First impressions......

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I'll try again. I've just finished 2nd with the Crown steamboat. So I received my reward for getting all bronze... A wonderful SAMBA BUS!!! 😤

I am absolutely not against missions to be challenges, but it would be better if some were not so BORING 😑

Oh wait till you do some of the later Cafe ones for the US car collections….special stage x is back….

Loving the game, done the first 3 licence level, a couple of the mission sections and about 27/28 through the cafe stuff

Handling is a bit hit and miss, can be super oversteery and the next race when you understeer it takes forever and a day to collect the grip again.

Other than the Porsche at spa cafe challenge where the weather changes which is really annoying the hell out of me. I’m quite enjoying it, I stopped playing GTS a year or so after launch as I don’t have a perm home for my wheel which made online not so fun using a controller so this is so far a nice single player experience for me, the AI is the AI so I just use my imagination to look past that though…
 
Oh wait till you do some of the later Cafe ones for the US car collections….special stage x is back….
PD has a cruel sense of humor. That samba bus race on the top gear track in GT5 comes to mind. Great idea to have a race with a crossing in a bunch of slow buses spread out around the track...
 
I honestly find the game a bit odd.

On the one hand they've got license tests that teach you how to properly race. They've got circuit experience. They've got the Apex magazine that teaches you racing and how to tune your car for races. They've got sim level physics.

Yet despite all this, the racing feels almost tacked on. Like you can't really call chase the rabbit events "racing". And if you choose one of the other events there is no qualifying. You just start in a random position.

Why no race weekend with practice, qualifying, and race day? Why no racing seasons? Why no racing career?

It feels like a virtual car collection game primarily. Which I guess is cool if you adore cars, but its just weird it seems to have so much potential for being a full on racing sim, yet it shies away from embracing the actual racing itself.
 
I honestly find the game a bit odd.

On the one hand they've got license tests that teach you how to properly race. They've got circuit experience. They've got the Apex magazine that teaches you racing and how to tune your car for races. They've got sim level physics.

Yet despite all this, the racing feels almost tacked on. Like you can't really call chase the rabbit events "racing". And if you choose one of the other events there is no qualifying. You just start in a random position.

Why no race weekend with practice, qualifying, and race day? Why no racing seasons? Why no racing career?

It feels like a virtual car collection game primarily. Which I guess is cool if you adore cars, but its just weird it seems to have so much potential for being a full on racing sim, yet it shies away from embracing the actual racing itself.

Honestly, I agree.

I love driving stuff I could never own like an E30 M3 and do countless laps in all my cars.

I treat it like a virtual track day game rather than thinking about it like a racing game, if you think of it like that you can by and large ignore the chase the rabbit side of it and just consider almost all the races just track days.
 
I would even say it looks better than GT7 on PS5. I'm racing on N24 on ps4 pro, and was playing GT7 on ps5 in between races yesterday. The version of N24 that's up now on GTS looks amazing in HDR. GT7 HDR is a mess, Goodwood circuit was downright ugly. The brief time I tried the Nordschleife in a GT7 lobby made me weep lol. Maybe it was the weird sun angle the host chose, however the version on GT Sport right now is also with low sun.

It makes sense in a way. GT Sport has pre-baked fully ray raced light and shadow maps. GT7 does it real time, no way the ps5 can match the server farm they used to pre-bake GT Sport's lighting. So in GT7, the cars look better, the track environment looks worse :/ It's a mixed bag. Same for replays, cars look slightly better, but that underpowered ray tracing can't make the tracks look as good.
They interpolate between different bakes to create a dynamic time of day. There are elements where Sport looks better and vice versa for GT7.
 
They interpolate between different bakes to create a dynamic time of day. There are elements where Sport looks better and vice versa for GT7.
Ah. After playing some more, some tracks do look a bit nicer, but not all. Northern Isle speedway is kinda ugly in GT7, while Tokyo Central looks improved. Willow springs looks better apart from the HDR issues, yet Laguna Seca was still ugly. (Ugly track I guess)

Mixed bag. And I do still see plenty pop in on Deep Forest and other tracks. I really want to know what the Nordchleife looks like with variable time and weather, but I guess it's one of the last tracks that unlock. Got to grind for it!
 
