FITT - Federation of International Tuners and Test-Drivers

[GTP_CargoRatt]

Well, you are a better driver than me and most, so you probably spend more time in the elite rooms and deal with this discussion on a more frequent basis.

Thanks for the kind words, they are appreciated but I'm really not all that good....just an average driver trying to find my way, that's all. If you look at this past years Academy results, you will see, just an average driver in the grand scheme of things.

 

[Otaliema]

Thanks for the kind words, they are appreciated but I'm really not all that good....just an average driver trying to find my way, that's all. If you look at this past years Academy results, you will see, just an average driver in the grand scheme of things.

132 in the USA is nothing to sneeze at Cargo. Means you where in the top 1300 world wide. That means your faster than 917,000 other racers that play this game. Your humbleness is refreshing, it's nice to know that t still exsists

But in regards to the ABS 0 bit. as for a abs 0 challenge, would it be a split group? or two tunes per tuner? So we can get a comparative set of results in the tunes as to which is "faster" I find personally that ABS is just a way to save the harder tires from getting turned to smoke. I do think there is another aid programmed in with it to improve stability.

I just poked around the results from the rest of the world for the regions, the only region you didn't place equal or better than the USA was Spain, move to India you would have been second. But your average ranking in other regions is about 75th. So I still say your a fast consistent driver

 

[Ridox2JZGTE]

In my opinion, yes, that is a very fair statement. It seems like most of those that choose to run with ABS 0 like to think that they are better than anyone else and come across like they are really doing something special. Its kinda like they look down upon those of use that do use ABS and it gets quite irritating at times reading some of this stuff that these people say. In my opinion, ABS 0 in this game is nowhere close to real life, regardless of what those that use it try to make others believe. Sure, it gives you a different type of challenge in the game, but that's the only thing it does. It doesn't make you any better than someone else who does use ABS. I get so sick and tired of seeing these people constantly reminding us that they are ABS 0 drivers and coming off like they are doing something special. Same goes for some of the ones that constantly remind everyone that they only use the clutch.

Sorry for the rant, but you asked @Otaliema Just giving you my point of view.

My apology if I have offended you , but I also wanted to say that ABS 0 is the closest you can get to driving without interruption from the game, whether it is realistic or not, still closer to being realistic than with brake assist on Ultimately, it's choice, a hard one to make that very few willing to commit, that may be the cause ABS 0 sounds "elitist", similar to comfort tires/lower grip tire crowd who wanted closer to real life performance in grip when they are replicating real life street/stock tires.

My garage also has different direction to most other garages here, I always aim to replicate the real stuff, from specs - weight distribution to suspension, tire and LSD, some of the replicas that aim to replicate real life lap times may be difficult to drive, but nothing is easy in real life driving I may be the only one who made a replica for MR2 AW11 on comfort hard , but it drives like a a dream for me at least

Next up, hint : 4 door FR on comfort medium replicating Tsukuba lap time set by "the professor" Nakaya Akihiko back in the late 90's.

 

[DolHaus]

Does anyone fancy lending a me a hand with testing some cars for a FITT contest group?

Toyota Sprinter Trueno GT-APEX (AE86) '83 VS. Honda Civic SiR -II (EG) '91 (Street class)
420PP, CS tyres, Fixed Ratio Trans only
Eiger Nordwand Short + Tsukuba

By my reckoning they are evenly matched (within an acceptable margin) but I could use some other opinions to confirm this

Thanks in advance 👍

 

[GTP_CargoRatt]

In my opinion, yes, that is a very fair statement. It seems like most of those that choose to run with ABS 0 like to think that they are better than anyone else and come across like they are really doing something special. Its kinda like they look down upon those of use that do use ABS and it gets quite irritating at times reading some of this stuff that these people say. In my opinion, ABS 0 in this game is nowhere close to real life, regardless of what those that use it try to make others believe. Sure, it gives you a different type of challenge in the game, but that's the only thing it does. It doesn't make you any better than someone else who does use ABS. I get so sick and tired of seeing these people constantly reminding us that they are ABS 0 drivers and coming off like they are doing something special. Same goes for some of the ones that constantly remind everyone that they only use the clutch.

