click, click.....wait for loading.........talk, talk, talk, click, click ........ monotonous boring race to ensure progression. Rinse , repeat.

Whole Cafe concept is dead set Nintendo like, its infantile I swear.

Then the licenses, we really should be able to just do the final test for each level, get 3 shots at it and if we pass, we skip the ridiculous entry level stuff like literally starting and stopping......I mean come on.

Its content for content sake, like Netflix documentaries that are 6 hours but could have been 1 hour. I can see I am going to have to grind for endless hours just to get a decent race going in sport.

So much bloat.
 
NevilleNobody
So I had 50 bucks worth of sony credit and decided to buy the game. I played for well over an hour and only managed what, 3 music rally and 3 cup races.

It seems to look nice enough on a base ps4, ill give it that. I have not had issues with driving yet as the cars are underpowered.

Music rally, whats the point of this? Why is this in my life???? Absolutely asinine.

Click, click, click.....wait for loading.........talk, talk, talk, click, click ........ monotonous boring race to ensure progression. Rinse , repeat.

Whole Cafe concept is dead set Nintendo like, its infantile I swear.

Then the licenses, we really should be able to just do the final test for each level, get 3 shots at it and if we pass, we skip the ridiculous entry level stuff like literally starting and stopping......I mean come on.

Its content for content sake, like Netflix documentaries that are 6 hours but could have been 1 hour. I can see I am going to have to grind for endless hours just to get a decent race going in sport.

So much bloat.
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Yeah not even sure what the hell was the point of that music rally. Drove around with music playing, reaching checkpoints, a few mins later it was over. See the option is still there but won't be returning unless some strong incentive to do so.

Backdrop to this game is slightly annoying, would prefer the old style of clicking through menus without the ongoing commentary. Not as as bad as FH5 though, the whole festival backdrop and characters are just cringeworthy. Imagine most over 18 or so don't appreciate it. I just ignore it as much as possible.
 
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I adore it so far. Love the single player, the licence tests are very much in line with the old GT titles (read: extremely frustrating), and on PS5 it looks wonderful. The physics are way different, really hard to control many of the cars with TC turned off, which it should be. And holy crap, the Gr3 cars upwards will rip your arms off if you're on a direct drive wheel!

Also -- to know there's the sublime Sport mode to look forward to (which is where I'll be spending most of my time long-term) is great. I just hope penalties return . Plus...all the post-launch content.


A few things I'm a bit disappointed about:
1. Why there are no camera options beyond a few sliders etc is beyond me
Give us a goddam dash cam PD!
2. I'm not sure I like that they've crammed tuning options into the Sport mode. It would be ok if they added a new "Daily Race 4", but now I feel like I'll be even more limited than I was on GTS weekly. Part of the appeal was being able to hop in and let the BoP feature keep things competitive.
3. This one is a bit throwaway, but I think they should have kept a ball-breakingly hard Sport mode trophy in the game. That ridiculous "107 wins" one in GT Sport was a carrot that kept me coming back to the game for years (as sad as that is ...)
 
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evldave333
That 25mph hill climb was dog rough, leaning forward in my seat didn't help either aaarrrggghhh lol
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I did it a few minutes ago... those missions already got on my nerves. What's the point of those races with Fiat 500 (that manage to do 360 when turning too narrow at 25km/h!!) or the one with the beetle VS sambabus (which I have no idea how you can get gold, except trying every possibilities to go around the moving chicanes) and driving the Crown tank in Tokyo and avoid the walls... I don't care to drive that poor car !

Not sure I'll try to gold them, too annoying !
 
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brocp
One thing I've noticed in later Cafe menu races is that once you get within say 8-10 seconds of the leading car it seems to speed up and instead of taking 10-15 odd seconds a lap out of it, you might take 2 or 3 or even start to lose time.

Also I adore how great the weather is in game but holy **** again the AI are on rails and certain cars (4wd) seem like they are driving in the dry over anything rwd.
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timekiller001
At first I thought so too, but it's something else I believe.
There are some cars faster than others, and the AI tends to get stuck behind each other. So P1 is in a slower car with a faster car behind.
Whenever this happened, it was the faster car Finally going through and now being able to put in its own pace - that's the big pace difference I observed.