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Oh wait till you do some of the later Cafe ones for the US car collections….special stage x is back….
As an US car owner and fen I though the whole American Iron thing was impressive to say the least. Very well curated content and special stage x was super fun actually. Not to mention all the Daytona content for all not familiar with NASA the Nationals event is held on Daytona where all the tuned American Iron cars race (Mostly Mustangs and Camaros) so to race there was amazing. And a friend of mine recently uploaded a video from his GT350 at Daytona on Sunset So this was like reliving that experience. Amazing content. But some of the content in this game need a back story to be understand and I think they did a poor job at explaining some of it. You need to fallow a lot of racing in different formats in order to enjoy the GT Cafe Menu's.
 
It's not just the cafe races, the missions are the same. I did the first set of missions last night and only can't get gold on the Northern Isle Speedway. The leader out ahead just keeps going faster when I go faster. I always finish right behind him even though I finish the race a second faster each time. Rubberband chase the rabbit AI as always.

I got to menu 18 last night, was kinda bored already and then it served up Fuji and Autopolis, my least favorite tracks. So I switchd to Horizon again.

Livery import works at least. I used my 25th anniversary code to buy the GR.3 Lexus, 450K plus another 150K for the racing tire set (RH,RM,RS,RI,RW). I hope the tires are for all cars or do you have to buy them again for each new car? It's a bit confusing as the SH tires I bought before to race online showed as purchased. Yet when I went into a different car the racing tires did not show as purchased. Maybe not compatible with that car?

Anyway a quick comparison with GT Sport
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It looks nice anyway, but somehow it feels like the car is thinner and taller in GT7 as opposed to GT Sport. It's a bit weird.
I’m not seeing the thinner/taller, looks proportionally the same to me.
 
Ah. After playing some more, some tracks do look a bit nicer, but not all. Northern Isle speedway is kinda ugly in GT7, while Tokyo Central looks improved. Willow springs looks better apart from the HDR issues, yet Laguna Seca was still ugly. (Ugly track I guess)

Mixed bag. And I do still see plenty pop in on Deep Forest and other tracks. I really want to know what the Nordchleife looks like with variable time and weather, but I guess it's one of the last tracks that unlock. Got to grind for it!
You unlock Nordschleife around Menu Book 30. So keep grinding. And there is very frustrating Porsche event with it (which really resemble both Touristenfahrten and Manthey Track Day). So if you can drive Nordschleife it will be fun for me was frustrating.
 
As an US car owner and fen I though the whole American Iron thing was impressive to say the least. Very well curated content and special stage x was super fun actually. Not to mention all the Daytona content for all not familiar with NASA the Nationals event is held on Daytona where all the tuned American Iron cars race (Mostly Mustangs and Camaros) so to race there was amazing. And a friend of mine recently uploaded a video from his GT350 at Daytona on Sunset So this was like reliving that experience. Amazing content. But some of the content in this game need a back story to be understand and I think they did a poor job at explaining some of it. You need to fallow a lot of racing in different formats in order to enjoy the GT Cafe Menu's.

I like cars, I like Porsches particularly but doing a 10 mile oval in a corvette is not fun it is literally just full throttle with zero technique or racing.

I also didn’t enjoy racing a pick up truck in a 2 pack slip stream scenario.

I enjoy variety like the mileage challenges etc or the staggered start stuff. Looping a 10 mile bowl at 200mph and literally nothing to do hurt my thumb.

I love all cars, I just thought the Ford and Chevy menus are an acquired taste not for me.

Just to be crystal clear, I’m a petrol head for bikes and cars have been reading about cars since I was 13 (max power/fast car/revs anyone)

I know the histories which makes it a little annoying that a MK1 golf makes it i to the game but a 205 GTi 1.6/1.9 doesn’t or a R5 turbo or even a MK2 Golf 16v? No S3, No M5 no Lotus Elise…..

It’s a curated list of things they want you to know about and then forced with F150 races :/ you can see why I find it underwhelming to race those races one a ten mile bowl and the other a pick up truck slip stream at Daytona when whist iconic are hardly drivers cars. I get the samba and Jeep stuff (like the moon rover in GT5) but really deep down, is anyone looking forward to the next pick up truck to race/track around Laguna or the ring???