Sorry for the rant, but you asked @Otaliema Just giving you my point of view.

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[NCRthree]

In my opinion, yes, that is a very fair statement. It seems like most of those that choose to run with ABS 0 like to think that they are better than anyone else and come across like they are really doing something special. Its kinda like they look down upon those of use that do use ABS and it gets quite irritating at times reading some of this stuff that these people say. In my opinion, ABS 0 in this game is nowhere close to real life, regardless of what those that use it try to make others believe. Sure, it gives you a different type of challenge in the game, but that's the only thing it does. It doesn't make you any better than someone else who does use ABS. I get so sick and tired of seeing these people constantly reminding us that they are ABS 0 drivers and coming off like they are doing something special. Same goes for some of the ones that constantly remind everyone that they only use the clutch.

Sorry for the rant, but you asked @Otaliema Just giving you my point of view.

Interesting comment. How do you know what other people are thinking? I can't.

I sure don't feel a superior person because of how I like to play a video game. I'm not that insecure!

The main reason I bother mentioning it in my posts is for someone who hasn't tried it may get turned on to it. Ridox, Amar and FordMKIV had enough intelligent and informative posts touting ABS OFF that I decided to give it a thorough try. That's how I found out some pointers on setting up my pedals and learning some proper braking techniques. I read these forums to get ideas on how to enjoy GT6 more and post for the same reason.

It does seem like anytime there are threads concerning driver aids and/or tire choices there are accusations of forum elitism. Good grief, if someone has to feel insecure about that it's their own problem not mine.

 

[GTP_CargoRatt]

Interesting comment. How do you know what other people are thinking? I can't.

I sure don't feel a superior person because of how I like to play a video game. I'm not that insecure!

The main reason I bother mentioning it in my posts is for someone who hasn't tried it may get turned on to it. Ridox, Amar and FordMKIV had enough intelligent and informative posts touting ABS OFF that I decided to give it a thorough try. That's how I found out some pointers on setting up my pedals and learning some proper braking techniques. I read these forums to get ideas on how to enjoy GT6 more and post for the same reason.

It does seem like anytime there are threads concerning driver aids and/or tire choices there are accusations of forum elitism. Good grief, if someone has to feel insecure about that it's their own problem not mine.

Just giving my opinion, that's all. Guilty conscience much? (jk) Your name never even crossed my mind when I made that post and gave my opinion, so you really didn't have to come here and defend yourself....you're good. 👍 Its people that continually remind everyone of their use of ABS 0 that irritates me, like they are always trying to make a statement or something.

Also, its quite interesting that you quote and question me about this when I was only replying to the question asked. What don't you pose the same question to the person that originally brought it up.

 

[Johnnypenso]

Hmm ABS 0 challenge sounds like fun. I've toyed with it but never went head first .
I'll just put this out there if there is anyone that wants to host an event but doesn't want to do the back end work, I'll do it.
I spend my days chasing two toddlers, so it's a nice way to work out my brain and I have the time to do it. Weekends are the only time I can't post or check regularly here.

I never paid attention to the ABS 0 crowd so I don't know the whole history of it, but sounds like the most vocal people where a bit "elitist" would that be a fair statement?

I don't think it would be a fair statement, no. People who race without ABS are enthusiastic about it for a reason, it can be a much more immersive way to enjoy the game with a wheel. There is simply no comparison in how engaged I feel when driving without ABS vs with ABS, it's literally like a completely different game. I am on my toes the entire lap and every braking zone is an adventure. With ABS you can simply mash the pedal anywhere and it has little effect on the car.

