FITT - Federation of International Tuners and Test-Drivers

[luv2drive]

I challenge @praiano63 on my favorite track, Silverstone, in any FR car because that is what I tune best, and pick @biffa3 and @Ronald6 as the test drivers because they seem to have similar driving styles as me. Is this fair or am I tilting things too much to my favor?

By the way, I really respect @praiano63 but it is good in racing to have that one competitor who continues to push your abilities. I have always had one of these through my racing career and praiano63 is mine in GT6.

I've been running around the tracks here every once in a while since GT5, and not being an accomplished tuner myself, it has been wonderful to have some great tunes by both @Motor City Hami and @praiano63 to make the experience of GT5/6 more enjoyable.

There many great tuners on the site, but you two are definitely two of the best, so this sounds like lots of fun and I'd love to participate as a tester if/when this happens.

 

[Motor City Hami]

With the scale of the current competition, eight cars, four tracks, sixteen tuners, I think we need to give the test drivers a bit of a break. For my Ford challenge I was thinking about narrowing it down to one car per class.

2013 Ford Focus ST
2013 Mustang Shelby GT500
2005 Ford GT

Question for the community and more specifically the test drivers. Would you prefer that all classes use the non-adjustable gearbox? Does that save a ton of time during testing? Do the tuners see the gearbox as their way to find advantage? Would you miss it much if it were limited?

 

[Ronald6]

I doubt I'll tune, but as a tester I find it annoying but rewarding. A good gearbox can make up alot of time, especially when tuned for the track.

My vote: Full Custom.

Also: whats happening with the Caterham battle. You got my hopes up then... fizzle.

 

[Otaliema]

@Motor City Hami being a tuner tester, here is my 2 cents.
Not setting the gear box has saved me a bunch if time on the cars I've tested and a good bit of cash.
I see a difference in the way the car handles but it's not a big difference for these cars.
Being a tuner not having a transmission to build feels a bit limited I can't set up the gears for the track/car to get the most out of the car.

The gearbox is a bit of a hit and miss in a tight comp it can be the difference between 1st and 3rd, but it also depends on the car tires pp level and track. If the pp, and tires match up and the track suites the fear box than little is gained with a FCT is there is a miss match someplace the FCT can make a big difference in handling and time.

 

[Pete05]

With the scale of the current competition, eight cars, four tracks, sixteen tuners, I think we need to give the test drivers a bit of a break. For my Ford challenge I was thinking about narrowing it down to one car per class.

2013 Ford Focus ST
2013 Mustang Shelby GT500
2005 Ford GT

Question for the community and more specifically the test drivers. Would you prefer that all classes use the non-adjustable gearbox? Does that save a ton of time during testing? Do the tuners see the gearbox as their way to find advantage? Would you miss it much if it were limited?

IMO, the FC gearbox is extra money & work that can be avoided if that element is fixed. Unless the standard ratios are so mismatched for the track in use, I'd prefer to not have to worry about it.
I can see some tuners being unhappy about that but it puts more emphasis on the other tuneable items such as suspension/diff/brakes, will close up the competition & make for a closer contest.
My personal preference is for the transmission wizardry to be left for full on racecars. After all, they come with that fitted already so it's no extra spend.
If it rolled off the production line or showroom floor, stick with the standard gearbox.

The biggest influence to my testing or not is, number 1, track choice followed by tyre choice. You won't see me testing unless it's at a real circuit & I always prefer tyres from the Sports category for road cars or Racing for racing cars.

 

[CyKosis1973]

Regarding gearboxes, you will have to ensure that the car, track and PP will not exceed the limits of the gearbox in order to mandate the use of close-ratio boxes. I don't mind so much, I used to deliberately build cars without the FC 'box, because it improved the aural aspect of the car. However, if you want to get the most out of a car, then you have to use an FC 'box, I think it's all contextual. Dolhaus' current event is a good case and example, low PP, use close-ratio 'boxes, high PP, use FC 👍

Regarding helping out testers, I'd suggest that we try to organise events whereby the end products can be used by the testers (and wider community) to compete in the Seasonal Events and give them an opportunity to scrape some Credits back. That or we all rock up at Polyphony's office and ask them why the hell they thought it was a good idea to take away the ability to share cars...

{Cy}

 

[brian wolf]

As a tuner and tester I`m with @CyKosis1973 on the subject of gearboxes.👍 (thanks for adding my 2p for me!) Most of all I want to end up with fast tunes that are not track specific.

 

[Motor City Hami]

So this maybe:

Tuners can pick any two classes.