A 350 mustang is an icon, but so is a triumph stag.
 

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Is there no stickied daily race thread for GT7 like there is for GT Sport? Couldn't find one but hadn't been on here in months.
 
Ah. After playing some more, some tracks do look a bit nicer, but not all. Northern Isle speedway is kinda ugly in GT7, while Tokyo Central looks improved. Willow springs looks better apart from the HDR issues, yet Laguna Seca was still ugly. (Ugly track I guess)

Mixed bag. And I do still see plenty pop in on Deep Forest and other tracks. I really want to know what the Nordchleife looks like with variable time and weather, but I guess it's one of the last tracks that unlock. Got to grind for it!
At menu 35 or so there is a GT4 race on the Ring which is excellent.
As a real Ring fanatic, I am certainly not disappointed.
 
Ah. After playing some more, some tracks do look a bit nicer, but not all. Northern Isle speedway is kinda ugly in GT7, while Tokyo Central looks improved. Willow springs looks better apart from the HDR issues, yet Laguna Seca was still ugly. (Ugly track I guess)

Mixed bag. And I do still see plenty pop in on Deep Forest and other tracks. I really want to know what the Nordchleife looks like with variable time and weather, but I guess it's one of the last tracks that unlock. Got to grind for it!
Your HDR issues are local change your settings on your TV, I find the natural preset on my HDR works best.
 
Probably the wrong thread for this, but I’ve just raced an AI car that wasn’t quite like the rest.

Apart from me chucking it off at the last corner this AI seemed a bit better than the rest.

I lead from lap 3 and it caught me, passed me and then towed me around for the other 2 laps.

I’m in the GTR

Edited to add I picked the max peppers at the start.
 

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I like cars, I like Porsches particularly but doing a 10 mile oval in a corvette is not fun it is literally just full throttle with zero technique or racing.

I also didn’t enjoy racing a pick up truck in a 2 pack slip stream scenario.

I enjoy variety like the mileage challenges etc or the staggered start stuff. Looping a 10 mile bowl at 200mph and literally nothing to do hurt my thumb.

I love all cars, I just thought the Ford and Chevy menus are an acquired taste not for me.

Just to be crystal clear, I’m a petrol head for bikes and cars have been reading about cars since I was 13 (max power/fast car/revs anyone)

I know the histories which makes it a little annoying that a MK1 golf makes it i to the game but a 205 GTi 1.6/1.9 doesn’t or a R5 turbo or even a MK2 Golf 16v? No S3, No M5 no Lotus Elise…..

It’s a curated list of things they want you to know about and then forced with F150 races :/ you can see why I find it underwhelming to race those races one a ten mile bowl and the other a pick up truck slip stream at Daytona when whist iconic are hardly drivers cars. I get the samba and Jeep stuff (like the moon rover in GT5) but really deep down, is anyone looking forward to the next pick up truck to race/track around Laguna or the ring???

A 350 mustang is an icon, but so is a triumph stag.
This Mustang looks photo realistic great job. And very tastefully done. I do agree on the pard with the Daytona and F150's but even that was classic american racing I think there was pickup racing on ovals in other GT instalments maybe GT5 ? But for me chasing Fraga in the Green Corvette with ZR1 1LE Camaro was super fun also as a Mustang owner fen that Camaro was super capable car.
I for example found the M3 E30 around wet Nurburgring GP to be very hard race to do in order to finish the BMW M Menu. But then created a very good M3 E92 fully build super fun to drive and enjoy. Overall sure the Menu's are curated crafted even to the point which cars you pass where but all of this is done to recreate something ether from car culture or from GT 25 years history. With that in mind for me as a Ford fen the obvious miss is the Fiesta ST.
 
Your HDR issues are local change your settings on your TV, I find the natural preset on my HDR works best.
It looks great in GT Sport, why does it look off in GT7? Same console, same TV, same game engine, different result.

GT Sport had HDR calibration screen, GT7 does not. I used the system level calibration but it still looks off.
 
Is there no stickied daily race thread for GT7 like there is for GT Sport? Couldn't find one but hadn't been on here in months.
There was never a stickied one, just a very active one!

As it's the thread into which I placed the Daily Races update article each week, this one would seem to be the nearest equivalent:
 
There was never a stickied one, just a very active one!