Yesterday I did the BMW cafe/collection and in that case it was the M4 being substantially quicker than others.
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I have to take my statement back. I just did the Group 4 races and there definitely was a rubberband holding the top cars back until I got closer. So you're 100% right
 
My thoughts on PS5;

It does everything I wanted it to do, it's Gran Turismo in the truest and best way possible. I love the main single player campaign, the menu system is a clever and unique idea to get progression going, encouraging you to try different cars and explore the game. I like how you have to earn things, nice to get a sense of some progression and having to unlock and earn things. There is a lot to do, and it is a good challenge, the races can be hard but that is what will keep me coming back for more. I even kind of enjoy the Music Rally stuff, be interested to see how far they take that mode. Pairing it with Spotify or Apple Music on PS to analyse and use songs from you own playlists would be amazing but I don't think that will happen.

Visually it is a treat as expected, the cars look outstanding, like properly outstanding, the detail and care that has gone in to each one is still unparalleled in gaming. The audio is also really good, some cars still sound a little static or bland but compared to GT6 it is night and day. GTS obviously made big steps here too. The tracks, whilst not up the same unbelievable standard as the cars, look more than good enough. Particularly the ones built bespoke for GT7 like Deep Forest and Trial Mountain, and it makes me excited to see what gets added. The weather effects look incredible and very lifelike, the particle effects are a vast improvement over previous games as well and everything is just so sharp and clear.

I'm enjoying the physics, I appreciate the moves they've made and the increased in challenge that comes with that. The cars feel a bit more lively, especially over bumps, rumble strips and off road. Combined with the Dual Sense controller and it is a real joy to drive this game. I love how the adaptive triggers feel, the resistance offers more control over the input I find, making it a little easier to feather the throttle and modulate braking, its a minor but very nice thing. The haptics feel fantastic, gives everything a real sense of movement.

Upgrades and customisation is way beyond what I was personally expecting. It is a lot of fun to modify cars now instead of it feeling like a bit of a chore or just a means to an end. Everything feels much more cohesive and purposeful, certain parts are clearly there to encourage certain types of builds and the fine tuning that can be done with different combos will give this game huge life. Likewise the visual side, so much more visual customisation than I was expecting here, with different body addons, widebody kits, grills wings etc. Really very good.

Downsides for me so far?

The chase cam is too rigid to the back of the car, needs to move around a little more, that will help with some of the lack of feel from that view.

A master menu button or shortcut menu would be appreciative, it takes a bit too long sometimes to go from one place to the next, even on a PS5.

There doesn't seem to be that many wheel choices, not a great deal of manufacturers and a lot of similar wheels within them.

Tyre pressures! Come on.

Engine swap system is restrictive and bizarre, and not even in a way that could be blamed on micro-transactions. It's just flat out, needlessly, stupidly restrictive. Not talking about how many cars engines can be put in but more the lack of being able to actually get engines to do it.

Roulette prizes are trash.

Tentative/undecided points?

Possibly a lack of events? I'm admittedly maybe not even halfway through the menus, level 12 collector, but there doesn't seem to be a huge amount of race events unlocked so far. I'm assuming based on the fact that there were Gr.3 events open from the start that events are perhaps linked to your garage and will unlock accordingly. But so far a possible concern.

Sport Mode doesn't seem as intuitive as before, it's been a few years since I went on GT Sport but there doesn't seem to be the same intuitive feel as before.

Car list, not in the quantity sense, but in the, where on earth is everything sense. I get that the UCD will rotate (slowly) as will the legends dealer, but there isn't much in the UCD, the same things seem to float around in it for a while and given how many cars are in the game, it may be untold weeks until you see something you actually want to buy. I would have preferred a more dynamic UCD like in previous games, tied to in game days rather than IRL day cycles. It is however, day 3 of release, so once the game really gets moving, we will see how quickly it cycles through the cars that will show in the UCD.