2013 Ford Focus ST
No oil change or engine rebuild
Comfort Soft Tires
Rims Standard Size only
450 PP
Six Speed Transmission non-adjustable (because the stock box is odd)

2013 Mustang Shelby GT500
No oil change or engine rebuild
Sport Soft Tires
575 PP
Fully Customized Transmission

2005 Ford GT
No oil change or engine rebuild
Racing Hard Tires
650 PP
Fully Customized Transmission

 

[DolHaus]

So this maybe:

Tuners can pick any two classes.

2013 Ford Focus ST
Comfort Soft Tires
450 PP
Six Speed Transmission non-adjustable (because the stock box is odd)

2013 Mustang Shelby GT500
Sport Medium Tires
600 PP
Fully Customized Transmission

2005 Ford GT
Sport Soft Tires
650 PP
Fully Customized Transmission

Perfect 👍

 

[brian wolf]

So this maybe:

Tuners can pick any two classes.

2013 Ford Focus ST
Comfort Soft Tires
450 PP
Six Speed Transmission non-adjustable (because the stock box is odd)

2013 Mustang Shelby GT500
Sport Medium Tires
600 PP
Fully Customized Transmission

2005 Ford GT
Sport Soft Tires
650 PP
Fully Customized Transmission

Looks good!👍 Just to let you know tho, I`ve just thrown together a GT500 at 600pp and its 839bhp! On SM tyres it might be a bit of a handful.

 

[Motor City Hami]

Looks good!👍 Just to let you know tho, I`ve just thrown together a GT500 at 600pp and its 839bhp! On SM tyres it might be a bit of a handful.

We could just go maxed out at around 1,000 hp. 💡

 

[DolHaus]

Oh god....

 

[brian wolf]

Oh god....

Indeed!

We could just go maxed out at around 1,000 hp. 💡

It`ll sort the men from the boys, That`s for sure!
I`ve thrown a basic tune on it and 600pp on SM is probably ok as long as there is not too many tight corners and straight long enough to make the most of the gearbox. GVS/apricot hill both drivable(just!)

 

[Otaliema]

Looks good!👍 Just to let you know tho, I`ve just thrown together a GT500 at 600pp and its 839bhp! On SM tyres it might be a bit of a handful.

We could just go maxed out at around 1,000 hp. 💡

Both sound like fun but would need new tires if we maxed it out I don't think sport tires and a 1000 hp mix.... Unless we want a best crash pic challenge
850hp on SM tires sounds a like good challenge to build. Transmission would be important there long gears with a "lower" top speed

 

[xande1959]

So this maybe:

Tuners can pick any two classes.

2013 Ford Focus ST
Comfort Soft Tires
450 PP
Six Speed Transmission non-adjustable (because the stock box is odd)

2013 Mustang Shelby GT500
Sport Medium Tires
600 PP
Fully Customized Transmission

2005 Ford GT
Sport Soft Tires
650 PP
Fully Customized Transmission

good choice of cars which circuits will be designed for this event by Ford, I have prepared a car for daytona road circuit.

-

 

[brian wolf]

I forgot about the flat floor option. With FF installed I`m having to power limit from stock(661bhp) to 626bhp. Could make it interesting?
626bhp with flat floor at 600pp
839bhp no flat floor at 600pp
BTW all figures are with full weight reduction

 

[Otaliema]

I forgot about the flat floor option. With FF installed I`m having to power limit from stock(661bhp) to 626bhp. Could make it interesting?
626bhp with flat floor at 600pp
839bhp no flat floor at 600pp
BTW all figures are with full weight reduction

That much hp drop won't be made up in the corners unless it's a short track where top speed is not as important.

 

[biffa3]

With the scale of the current competition, eight cars, four tracks, sixteen tuners, I think we need to give the test drivers a bit of a break. For my Ford challenge I was thinking about narrowing it down to one car per class.

2013 Ford Focus ST
2013 Mustang Shelby GT500
2005 Ford GT

Question for the community and more specifically the test drivers. Would you prefer that all classes use the non-adjustable gearbox? Does that save a ton of time during testing? Do the tuners see the gearbox as their way to find advantage? Would you miss it much if it were limited?

Whilst buidling a box can be a pain in the backside with the slider going from one side to the next, it only takes as long as suspension to set up providing how to set it up is clearly stated in the tune submission.

 

[Bowtie-muscle]

Took my GT500 out for a spin today, 600pp is a beast. However, wanted to know if any one else encountered this issue. When setting gear ratios on custom trans while in Arcade mode, the system would freeze every time I tried to adjust 3rd gear! After 3 attempts, I tried from the settings section of my garage and had no problem. Any one have a clue?