As it's the thread into which I placed the Daily Races update article each week, this one would seem to be the nearest equivalent:
Thank you Famine!
 
It looks great in GT Sport, why does it look off in GT7? Same console, same TV, same game engine, different result.

GT Sport had HDR calibration screen, GT7 does not. I used the system level calibration but it still looks off.
Its perfect on my TV I do a lot of natural light photography so I have a good feel for tone. Im sorry you're having issues, I first changed up my own HDR presets when they brought Goodwood to GTS as it was too bright. Have a tinker with your TV menu's rather than the game's.
 
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I’m not seeing the thinner/taller, looks proportionally the same to me.
Hmm, I noticed it right away. I can see it on those screenshots as well although the camera angle isn't the same.

Alsace village looks like a rollercoaster in GT7, stretched in height. Maybe intentional, but it doesn't look that steep in GT Sport. Anyway I need to get to menu 35 to compare the Nordschleife, which I've been racing on all week. I hardly recognized the track when I joined a lobby in GT7, wider, stretched out, but the sun angle the host had set didn't help either. Plus I didn't have the same car yet, pov makes a difference as well.
 
Hmm, I noticed it right away. I can see it on those screenshots as well although the camera angle isn't the same.

Alsace village looks like a rollercoaster in GT7, stretched in height. Maybe intentional, but it doesn't look that steep in GT Sport. Anyway I need to get to menu 35 to compare the Nordschleife, which I've been racing on all week. I hardly recognized the track when I joined a lobby in GT7, wider, stretched out, but the sun angle the host had set didn't help either. Plus I didn't have the same car yet, pov makes a difference as well.
Do you use bumper cam? They’ve changed the fov quite a bit in that view.
 
Do you use bumper cam? They’ve changed the fov quite a bit in that view.
Yes, it looks rather bad. Is there a way to change it? You can change the cockpit view but I don't see any options for FOV in bumper cam. It really stands out since I'm still playing GT Sport.

Its perfect on my TV I do a lot of natural light photography so I have a good feel for tone. Im sorry you're having issues, I first changed up my own HDR presets when they brought Goodwood to GTS as it was too bright. Have a tinker with your TV menu's rather than the game's.
I'll try the game settings first. I don't want to start keeping a spreadsheet of settings per game. HDR has been a lot of hit and miss. Sometimes it looks awesome, sometimes it gives me migraines (Horizon Forbidden West) I don't want to mess up the perfect looking GT Sport :/

Anyway it must be a brightness issue as the sun on Big Willow (one of the menu races) takes up a quarter of the screen. One huge yellow circle. It was the same on Goodwood (in GT7) The sun is low as in on the Nord this week in GT Sport, yet there it looks right.

HDR is the new NTSC, never the same color...



I unlocked the Nordschleife and have been driving on it with the GR.3 Lexus, same thing I've been doing all week in GT Sport. It is quite different in GT7.

First of all, dynamic time and weather is really cool! It adds a lot to the experience. Just a shame the AI is still so bad. On pro level they're still braking for Flug platz and other places where a little lift off the throttle is more than plenty. And the yellow flag at the start is hilarious. The AI seems to have a 66% chance of causing a yellow flag at the start which makes all the cars practically come to a stand still. If you pass any you get a penalty. Parking lot start... Also the game kept starting me on Heavy wets, even though I had changed them before. The custom race settings all also still reset every time ugh.

Yet driving in the spray behind other cars over N24 is quite a challenge. Guess where the brake points are, relying on muscle memory :) Grip didn't seem affected though, I was racing on RM since I didn't know the arcade race had rain. Everything felt the same. Just for show in the arcade race? (I didn't try rain in the custom race)

What is throwing me off is the fov change or rather everything seems stretched out to the horizon. This is GT Sport:
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(Captured while racing in HDR, hence the washed out look)

vs GT7 in about the same spot
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(Captured while racing in SDR)

It's more obvious in motion and especially while passing cars. They stretch out like a stretch limo :/
What you can see is that GT7 applies a lot more motion blur, which probably explains why I notice less of the graffiti while racing and the road takes on a more plastic look depending on how the light hits it.
(Anyone know what that new thingie on the HUD is, on the left?)