I have found most of the ABS0 advocates informative and positive, but like anyone else, if you challenge them on specific facts or positions, they'll defend themselves. I'd like to see a few examples of these so called "elitist" posts because I think the elitist viewpoint is often in the eye of the beholder.

 

[Otaliema]

I don't think it would be a fair statement, no. People who race without ABS are enthusiastic about it for a reason, it can be a much more immersive way to enjoy the game with a wheel. There is simply no comparison in how engaged I feel when driving without ABS vs with ABS, it's literally like a completely different game. I am on my toes the entire lap and every braking zone is an adventure. With ABS you can simply mash the pedal anywhere and it has little effect on the car.

I have found most of the ABS0 advocates informative and positive, but like anyone else, if you challenge them on specific facts or positions, they'll defend themselves. I'd like to see a few examples of these so called "elitist" posts because I think the elitist viewpoint is often in the eye of the beholder.

Fair enough, as I stated I have not had many run ins with the abs0 crowd, just making an observation based on comments in this thread and the few encounters I've had.
Example statements that I recall don't remember the users or threads tho;
"The car doesn't turn well"
"You develop loads of under steer with abs so therefore no abs is better"
"Abs is for those that don't know how to use break control"
"Abs makes the game too easy"
"Abs is not on real race cars so I won't use it"
"I use no aids therefore I am better" *attaduide of posts*

Even if these statments are the minority for abs0 drivers, and I'm sure several are true, they are the ones that people* remember and the way they are relayed can be interiptied as "I'm all that and a bag of chips" type of person.

*people being a general statments of anyone who has less than positive opinion of abs0 advocates.

I consider my self neutral. I do t care one way or another, if your preference is to use it or not use it great your choice, just don't push it on me. Sell it, pitch it, and drop it if asked.

 

[GTP_CargoRatt]

Fair enough, as I stated I have not had many run ins with the abs0 crowd, just making an observation based on comments in this thread and the few encounters I've had.
Example statements that I recall don't remember the users or threads tho;
"The car doesn't turn well"
"You develop loads of under steer with abs so therefore no abs is better"
"Abs is for those that don't know how to use break control"
"Abs makes the game too easy"
"Abs is not on real race cars so I won't use it"
"I use no aids therefore I am better" *attaduide of posts*

Even if these statments are the minority for abs0 drivers, and I'm sure several are true, they are the ones that people* remember and the way they are relayed can be interiptied as "I'm all that and a bag of chips" type of person.

*people being a general statments of anyone who has less than positive opinion of abs0 advocates.

I consider my self neutral. I do t care one way or another, if your preference is to use it or not use it great your choice, just don't push it on me. Sell it, pitch it, and drop it if asked.

I couldn't agree more, well said. 👍

 

[Woodski_427]

**Trying to get away from the ABS users argument, and back on to tuning**

The ABS comparison would be interesting, but difficult to do fairly. There is a pretty big learning curve when switching to ABS 0 and the braking techniques aren't really achievable with the standard face buttons IMO; I soon switched to triggers for brake and gas when using the DS3 and employed the 'Spongeball Brake Mod' for my DF Pro pedals. Without enlisting well-practiced testers, I think the results could end up being skewed.

I did a lot of no ABS driving in GT5, reverting back to ABS when I started playing online quite late on. I've only tried no ABS in GT6 when I saw this comparison idea the other day; I've just done the Beginner and Intermediate seasonals.

I'm not sure why @Ridox2JZGTE would specify those conditions for the setups, as I don't think that they would work for everyone (tuners and drivers). Particularly, I found high decel. diff settings could be a bit like hitting the handbrake, especially as I slowed and couldn't release the pressure accurately enough with the DS3 trigger. If the comparison was to work I would have thought more freedom would be necessary?

Not wanting to prolong the argument I will just say, I completely agree with @Johnnypenso about how no ABS makes it a different game, the cars are much more lively and it keeps you on your toes (rally driving really sees you dancing on the pedals ). As @NCRthree said, it is a bit of revelation. Braking zones can be completely different though, you have to watch out for bumps and rises for example, and it really taught me how to trail brake - before I tried it I would be on full brakes into the corner, often running wide or scrubbing off too much speed.