 

[Motor City Hami]

Took my GT500 out for a spin today, 600pp is a beast. However, wanted to know if any one else encountered this issue. When setting gear ratios on custom trans while in Arcade mode, the system would freeze every time I tried to adjust 3rd gear! After 3 attempts, I tried from the settings section of my garage and had no problem. Any one have a clue?

Have not had that glitch.

I built my GT500 last night but ran out of time to drive it. 600 pp and sport med may be too much for this car. Will change it to sport soft tires and maybe 575 pp?

 

[CyKosis1973]

Have not had that glitch.

I built my GT500 last night but ran out of time to drive it. 600 pp and sport med may be too much for this car. Will change it to sport soft tires and maybe 575 pp?

Wow Must be bad!! I don't intend going anywhere near 600PP, let alone 575PP, so it's really up to you. All I will say is that I used to go by the tyre selection that @CSLACR used in GT5 for his Nordy Leader board. 600PP would have been RH tyres by that scale. I know GT5 and GT6 are different beasts, but I thought his selection was logical and reasonable. In GT6 I can run 500PP on SH quite comfortably, once I get up to 550PP, I feel like I'm needing SM. I've only ventured once above that and had to resort to SS, just so I didn't ruin a perfectly decent pair of shorts.

I'm only one voice amongst many, but I suspect most people will think yours carries enough authority to warrant an adjustment to PP and tyre selection 👍

{Cy}

 

[Bowtie-muscle]

Have not had that glitch.

I built my GT500 last night but ran out of time to drive it. 600 pp and sport med may be too much for this car. Will change it to sport soft tires and maybe 575 pp?

I have had that before on a car or two but always worked the second time, this time it was every time so I gave up and set it elsewhere. Weird.

Th GT500 was a fresh one, did back it down to 585pp, still a handful but slightly manageable, reminded me of my FITT Viper so I only played around with it briefly. Pulled a previously tuned GT500 with Flat Floor at 600pp out and did a few quick laps. Should I tell you if the lap times were slower or faster .

@CyKosis1973 have you tried the recent FITT MR2s on CM? They can be delightful, but be warned to pay your life insurance first.

 

[Motor City Hami]

Th GT500 was a fresh one, did back it down to 585pp, still a handful but slightly manageable, reminded me of my FITT Viper so I only played around with it briefly. Pulled a previously tuned GT500 with Flat Floor at 600pp out and did a few quick laps. Should I tell you if the lap times were slower or faster .

For the Shelby Mustang GT 500, sport soft and 575 pp feels about right. This forces the tuner to choose between losing weight and adding power or a light mix of both. Also, I think I am banning flat floors to make things easier on the test drivers.

The Mustang Shelby actually turns fairly well. I was quite surprised.

 

[CyKosis1973]

@CyKosis1973 have you tried the recent FITT MR2s on CM? They can be delightful, but be warned to pay your life insurance first.

I haven't tried any of them slippery suckers yet. I've always found them to be a bit like 'cute' cats offering their bellies up for a stroke, you know the damned-hell-spawn creatures are going to lacerate your hands after 30 seconds

{Cy}

 

[nijalninja]

I haven't tried any of them slippery suckers yet. I've always found them to be a bit like 'cute' cats offering their bellies up for a stroke, you know the damned-hell-spawn creatures are going to lacerate your hands after 30 seconds

{Cy}

That is why I choose the nice and peaceful AE 86, which compared to the MR2's are like a friendly abandoned puppies.

 

[Rooky Balboa]

Hi

Here is how I think it might work:-


Tuners sign up on the last week of a month

Entry lasts 1 month

There will be 4 cars at set specification (PP/Tires etc.) per month

A tuner can call enter into 4 battles per month, this will be done by a "call out"

Tuners may only enter one contest at a time and must tune all 4 cars.

The two parties involved will agree on a car, time limit (< 1 week), a track and a third party to test (can be more than one person).

3 points for a win, 1 for a draw, 0 for a loss

A draw condition can be set by tuners if desired (ie. cars must be within 0.4 secs)

Failure to produce a tune by agreed deadline is an instant loss

Hi DolHaus,

I don't post much on here but often browse through as the comps etc are fun to watch and often result in good tunes to try out for the casual driver :-)

I love your idea of a car wars, but thought rather than a league if points system, why not set up a squash ladder type system?

That way people won't need to match like for like with frequency of tuning, so long as they win the battles they participate in then they will move up the rankings.

Perhaps something along the lines anyone can challenge up to 3 positions above you on the table. Challenger picks from one of the month's cars, to give the advantage to the lower placed driver?