While racing the track seems to have been neutered quite a bit. There is much less movement in the car at least in bumper cam. Much more of a magic carpet ride instead of seeing all the bumps shake the view while racing. The karoussel is the biggest letdown. Sound and rumble feedback are nearly absent compared to GT Sport. It just feels like the rest of the road. The big dip on the right before entering the final straight is gone. And the mini karoussel before that seems far more flat. No satisfaction anymore diving in that and using it to whip the car around the corner.

Mixed bag:
+ Dynamic time and weather, huge step forward.
- FOV change, Heavy motion blur, Much smoother track.

It does look good yet the track doesn't feel the same :/

As for the driving physics, very similar except the car tends to break out now and then where it doesn't in GT Sport.
 
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Anybody else super bummed that it takes more money to get your car upgraded to the suggested PP level than you can win in the next three menu card races? Eventually it will force you into a "micro"transaction. Why don't you earn a viable car for the next series when you complete a menu? The cars are always at least 100 pp under the suggest level.

Also the rubberbanding! Whoah, talk about time travel! It's not very much fun when you catch up like a Pro driver then spend the entire next lap just trying to keep up like a novice.
 
You're world is going to change for the better, good sir. It's damn acceptable on the PS4 pro to me. Some things in the physics still bug me but throttle and brake ramps are MUCH nicer.

I almost didn't buy it since I'm going PC soon buy couldn't resist. It will be good entertainment until then.
The driving and dynamics in GT7 are leaps and bounds ahead of GTS. You can feel the front end now, and the front and rear feel like separate entities. You can actually feel the difference between a four-wheel slide and the rear end coming around.

I'm really encouraged by the first few hours on the new game. I think it's going to appeal to those that have experience IRL and perhaps separate the gamers from the drivers. You can't just throw the car in hard and smash the wheel until ridiculous front tire slip angles occur.

Jumping back into GTS... it's like there is less than half as much information to work with. It's actually easier to drive, after seat time in GT7. Like being between guardrails, and you can play at the limit without penalty much easier than GTSport.

I'm really looking forward to adding the Fanatec DD and load cell pedal to the experience. I think it's going to jump out even more as a more sim-like feel. And I think that I'm going to be relatively quicker and more consistent/competitive compared to GT7. Mostly it's just a lot of fun.

Aside from that, the experience on the PS4 Pro is perfectly good... load times, graphics, it's all fantastic. I was worried it would be pointless if not on a PS5, or watered down... but there is no indication of that. Really happy to find that out.

@Sven Jurgens great racing with you at the Ring this weekend! Mostly fun races until later Sunday night when all decency was abandoned. Re the GT7 model... did you all see that they completely repaved the Ring this winter? Maybe PD took that into account and smoothed it out on the GT7 model, compared to the GTS one!?!
 
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2 weekend afternoons in, on PS5 with dualsense gamepad, opened up all the world map, collected some 15 cars, floating around 200K cr and I don't wish to spend any! but I need an FR car suddenly for GTCafe and that nissan silvia that I have... like i said, I don't wish to spend any cr lol..

My impression from days of GT5 to this, it feels like a very new driving game, but not in any worse way. to really improve on the immersion, you need a proper sim setup that will have you cut tenths off laptimes from here on out, and i come to grasp that the dual sense while a formidable piece of hardware, will not cut the mustard to that task. but i will wait for Thrustmaster next unveil at their DD wheel and plunker down. also need a proper screen size, as this game needs to be played 1:1 in a cockpit view to what is irl. otherwise all gets narrowed down. the forest appearing in Trial Mounain (at a licence test) felt very welcoming in the photorealism dept, you can really find that root of a particular tree as landmark, so much so that you're taking eyes off the track for way too long,

i wish to expand on this, I feel the eyes are off track way too much in this game, maybe its the eyecandy all around, the epic sky and lighting on the cars, the eyes are gawking everywhere except on the driving where you need to be! gotta work on that.

this game will age like fine wine. will use it to learn photography skills too ! thank you PD & Sony.

oh and, you need to subscribe to PSplus to join any multiplayer rooms, lol. oops.
 