At my best in GT5 I was faster with no ABS than with on certain tracks I knew well, and I still remember the buzz of running Sarthe in the 787B and nailing the tricky braking into Indianapolis. I'm certainly going to get back into no ABS driving now I've had the taste.

 

[Ridox2JZGTE]

The conditions/limitation were made to highlight the differences in driving and tuning when ABS is not used If anyone who host the event later on want to give free reign, be my guest @Woodski_427, if you interested, I have updated my Spoon S2000 Demo Car replica with 3 sets of alignment based on real life setup, it's posted on the last page of my garage, it may be a good drive with no ABS for you as it has low PP at 456 I drove low 8minutes at the Green Hell on CS tire, ver 1.08 ( camber still reduces grip ) - aggressive track alignment setup. You may want to lower the BB to 2/2 as it has racing brakes, or use standard brakes instead, 5/5 would be good starting point.

 

[Motor City Hami]

I absolutely love the new numbers and the ability to paint the brake calipers in update 1.10. I am completely nerding out and painting a bunch of new cars.

 

[DolHaus]

I absolutely love the new numbers and the ability to paint the brake calipers in update 1.10. I am completely nerding out and painting a bunch of new cars.

Can you move the position of the numbers or are they fixed in place?

 

[Motor City Hami]

Can you move the position of the numbers or are they fixed in place?

Unfortunately fixed. You get six style of backgrounds to use and four number types. They do add them in a cool way, offset on the hood and on the rear bumper. A Ford GT40 looks so much better with numbers on a white circle background. I now know what my Boss 302 would look like with my number 51 on the side. The only other downer is that as soon as I added numbers, I wanted to add other livery, Hoosier stickers, SCCA Pro Racing, etc.

 

[DolHaus]

Unfortunately fixed. You get six style of backgrounds to use and four number types. They do add them in a cool way, offset on the hood and on the rear bumper. A Ford GT40 looks so much better with numbers on a white circle background. I now know what my Boss 302 would look like with my number 51 on the side. The only other downer is that as soon as I added numbers, I wanted to add other livery, Hoosier stickers, SCCA Pro Racing, etc.

Ahh ok, I figured it would be something like that. Not quite the livery editor the game is crying out for but definitely a step in the right direction 👍

 

[Ridox2JZGTE]

Does anyone fancy lending a me a hand with testing some cars for a FITT contest group?

Toyota Sprinter Trueno GT-APEX (AE86) '83 VS. Honda Civic SiR -II (EG) '91 (Street class)
420PP, CS tyres, Fixed Ratio Trans only
Eiger Nordwand Short + Tsukuba

By my reckoning they are evenly matched (within an acceptable margin) but I could use some other opinions to confirm this

Thanks in advance 👍

I have both cars built as replicas mainly tested at Tsukuba, the AE86 at mere 387PP and EG6 at 450PP, I can set them to 420PP The 450PP EG6 can easily do 1:06s at Tsukuba on CS with camber from real life alignment used, but it has body rigidity and real life weight distribution and I'm still stuck on 1.08 ... camber still broken. I'll give both cars some laps next time I play.

 

[DolHaus]

I have both cars built as replicas mainly tested at Tsukuba, the AE86 at mere 387PP and EG6 at 450PP, I can set them to 420PP The 450PP EG6 can easily do 1:06s at Tsukuba on CS with camber from real life alignment used, but it has body rigidity and real life weight distribution and I'm still stuck on 1.08 ... camber still broken. I'll give both cars some laps next time I play.

Thank you, I need to rerun them today as I've lost the bit of paper with the times.
I tested yesterday with all weight removed and S3 engine mods to bring them up to PP and they were remarkably close, within 0.3 over 15 laps. I think they would be pretty much identical if the AE86 didn't have such an open diff in stock form.
I tried to use the 1500 3door civic of the same year but the engine just didn't have any power on the hills and ended up much slower every time so I decided the EG was probably the best way forward.