Some rules on how many challenges you can make in a row before you have to wait to be challenged by someone. Maybe also a wild card system where by if you win 3 contests in a row you can challenge anyone in the ladder regardless of how much higher on the ladder they are.

Alternatively you get awarded points for winning against someone who has challenged you, and you can save these up to challenge people further up the ladder than you. Eg. You successfully beat 3 people in a row who have challenged you, 2 points per win, means you can challenge anyone upto six positions above you, at a cost of 1 point per position. Everyone gets a quota of points per month to allow consistent losers to remain in the league..

This is quite literally a brain dump so please feel free to pick up and use or drop any of the mumbo jumbo I have just written!

 

[DolHaus]

Hi


Hi DolHaus,

I don't post much on here but often browse through as the comps etc are fun to watch and often result in good tunes to try out for the casual driver :-)

I love your idea of a car wars, but thought rather than a league if points system, why not set up a squash ladder type system?

That way people won't need to match like for like with frequency of tuning, so long as they win the battles they participate in then they will move up the rankings.

Perhaps something along the lines anyone can challenge up to 3 positions above you on the table. Challenger picks from one of the month's cars, to give the advantage to the lower placed driver?

Some rules on how many challenges you can make in a row before you have to wait to be challenged by someone. Maybe also a wild card system where by if you win 3 contests in a row you can challenge anyone in the ladder regardless of how much higher on the ladder they are.

Alternatively you get awarded points for winning against someone who has challenged you, and you can save these up to challenge people further up the ladder than you. Eg. You successfully beat 3 people in a row who have challenged you, 2 points per win, means you can challenge anyone upto six positions above you, at a cost of 1 point per position. Everyone gets a quota of points per month to allow consistent losers to remain in the league..

This is quite literally a brain dump so please feel free to pick up and use or drop any of the mumbo jumbo I have just written!

The ladder system was how I originally wanted to do it but unfortunately there are a few problems with the logistics and a league system is the only effective solution. The main problem is that not everyone is going to be able to compete constantly because of jobs and other commitments, the list of tuners would grow constantly and not all would be active and so the ranking would be full of problems.
Having tuners sign up for a month at a time means that the list is constantly refreshed and easier to mange, records will be kept of monthly winners and that will be arranged into a separate ranking table over time. Once an order is established it might be possible to look at a ladder system but until then it needs to be a simplified system

 

[Beeblebrox237]

Right, I'm not really sure if there's any formalities I need to go through, but I'd like to "join" FITT. I've been a GTP member for nearly 3 years now and have always been impressed with FITT's competitions and the organisation as a whole. Sadly, I've not had the time to join until now. I'm now at uni and I've gotten my hands on a PS3 and a copy of GT6. I've been posting tunes quite recently, some of you may have seen them in the database. I came here because I'd like to start participating in events, as well as joining some of your rooms online to further test my tunes. And of course, I'm really looking forward to having other people test my tunes comprehensively and give good, detailed feedback.

 

[Bowtie-muscle]

Right, I'm not really sure if there's any formalities I need to go through, but I'd like to "join" FITT. I've been a GTP member for nearly 3 years now and have always been impressed with FITT's competitions and the organisation as a whole. Sadly, I've not had the time to join until now. I'm now at uni and I've gotten my hands on a PS3 and a copy of GT6. I've been posting tunes quite recently, some of you may have seen them in the database. I came here because I'd like to start participating in events, as well as joining some of your rooms online to further test my tunes. And of course, I'm really looking forward to having other people test my tunes comprehensively and give good, detailed feedback.

Just keep your eyes open for the next challenge and sign up, no formalities, simple. Post that you will tune or test, submit a tune before the deadline. Always welcome to join in.

 

[CyKosis1973]

Right, I'm not really sure if there's any formalities I need to go through, but I'd like to "join" FITT. I've been a GTP member for nearly 3 years now and have always been impressed with FITT's competitions and the organisation as a whole. Sadly, I've not had the time to join until now. I'm now at uni and I've gotten my hands on a PS3 and a copy of GT6. I've been posting tunes quite recently, some of you may have seen them in the database. I came here because I'd like to start participating in events, as well as joining some of your rooms online to further test my tunes. And of course, I'm really looking forward to having other people test my tunes comprehensively and give good, detailed feedback.

Just keep your eyes open for the next challenge and sign up, no formalities, simple. Post that you will tune or test, submit a tune before the deadline. Always welcome to join in.

Woah, woah, woah, wait a minute. What do you mean there's no sign up or formalities? Bring me my toolbag, he can undergo the same initiation everyone else has. Think I'm gonna start with the mole grips this time

Joking aside, just throw your cap in @Beeblebrox237, fresh blood is always welcome

{Cy}