FITT: Blind Tuning Challenge! Congrats to Bowtie-muscle & Otaliema! Tuners Revealed!!

[Bowtie-muscle]

Really quiet in here today, amazing how quiet it gets when no one can post tunes.

 

[DolHaus]

Its been quiet across the whole forum today

How are people approaching the final corner at Tsukuba? I can't work out if entering wide and coasting into the mid section before getting back on the power is the quickest way or if holding a tighter line and using a quick dab of brakes is better? I always get lost/impatient on long corners

 

[TurnLeft]

Really quiet in here today, amazing how quiet it gets when no one can post tunes.

...... I`ve got laryngitis .......

Best I can do from at work.

 

[ImToLegitToQuit]

Its been quiet across the whole forum today

How are people approaching the final corner at Tsukuba? I can't work out if entering wide and coasting into the mid section before getting back on the power is the quickest way or if holding a tighter line and using a quick dab of brakes is better? I always get lost/impatient on long corners

I've always had the best results with a wide beginning and then hitting a mid to late apex. It really depends on the drivetrain.

 

[DolHaus]

I've always had the best results with a wide beginning and then hitting a mid to late apex. It really depends on the drivetrain.

I find that with some drivetrains holding a tighter line and hugging the curb allows you to get back on the throttle earlier without pushing wide, the problem is you have to be precise with your inputs because the car will get upset easily

 

[Otaliema]

How are people approaching the final corner at Tsukuba? I can't work out if entering wide and coasting into the mid section before getting back on the power is the quickest way or if holding a tighter line and using a quick dab of brakes is better? I always get lost/impatient on long corners

I can't really go into details with out giving away my car lol, the bets overall linen at I have found is set wide dive to a mid apex and downshift With a touch of brakes to set the tail out and ease back on the throttle to finish wide at the line.

I've always had the best results with a wide beginning and then hitting a mid to late apex. It really depends on the drivetrain.

Totally agree some of them you have to coast part of the turn but most can hold 50% throttle with no issues through the entire turn till the start of the exit when you can punch it.

 

[ImToLegitToQuit]

I find that with some drivetrains holding a tighter line and hugging the curb allows you to get back on the throttle earlier without pushing wide, the problem is you have to be precise with your inputs because the car will get upset easily

Yeah that inside curb will upset a car with the best of them. Could even be top 3 in the game for spinning potential.

 

[DolHaus]

Yeah that inside curb will upset a car with the best of them. Could even be top 3 in the game for spinning potential.

Ooh I don't know, I think I'm more prone to spinning on any corner at Willow Springs Spun a few times hitting the curb by the Dunlop bridge though, very easy to turn in a hair too early and smash into it.
I use Tsukuba as a tuning track for drift cars so I'm having to get out of the habbit of entering the corners backwards

 

[ImToLegitToQuit]

Anyone got a lap time for the time attack group, I'm sitting in the low 56's right now

I don't have a horse in the gt300 comp but I was itching for some track time. On a base tune I ran a 56.1 and after a few tweaks ran a 55.7. I could see a finished tune for me in the low 55's and I'm usually a little faster than you so it seems like you are on the right path 👍

 

[Ridox2JZGTE]

I ran one of my GT300 car that I haven't driven for awhile ( one of the time attack cars eligible ), it was replica built for Fuji, Suzuka and Motegi Road Course 2009 Super GT.
I increased the final gear, then removed the ballast to get into spec for the regulation, max ride height was kept and ran a couple of laps. 55.4s on 2nd lap ( no assists ), with more room to grow as the final ratio wasn't optimized as I have to get into 2nd gear for a few moments on hairpins. Should only need 3rd gear and above for the whole lap with higher final, the dunlop esses can be taken with a lift off then full throttle to the next hairpin, and last turn only need quick lift + tap on the brakes, then flat out to finish. I think the 1st turn is crucial, I got low 13s 1st sector ( 1st left hairpin ). A 12s 1st sector is possible and 54s lap time with higher final drive.

 

[Otaliema]

That's amusing, a GT300 at Brands Hatch for a seasonal. too bad it's not Tsukuba

edit; I've been thinking, I'm noticing a trend with some of the seasonal's. They are close to matching a current FITT event that is going on a lot of the time. I guess someone at PD watches the forums here. Or am I just seeing things?

 

[Ridox2JZGTE]

That's amusing, a GT300 at Brands Hatch for a seasonal. too bad it's not Tsukuba

edit; I've been thinking, I'm noticing a trend with some of the seasonal's. They are close to matching a current FITT event that is going on a lot of the time. I guess someone at PD watches the forums here. Or am I just seeing things?

What about 400PP CH tire seasonal at Tsukuba We never have CH tire at Tsukuba event We need 70% water on track for Tsukuba No, make that 30-40% + tire wear, so people will get confused which tire to use, inter or full wet

 

[Otaliema]

What about 400PP CH tire seasonal at Tsukuba We never have CH tire at Tsukuba event We need 70% water on track for Tsukuba No, make that 30-40%, so people will get confused which tire to use, inter or full wet

That would be interesting, 30-40% is dry enough for sports tires or slicks might a hair faster with inter tires tho. *STi vs Evo anyone?* Just wet enough to make you think dry enough to confuse your tune.