 

[Pete05]

I absolutely love the new numbers and the ability to paint the brake calipers in update 1.10. I am completely nerding out and painting a bunch of new cars.

Go nuts Hami just make sure you're happy with your wheels.
There's a problem where if you paint the calipers then try to change the rims, the console freezes. Gotta love an update with a sneaky bug attached

 

[Lionheart2113]

Go nuts Hami just make sure you're happy with your wheels.
There's a problem where if you paint the calipers then try to change the rims, the console freezes. Gotta love an update with a sneaky bug attached

And you have to buy racing brakes...but is there really a difference worth mentioning?

 

[Pete05]

And you have to buy racing brakes...but is there really a difference worth mentioning?

Purely cosmetic bling for the eyes only.
Anything else will, no doubt, be posted in the 1.10 undocumented changes thread.

 

[Woodski_427]

I tried to use the 1500 3door civic of the same year but the engine just didn't have any power on the hills and ended up much slower every time so I decided the EG was probably the best way forward.

Given the way the PP works I often add weight to older/lighter cars so I can install more power to the PP level. Chances are, though, you will never be on equal footing with something that started off much faster.

 

[DolHaus]

Given the way the PP works I often add weight to older/lighter cars so I can install more power to the PP level. Chances are, though, you will never be on equal footing with something that started off much faster.

I tried it in a few different power/weight levels and it just couldn't keep up, they were of the same year and only 10pp difference in stock form so I though it would be ideal but it the void in performance was too great so I switched to the early EG and I think that fixed it in terms of balancing 👍

 

[GTP_CargoRatt]

Go nuts Hami just make sure you're happy with your wheels.
There's a problem where if you paint the calipers then try to change the rims, the console freezes. Gotta love an update with a sneaky bug attached

That's already been fixed earlier this morning with a hotfix, its no longer an issue.

 

[Ridox2JZGTE]

Thank you, I need to rerun them today as I've lost the bit of paper with the times.
I tested yesterday with all weight removed and S3 engine mods to bring them up to PP and they were remarkably close, within 0.3 over 15 laps. I think they would be pretty much identical if the AE86 didn't have such an open diff in stock form.
I tried to use the 1500 3door civic of the same year but the engine just didn't have any power on the hills and ended up much slower every time so I decided the EG was probably the best way forward.

I'm not sure if my test run would be really useful, both of the cars are replica and not tuned for outright time trial champ I'm running on 1.08, meaning camber still broken. Both AE86 and EG6 has camber, replica LSD ( medium preload and high lock ).

Here are the basic specs :
420PP, CS tire, no aids, test drive offline, Tsukuba, grip real, 1st lap run wonder

AE86 based on Nishizao SPL AE86 Levin GT Apex driven by Dori Dori on Drift Bible The replica posted the 1st page of my garage, there are some changes made to fit 420PP and I decided to use stock real life weight distribution instead of the actual Nishizao AE86 car distribution ( tuned for drift practice ). Suspension and 2 way LSD are untouched - same as replica, 2.4 front camber and 0.0 rear camber. NO body rigidity installed.

203HP, 170 torque, 950kg, 55/45 weight distribution ( using stock AE86 specs ) High RPM Turbo + Racing Exhaust, close ratio 5 speed transmission, twin plate clutch and carbon drive shaft. 6/8 BB on standard brakes. 1st lap - 1:07.920, with low 16.2s 1st sector, 99mph trap speed on 1st corner entry braking and 104mph at last corner.



