FITT - Federation of International Tuners and Test-Drivers
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There was a reason MCH made a Clueless rule back in GT5Only you would remember those, cool choice.👍👍
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@Motor City Hami I like the sound of the challenge idea you have, I do have one request though. You did tune for the Blind challenge and had to use the template to post your tune, what did you think of the idea? @biffa3 liked it as did I as it made it easier to build the tunes for testing. Not saying you should use the same one, but maybe consider doing the same idea? Perhaps take a poll of the other testers and get their feedback on whether or not they thought it helped.
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Long/short
Back when we started, we could share cars, so there was no "set" cars list. Some of the most memorable were the 600pp super cars around Indy, most went with Ferraris, Lambos, R8s... I tuned a 300c
. Or 400pp cars around the Ring... I picked the Aventime (SP?). I never finished last (until GT6), and even won two/three shootouts. This led to MCH hosting a set list of cars for a shootout, and if anyone was daring to take the underdogs would get a bonus (Clueless rule). Of course I took the challenge and finished second to last, I believe. I love the odd, challenging cars/vans. Maybe someday I'll take a top contender to see what I can do 
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Sounds like a fun challengeLong/short
Back when we started, we could share cars, so there was no "set" cars list. Some of the most memorable were the 600pp super cars around Indy, most went with Ferraris, Lambos, R8s... I tuned a 300c
I've been debating one similar to that for a while.
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F.I.T.T. Rally and Street Tuner Challenge by MCH
The Clueless Rule: As an incentive to enter the older or below PP car pairings, I have created the Clueless Rule. Enter the Nissan 69 Bluebirds or the Lancer 1600 GSR '74s and get an automatic two bonus points for being that crazy. The only way to make these two cars competitive in this challenge is to make it worth taking the risk. Four other car pairings will also present a tough tuning challenge so these four will receive one bonus point from the start; Lancia Stratos Rally/Stratos 73, Mitsubishi Starion/Lancer EX 1800, Nissan 240RS/Silvia 240RS and the Renault 5 Maxi/5 Turbo 80.
https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/threads/f-i-t-t-rally-and-street-tuner-challenge-by-mch.260406/
It was a total guess at the bonus points. I wish I would have made it more bonus points. So do I need to find a Clueless pairing for this one?
Ps. @krenkme came back a few shootouts later in the FITT Tuner Car Shootout and scored a 2nd place on the podium.
The Clueless Rule: As an incentive to enter the older or below PP car pairings, I have created the Clueless Rule. Enter the Nissan 69 Bluebirds or the Lancer 1600 GSR '74s and get an automatic two bonus points for being that crazy. The only way to make these two cars competitive in this challenge is to make it worth taking the risk. Four other car pairings will also present a tough tuning challenge so these four will receive one bonus point from the start; Lancia Stratos Rally/Stratos 73, Mitsubishi Starion/Lancer EX 1800, Nissan 240RS/Silvia 240RS and the Renault 5 Maxi/5 Turbo 80.
https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/threads/f-i-t-t-rally-and-street-tuner-challenge-by-mch.260406/
It was a total guess at the bonus points. I wish I would have made it more bonus points. So do I need to find a Clueless pairing for this one?
Ps. @krenkme came back a few shootouts later in the FITT Tuner Car Shootout and scored a 2nd place on the podium.
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I thought that was a brilliant idea. That should probably become a FITT standard.
I am also considering limiting to just the six speed non-adjustable gearbox on the hatchback class. I find that this is the area that takes the most amount of time when changing between tunes. Thoughts?
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- Otaliema
I agree on the tune sheet template that made building so much easier..
As for the transmission if you have two or three cars that are equal in terms of suspension LSD and ballast tuning, the transmission build will be the deciding factor on the cars, having matching transmission leaves it more to chance on lap time from the testers, all it would take would be one good lap time from one tester or one not as good lap time from one tester to shift the podium around entirely.
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Would we do only one group or all 3? 6 cars to tune seems a lot
, well for me that is .
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When testing I really don't mind setting up the transmission, checked with a stop watch and it took me 1:10 without trying to go fast. As a tuner I like to be able to try things out to make the car faster, and transmission settings can give you an edge so why not use them.
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Thanks, I think the one I created is pretty good and can easily be edited to suit any challenge. If someone or you have a better one, I say let's try it for another challenge. I do believe it eliminates a ton of questions about the tune and less errors in building. The only issue is translation or a typo be the tuner. For the Duel class, there was only one issue in trans setup and it was easily corrected, before I posted all the tunes I checked and corrected typos.
The only possible change I can think of is to put the transmission info at the end of the form, seeing as it's the last thing to be set up, and is agreed that it needs to be done after power upgrades have been applied.
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I think we should try to include something similar to the Clueless rule in future challenges, I try to go with the underdog in the challenges too. Ex. 2007 Ford Mustang V8 GT.
O.k. So if I add two minivans to the competition, I will tune them against what I think is the fastest set of cars and estimate what I think the lap time difference would be. Is everyone ok with this method. It would basically compare my tuning ability of the best set against my tuning ability against the Clueless selection. Do you think that would give the vehicle a fair chance to be in the top spot without making it an overdog?
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I don't think it would become an overdog in the challenege if you actually tune all the cars as you would if you were entering them. I know it takes a little more time but that is I think the only way to get a representative lap time difference. Maybe have a couple of other drivers take them for some laps to see if the average holds true.