 

[demonchilde]

about that final corner, I always found coasting past apex for a second until you actually SEE a b-line through the curb and then putting down the hammer with no turning needed, then a gear up when past it while straightening out for the long part.
I have tried a ton of things, but seem to gain back that second faster this way.
going "operation" on this corner fast is one of those 7 times you get perfect--3 times you mess up and slam or clip losing time. I like to go with the 100% rather then the 70%.
btw, the refrence to "Operation" is to the 70's/80's board game.

 

[Ridox2JZGTE]

That would be interesting, 30-40% is dry enough for sports tires or slicks might a hair faster with inter tires tho. *STi vs Evo anyone?* Just wet enough to make you think dry enough to confuse your tune.

I added tire wear We never had event with tire wear on, I have been testing tune for very fast tire wear used on sprint races ( 5 laps ) and it really makes you rethink your approach to make the car smooth and stable instead outright speed. After lap 4, the balance and stability becomes paramount as the tire will start to react more to hard driving.

 

[Otaliema]

I added tire wear We never had event with tire wear on, I have been testing tune for very fast tire wear used on sprint races ( 5 laps ) and it really makes you rethink your approach to make the car smooth and stable instead outright speed. After lap 4, the balance and stability becomes paramount as the tire will start to react more to hard driving.

would have to be a single lap event like the Daytona RC was so everyone is running on the same tires. Let you bring your own car but you get one lap to get it right than have to start over.

 

[DolHaus]

I ran one of my GT300 car that I haven't driven for awhile ( one of the time attack cars eligible ), it was replica built for Fuji, Suzuka and Motegi Road Course 2009 Super GT.
I increased the final gear, then removed the ballast to get into spec for the regulation, max ride height was kept and ran a couple of laps. 55.4s on 2nd lap ( no assists ), with more room to grow as the final ratio wasn't optimized as I have to get into 2nd gear for a few moments on hairpins. Should only need 3rd gear and above for the whole lap with higher final, the dunlop esses can be taken with a lift off then full throttle to the next hairpin, and last turn only need quick lift + tap on the brakes, then flat out to finish. I think the 1st turn is crucial, I got low 13s 1st sector ( 1st left hairpin ). A 12s 1st sector is possible and 54s lap time with higher final drive.

What is your approach to the first corner? I tend to stay wide on entry, run deep and turn in late so I can get back on the throttle before hitting the late apex.

 

[Ridox2JZGTE]

What is your approach to the first corner? I tend to stay wide on entry, run deep and turn in late so I can get back on the throttle before hitting the late apex.

There are more than 1 way to enter the 1st turn The GT300 cars have good brakes and high DF, so very late braking is possible without losing too much steering capability. I often use 2 types of approach, one brake very late and enter from the middle ( slow in ) then fast out by aiming the front wheel close to the apex ( no need to get very close ) - aim to the left curb on the exit, this requires smooth steering on exit.
The other one is to brake a bit earlier, but stay on the outside ( wide ), right before the clipping point, turn the car quickly - usually can go flat out. I often use this with FF or AWD street car -can shave good amount of time - 2 to 3 tenth maybe.

For the GT300 cars, I tend to brake right after the slight incline ( very late ) - use the high wall on the left as reference, right after passing that - start braking, then use the front DF to help turning while braking. I tend to stay wide on the left when braking then gradually hug the apex, no need to really hit the inner curb - bad for the car I think my cornering speed was at least 80+kmh / 50mph - should never lower than this with the GT300 car me thinks

For the last corner, you can actually coast/lift throttle - the car to enter turn and hit the apex, may need slight tap on the brake to get the speed right It takes some guts IRL I hit 190kmh / 118mph when entering the last corner, lift then hard steer to the right for a moment or so -a tap of left brake if necessary, then flat out 👍

 

[DolHaus]

There are more than 1 way to enter the 1st turn The GT300 cars have good brakes and high DF, so very late braking is possible without losing too much steering capability. I often use 2 types of approach, one brake very late and enter from the middle ( slow in ) then fast out by aiming the front wheel close to the apex ( no need to get very close ) - aim to the left curb on the exit, this requires smooth steering on exit.
The other one is to brake a bit earlier, but stay on the outside ( wide ), right before the clipping point, turn the car quickly - usually can go flat out. I often use this with FF or AWD street car -can shave good amount of time - 2 to 3 tenth maybe.