Civic EG6 SiR '91 fitted with J's Racing CRUX Racing Coilover and 1.5 way LSD, factory alignment. The car has not been posted on my garage, built a few weeks ago The car has been detuned to 420PP. Body Ridigity installed on this car. Front camber 1.0 and rear camber 1.3

223HP, 161 torque, 1080kg, 62/38 weight distribution ( real life spec ) High RPM Turbo + Racing Exhaust, close ratio 5 speed transmission, twin plate clutch. 7/9 BB on standard brakes. 1st lap - 1:08.015, with low 16.2s 1st sector, 100mph trap speed on 1st corner entry braking and 105mph at last corner.

Both car has camber, with the EG6 at 1.0/1.3, grip are slightly reduced on both ends, while the AE86 has 2.4/0.0, where front has more grip reduced while the rear do not. Both cars still can maintain very close lap performance, from sector time, to highest speed on 1st and last corner braking.

The AE86 has slightly less braking power, but overall more agile around corners requiring some throttle control on lower speed exit, while the EG6 with FWD layout can be more stable and more forgiving on exit.

I only have short play time, didn't have a chance to post my work , spent about 15 minutes setting up and ran about 2-3 laps on each car. I saved the best lap replay ( 1st lap run ) if you are interested, I can upload them here.

 

[DolHaus]

I'm not sure if my test run would be really useful, both of the cars are replica and not tuned for outright time trial champ I'm running on 1.08, meaning camber still broken. Both AE86 and EG6 has camber, replica LSD ( medium preload and high lock ).

Here are the basic specs :
420PP, CS tire, no aids, test drive offline, Tsukuba, grip real, 1st lap run wonder

AE86 based on Nishizao SPL AE86 Levin GT Apex driven by Dori Dori on Drift Bible The replica posted the 1st page of my garage, there are some changes made to fit 420PP and I decided to use stock real life weight distribution instead of the actual Nishizao AE86 car distribution ( tuned for drift practice ). Suspension and 2 way LSD are untouched - same as replica, 2.4 front camber and 0.0 rear camber. NO body rigidity installed.

203HP, 170 torque, 950kg, 55/45 weight distribution ( using stock AE86 specs ) High RPM Turbo + Racing Exhaust, close ratio 5 speed transmission, twin plate clutch and carbon drive shaft. 6/8 BB on standard brakes. 1st lap - 1:07.920, with low 16.2s 1st sector, 99mph trap speed on 1st corner entry braking and 104mph at last corner.



Civic EG6 SiR '91 fitted with J's Racing CRUX Racing Coilover and 1.5 way LSD, factory alignment. The car has not been posted on my garage, built a few weeks ago The car has been detuned to 420PP. Body Ridigity installed on this car. Front camber 1.0 and rear camber 1.3

223HP, 161 torque, 1080kg, 62/38 weight distribution ( real life spec ) High RPM Turbo + Racing Exhaust, close ratio 5 speed transmission, twin plate clutch. 7/9 BB on standard brakes. 1st lap - 1:08.015, with low 16.2s 1st sector, 100mph trap speed on 1st corner entry braking and 105mph at last corner.

Both car has camber, with the EG6 at 1.0/1.3, grip are slightly reduced on both ends, while the AE86 has 2.4/0.0, where front has more grip reduced while the rear do not. Both cars still can maintain very close lap performance, from sector time, to highest speed on 1st and last corner braking.

The AE86 has slightly less braking power, but overall more agile around corners requiring some throttle control on lower speed exit, while the EG6 with FWD layout can be more stable and more forgiving on exit.

I only have short play time, didn't have a chance to post my work , spent about 15 minutes setting up and ran about 2-3 laps on each car. I saved the best lap replay ( 1st lap run ) if you are interested, I can upload them here.

Thanks for testing
From the looks of it they're fairly equal with a tune applied, both have their own advantages/disadvantages but they end up fairly balanced overall. Would you agree with this statement?

 

[Ridox2JZGTE]

Thanks for testing
From the looks of it they're fairly equal with a tune applied, both have their own advantages/disadvantages but they end up fairly balanced overall. Would you agree with this statement?