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Got to run a race on Deep Forest, and it makes me miss the other great legacy tracks like Grand Valley, Red Rocks, and Special Stage 11
 
I'm plodding through the cafe stuff to unlock the tracks, but have trouble staying awake with the 'races' it makes you do. Pick the highest PP car that qualifies, drive the laps, repeat. Then Special Stage Route X comes up, press gas for what felt like an hour. Next waste credits on widening a body which looks exactly the same to me :confused: To be followed by another unskippable cut scene. That's when I walked out again. Just let me have the rest of tracks!

Are there any endurance races btw? I saw a 30 lap one on Tsukuba in the missions menu yet nothing else so far. I wanted to drive the Mazda 787B but the only option so far is a mission on trial mountain where it literally makes you wait a minute before you can start, watching the slow cars depart one by one so you can catch them all in one lap :banghead:

I can't find the GR.C cars to buy anywhere (not that I can afford them likely). I guess they will show up in the Legend car dealer once in a blue moon? How long before I can take the 787B out at Sarthe...

I played all the other campaigns from GT1 onwards and can't remember ever being so bored with a GT game. GT Sport has changed the game :/

To be fair, I'm rather tired after racing too much on the Nord last week and most of the races it makes you do are at sunset or low light rainy, making me more sleepy lol.
 
I'm plodding through the cafe stuff to unlock the tracks, but have trouble staying awake with the 'races' it makes you do. Pick the highest PP car that qualifies, drive the laps, repeat. Then Special Stage Route X comes up, press gas for what felt like an hour. Next waste credits on widening a body which looks exactly the same to me :confused: To be followed by another unskippable cut scene. That's when I walked out again. Just let me have the rest of tracks!

Are there any endurance races btw? I saw a 30 lap one on Tsukuba in the missions menu yet nothing else so far. I wanted to drive the Mazda 787B but the only option so far is a mission on trial mountain where it literally makes you wait a minute before you can start, watching the slow cars depart one by one so you can catch them all in one lap :banghead:

I can't find the GR.C cars to buy anywhere (not that I can afford them likely). I guess they will show up in the Legend car dealer once in a blue moon? How long before I can take the 787B out at Sarthe...

I played all the other campaigns from GT1 onwards and can't remember ever being so bored with a GT game. GT Sport has changed the game :/

To be fair, I'm rather tired after racing too much on the Nord last week and most of the races it makes you do are at sunset or low light rainy, making me more sleepy lol.
All tracks are unlocked at menu book 36 apparently. That’s all I’m aiming at. I don’t see any point in doing anything after that. Hopefully by then there will be a gr3 race c and we can see if I have enough credits to enter.
 
The driving and dynamics in GT7 are leaps and bounds ahead of GTS. You can feel the front end now, and the front and rear feel like separate entities. You can actually feel the difference between a four-wheel slide and the rear end coming around.

I'm really encouraged by the first few hours on the new game. I think it's going to appeal to those that have experience IRL and perhaps separate the gamers from the drivers. You can't just throw the car in hard and smash the wheel until ridiculous front tire slip angles occur.

Jumping back into GTS... it's like there is less than half as much information to work with. It's actually easier to drive, after seat time in GT7. Like being between guardrails, and you can play at the limit without penalty much easier than GTSport.

I'm really looking forward to adding the Fanatec DD and load cell pedal to the experience. I think it's going to jump out even more as a more sim-like feel. And I think that I'm going to be relatively quicker and more consistent/competitive compared to GT7. Mostly it's just a lot of fun.

Aside from that, the experience on the PS4 Pro is perfectly good... load times, graphics, it's all fantastic. I was worried it would be pointless if not on a PS5, or watered down... but there is no indication of that. Really happy to find that out.

@Sven Jurgens great racing with you at the Ring this weekend! Mostly fun races until later Sunday night when all decency was abandoned. Re the GT7 model... did you all see that they completely repaved the Ring this winter? Maybe PD took that into account and smoothed it out on the GT7 model, compared to the GTS one!?!

I'm actually excited for you. I went from a G29 to the DD1 and was blown away and even more so on ACC and GT7. Still by far my fave new thing is the pedal travel and linearity. Once you hook up the Fanatec gear you'll see. Especially given the new physics.

Although it does seem they've gone more towards proper steering angles instead of introducing good slip angle. It's taking some adjustment because I'm a more tail happy driver by nature.
 

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