For the GT300 cars, I tend to brake right after the slight incline ( very late ) - use the high wall on the left as reference, right after passing that - start braking, then use the front DF to help turning while braking. I tend to stay wide on the left when braking then gradually hug the apex, no need to really hit the inner curb - bad for the car I think my cornering speed was at least 80+kmh / 50mph - should never lower than this with the GT300 car me thinks

For the last corner, you can actually coast/lift throttle - the car to enter turn and hit the apex, may need slight tap on the brake to get the speed right It takes some guts IRL I hit 190kmh / 118mph when entering the last corner, lift then hard steer to the right for a moment or so -a tap of left brake if necessary, then flat out 👍

For a seemingly simple course layout there are a surprising amount of different ways to tackle it

 

[demonchilde]

you forgot the kamikaze approach to turn 1.
burn in at 160mph.
hit the e-brake slightly and turn so you hit the end drivers-side door flat. then floor it skipping ending gear 1 at 20 mph and riding gear 2 past 90mph up the hill.
then usinh the guardrail to steer you at the top of the hill, and just keep it floored.

hey, if anyone says they haven't tried it they lie, lol.

 

[Otaliema]

@DolHaus Yeah T1 I take on a wide into tight trail braking turn in a gear high and have it at 70% after the first apex, floored at the second apex. I get it right I shoot out of the turn as fast as going deep and wide but take nearly 3 tenths off the corner.

 

[Ridox2JZGTE]

If anyone interested to see the lap ( braking, line and speeds ) -Tsukuba, GT300 car ( see for yourself which one ) and same spec to fit reg. I'm not tuning in the class, so I hope it's okay. The car is replica based tune, it has camber and real life based gearing Time 55.425 2nd lap ( ABS 0 4/5 BB ) Wished I can upload a video instead

 

[demonchilde]

I will take some more runs when I get home tonight to see how I stand next to that. ^^

I think I am either going to do really well against the others, or dead last. I don't think I will hit middle of the road on this, but you never know I guess.
The reason I say this is simple;
"the car I submitted" is a car I use a lot and have for awhile now. I have tweaked it to my driving style long long ago, only makinh tiny changes as new patchs came.
So when this event came up, I was curious how close my style IS to everyone else's. So all I did was buy a new one (because my normal one had over 300k miles on it), and adjust gears to the new one to match so the testers could hit the right numbers.
So like I said, its going to be hit or miss I think.

The bad side of this, is everyone else is having fun tuning and retuning, and little old me submitted my tune the day it was posted. So now I'm bored, lol.
Can I tune 2? another in the same class, just a different car choice?

 

[DaBomm4]

Can I tune 2? another in the same class, just a different car choice?

I would assume it would be "choose the tune you want tested" unless you wait until after to have the testers optionally test a tune.

Or, if you wanted to join the "fun of tuning and retuning" then you could tinker on your current tune and see if you like the improvements better than your original tune.

 

[CSLACR]

It always gets a bit sluggish when tunes are secret. Doesn't make the shootouts worse though, just different.

For Tsukuba, (last corner) I would recommend the wide entry and mid/late apex with most cars.

 

[DolHaus]

I will take some more runs when I get home tonight to see how I stand next to that. ^^

I think I am either going to do really well against the others, or dead last. I don't think I will hit middle of the road on this, but you never know I guess.
The reason I say this is simple;
"the car I submitted" is a car I use a lot and have for awhile now. I have tweaked it to my driving style long long ago, only makinh tiny changes as new patchs came.
So when this event came up, I was curious how close my style IS to everyone else's. So all I did was buy a new one (because my normal one had over 300k miles on it), and adjust gears to the new one to match so the testers could hit the right numbers.
So like I said, its going to be hit or miss I think.

The bad side of this, is everyone else is having fun tuning and retuning, and little old me submitted my tune the day it was posted. So now I'm bored, lol.
Can I tune 2? another in the same class, just a different car choice?

You may not enter another car in the contest although you are of course free to tune the other cars privately (please do not post publicly until testing period is over). You may alter your submitted tune in any way you see fit (including changing car) up until the tuning deadline

 

[demonchilde]

well good, maybe I will do that. I will play around and if I'm not done in time or just don't like the feel of whatever, then I know my 'stand-by' tune is already in.

Maybe I will get to play with that 'other' car I've been meaning to try out.

Edit:
Of course now I have these imaginary lap times to hypotheticaly go insane over, lol.

 

[Bowtie-muscle]

well good, maybe I will do that. I will play around and if I'm not done in time or just don't like the feel of whatever, then I know my 'stand-by' tune is already in.

Maybe I will get to play with that 'other' car I've been meaning to try out.

Edit:
Of course now I have these imaginary lap times to hypotheticaly go insane over, lol.

I would not worry too much, in the end, it all comes down to how fast the testers can drive the tunes and if they can match the tuners best lap. Does not always happen.

 

[Bowtie-muscle]

It always gets a bit sluggish when tunes are secret. Doesn't make the shootouts worse though, just different.

For Tsukuba, (last corner) I would recommend the wide entry and mid/late apex with most cars.

It is sluggish, but should get rolling when testing begins (I hope anyway), should definitely be a change though.

 

[Otaliema]

It is sluggish, but should get rolling when testing begins (I hope anyway), should definitely be a change though.

Testing results posted always brings out the banter lol.
Choices choices have two tunes polar opposite of each other in terms of they behave, one is be nice or see where you just been but it's blistering fast the other is beat this to ground and it keeps on going but around half a second slower for max but a average lap is lower than the other.....