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FITT Old and New
Tuner picks a pair. Lap times are averaged between the two cars.
Front Drive Hatch Backs - Old 400 PP and New 450 PP on Comfort Soft Tires
Fiat 500 F '65 and 500 1.2 8V Lounge SS '08
Ford Focus ST170 '03 and ST '13
Honda Civic 1500 3 door 25i '83 and Civic Type R (EP) '04
Honda CRX SiR '90 and CR-Z @ '10
Mini Cooper 1.3i '98 and Cooper S '11
Peugeot 206 S16 '99 and 207 GTi '07
VW Golf I Gti '76 and Golf Gti '05
Clueless Rule: PP is TBD
Honda Life Step Van '72 and Odyssey '03
Honda Insight '99 and Insight LS '09
Toyota Prius G (j) '02 and Prius G '09
Performance Class - Old 450 PP Comfort Soft and New 550 PP Sport Soft
BMW 507 '57 and Z8 '01
BMW 2002 Turbo '73 and M3 Coupe '07
Ferarri 512 BB '76 and 458 Italia '09
Mercedes-Benz 300 SL '54 and SLS AMG '10
The Honda Odyssey is 4wd, so I am not sure that I am going to allow it. I will have to test it first. On the other hand, the Life Step Van maxes out at 421 PP with all parts and an oil change.
Tuner picks a pair. Lap times are averaged between the two cars.
Front Drive Hatch Backs - Old 400 PP and New 450 PP on Comfort Soft Tires
Fiat 500 F '65 and 500 1.2 8V Lounge SS '08
Ford Focus ST170 '03 and ST '13
Honda Civic 1500 3 door 25i '83 and Civic Type R (EP) '04
Honda CRX SiR '90 and CR-Z @ '10
Mini Cooper 1.3i '98 and Cooper S '11
Peugeot 206 S16 '99 and 207 GTi '07
VW Golf I Gti '76 and Golf Gti '05
Clueless Rule: PP is TBD
Honda Life Step Van '72 and Odyssey '03
Honda Insight '99 and Insight LS '09
Toyota Prius G (j) '02 and Prius G '09
Performance Class - Old 450 PP Comfort Soft and New 550 PP Sport Soft
BMW 507 '57 and Z8 '01
BMW 2002 Turbo '73 and M3 Coupe '07
Ferarri 512 BB '76 and 458 Italia '09
Mercedes-Benz 300 SL '54 and SLS AMG '10
The Honda Odyssey is 4wd, so I am not sure that I am going to allow it. I will have to test it first. On the other hand, the Life Step Van maxes out at 421 PP with all parts and an oil change.
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I don't want to step on anybody's toes, but I desperately love Mid-Field raceway, and would love to host a quick shootout there with some high PP roadcars, if that won't impede any current shootouts coming up too badly?
Now that sir, is a top-notch original idea. Hats off to you sir. 👍
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The current basic concept is 550-600PP on SS, with some imposed regulations on specific cars to keep things level, basically to allow more than a select 1-2 top cars from taking a victory.
Something I'm stuck on is what to do exactly for laps. Mid-Field is short, so a single lap leaves too much room for error imo.
Forward and reverse hot laps?
Forward and reverse multiple hot laps?
I'm leaning towards the idea of 5-10 timed laps each direction. In any case, I'm not really looking to make it easy for testers, but potentially the opposite in the name of thoroughness.
Something I'm stuck on is what to do exactly for laps. Mid-Field is short, so a single lap leaves too much room for error imo.
Forward and reverse hot laps?
Forward and reverse multiple hot laps?
I'm leaning towards the idea of 5-10 timed laps each direction. In any case, I'm not really looking to make it easy for testers, but potentially the opposite in the name of thoroughness.
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As long as the car selection doesn't involve anything super expensive then that's fine 👍
Forward and reverse hot laps could be interesting, multi-lap averages would be a massive pain in the ass for the testers so I'd advise against that approach.
Generally the main considerations are to make sure that its not too punishing on the testers as this will discourage people signing up, long tracks or minimum laps completed requirements can prevent those who's game time is limited from testing and massively expensive cars will make it hard for people to be able to compete due to lack of funds.
Its not about limiting anyone as a tuner/tester, its just about making sure as many people can get in on the fun as possible, as long as you keep this in mind then you'll do fine 👍
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Definitely some things to consider, particularly noting that I did go broke, so I should check how much cash is involved.
Regarding tester ease, is it easier to run 5-10 laps one direction, or to learn the track combo in each direction? Obviously trying to run 5-10 good laps in a row is a bit demanding, but then, trying to learn how to drive a bunch of cars/tunes both directions could end up taking just as much or more time?
I'm not sure, the idea is to reward consistency in a tune, where a wild tune could nail down a great lap, or get thwarted by just missing out in a testers time frame. With a set of laps, the sheer speed/luck portion gets somewhat removed maybe?
Regarding tester ease, is it easier to run 5-10 laps one direction, or to learn the track combo in each direction? Obviously trying to run 5-10 good laps in a row is a bit demanding, but then, trying to learn how to drive a bunch of cars/tunes both directions could end up taking just as much or more time?
I'm not sure, the idea is to reward consistency in a tune, where a wild tune could nail down a great lap, or get thwarted by just missing out in a testers time frame. With a set of laps, the sheer speed/luck portion gets somewhat removed maybe?