In all, as someone who considers GT4 to be the best overall Gran Turismo, still got immense enjoyment out of GT5 and GT6 and didn't warm to GTS due to its lack of 'Gran Turismo'ness', I'm a big fan of GT7. It does enough to keep the fornula fresh whilst feeling familiar in all the right ways. It's a few odd design choices away from being the perfect racing game, and perhaps in a few months and a couple updates time, it will be.
 
My Initial impressions is disappointment personally. I've been a fan of Gran Turismo since the PS2 era, and this is the first time I've been let down.

Some of my main issues are that GT Sport on my PS5 seems like it looked better than GT7 on PS5. GT Sport everything felt way more polished and lighting was way better. On PS5, I hate the lighting in GT7 and graphics seem to do downhill.

The physics are "more realistic"...kind of....but the game is less enjoyable. On GT Sport it was way more enjoyable and easier to pick up and play.

I'm going to give it a few more days.... but right now I regret trading in GT Sport....and might end up going back and buying GT Sport again cause GT7 feels like it was released before GT Sport....T__T
 
Miroku
My Initial impressions is disappointment personally. I've been a fan of Gran Turismo since the PS2 era, and this is the first time I've been let down.

Some of my main issues are that GT Sport on my PS5 seems like it looked better than GT7 on PS5. GT Sport everything felt way more polished and lighting was way better. On PS5, I hate the lighting in GT7 and graphics seem to do downhill.

The physics are "more realistic"...kind of....but the game is less enjoyable. On GT Sport it was way more enjoyable and easier to pick up and play.

I'm going to give it a few more days.... but right now I regret trading in GT Sport....and might end up going back and buying GT Sport again cause GT7 feels like it was released before GT Sport....T__T
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Tinker with the settings its easier with lower sensitivity & trigger resistance off, I felt the same until I got in a lighter faster vehicle with Sports Soft or better tyres. Its a revelation when you get away from slow heavy vehicles with comfort tyres, which is why they foist the jank on us to begin with, purely for the contrast...
 
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Lomic
I did it a few minutes ago... those missions already got on my nerves. What's the point of those races with Fiat 500 (that manage to do 360 when turning too narrow at 25km/h!!) or the one with the beetle VS sambabus (which I have no idea how you can get gold, except trying every possibilities to go around the moving chicanes) and driving the Crown tank in Tokyo and avoid the walls... I don't care to drive that poor car !

Not sure I'll try to gold them, too annoying !
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The beetle one isn’t hard to gold, get past the first bus on the first corner and go up the inside of the rest at the top of the hill and slip stream the last one.

Is how I did it, took 3 tries using the DualSense and the X/SQ buttons
 
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justin credible
Hi and Thank You. I did hand it to my son and he tried the licence too, We got to (with my guidance:D) A-3 Racing Line Beginner 3 the one with the Fiat 500 arbarth wow it is nigh impossible to get gold, we have tried TC off Stability off all mixes of settings and we still silver lol. I was hoping he gets bored pretty quick as I didn't think about him saying Dad every two minutes lol.
I had a better idea! Scrap the licences and I have put him on the Music challenges so at least he can race and enjoy and learn.
He is doing ok and he loves the game so hopefully a future hardcore player unless Sonic takes over!!
Would it be cruel to say here son have a ps5 and gt7 and say oh and it is your birthday present even though it isn't his birthday yet? :lol::lol::lol:
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Well ive managed all gold in the first 2 licence tests so far and i only really struggled on 1 of them, gold for A-9 😓🤬. Just keep trying to beat your ghost times. Your best bet is to always heavy brake in a straight line and freewheel your way around a corner starting to accelerate in the last 3rd. Exit speed is everything. Learning manual gears will also help as you wont be forced to ahift up or down when the computer wants you to.
 
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The beetle one isn’t hard to gold, get past the first bus on the first corner and go up the inside of the rest
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I'll try again. I've just finished 2nd with the Crown steamboat. So I received my reward for getting all bronze... A wonderful SAMBA BUS!!! 😤

I am absolutely not against missions to be challenges, but it would be better if some were not so BORING 😑
 

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