I would say yes, both cars that I tested have not been changed from their actual tune ( suspension and LSD ), I only altered the power to fit 420PP and distribution on the AE86 - so I don't favor any of them. In the end, they drive in similar pace on 5 speed transmission. The AE86 I think has slightly weaker brakes and needs the carbon drive shaft to help with acceleration and throttle response. I also think that the FR layout helped the AE86 to even the performance.

 

[DolHaus]

I would say yes, both cars that I tested have not been changed from their actual tune ( suspension and LSD ), I only altered the power to fit 420PP and distribution on the AE86 - so I don't favor any of them. In the end, they drive in similar pace on 5 speed transmission. The AE86 I think has slightly weaker brakes and needs the carbon drive shaft to help with acceleration and throttle response. I also think that the FR layout helped the AE86 to even the performance.

Sounds similar to my findings running with just the upgraded power/weight options (Stock suspension/LSD), I found the Civic to be slightly quicker and more refined in that form but I felt the AE86 would easily be equal if the stock LSD didn't keep lighting up the inside wheel on exit. If tuned I believe they would both end up with equally competitive and comparative performance 👍

 

[JogoAsobi]

In my opinion, yes, that is a very fair statement. It seems like most of those that choose to run with ABS 0 like to think that they are better than anyone else and come across like they are really doing something special. Its kinda like they look down upon those of use that do use ABS and it gets quite irritating at times reading some of this stuff that these people say. In my opinion, ABS 0 in this game is nowhere close to real life, regardless of what those that use it try to make others believe. Sure, it gives you a different type of challenge in the game, but that's the only thing it does. It doesn't make you any better than someone else who does use ABS. I get so sick and tired of seeing these people constantly reminding us that they are ABS 0 drivers and coming off like they are doing something special. Same goes for some of the ones that constantly remind everyone that they only use the clutch.

Sorry for the rant, but you asked @Otaliema Just giving you my point of view.

First of all, please excuse the OT excursion, but I feel this has to be addressed.
Someone brought this to my attention tonight, in particular the part I underlined ^.

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ABS 0 and clutch in same rant, so I take it I am probably the target.
Just to clarify a few things here as it seems that my posts are mis-interpreted as arrogant.

1) I have never stated that I believe ABS 0 is more realistic on any GTP thread discussion.

2) I have never participated in any GTP thread discussions regarding realism of driving aids.
Other then to say PD set the rules by making them available, so I find no fault using/not using.

3) I have done 0 ABS since back in GT5 because it felt more natural to me, nothing else.

4) I frequently post that I use ABS 0, the reason for this is to provide a reference point.
Reason: Big pet peeve here is that I have no way of putting a lot of posts into context
on GTP because often nothing is posted other than either a time or result for an event.
Were they on wheel? controller? assists used? So I always post mine.

5) Regarding the clutch, yes, I have frequently posted I use the clutch...
...reason is in case there are other clutch users out there because of its bad rep in GT5/GT6.

6) A few seasonal threads ago I even started creating dedicated clutch thread...
...reason for that is so that I could compete against my FR LB pals who also use clutch...
...and still be able to do paddles for same TTs too.

7) So if I have offended anyone or have come across as arrogant, that was never intended.

8) I can't tune, I am not alien, I will never have the time to devote to GT6 like @GTP_CargoRatt does.
So a few months ago, I started to do the Seasonal threads as a way to contribute something.
The bulk of my posts regarding 0 ABS, clutch use have been on those threads.

9) I am surprised by the tone of the commentary to be honest.
I can only surmise that it might have something to do with this Panorama Seasonal thread.
This post pretty much encapsulated it, but I invite you all to trawl the thread for full effect.

I think this has put the nail in the coffin for me as far doing future Seasonal threads, & prob. GTP.

 

[iainoflo85]

I think this has put the nail in the coffin for me as far doing future Seasonal threads, & prob. GTP.

Ignore list was made for that, jogo.

Please don't stop doing your fantastic seasonal stuff because of one user on these forums.