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Food Ethics (Poll)
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I just eat whatever I please. I do feel bad for the animals, though. But they make some good food!
Sometimes I wonder though if cattle from the 1500s were huge tanks compared to our fat-corn-fed cattle are today.
Sometimes I wonder though if cattle from the 1500s were huge tanks compared to our fat-corn-fed cattle are today.
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Definitely in the sphere of food ethics:
Italy: Proposals to gaol parents who impose vegan diets on their children
It should be stressed, of course, that this is merely a proposal.
Italy: Proposals to gaol parents who impose vegan diets on their children
It should be stressed, of course, that this is merely a proposal.
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It should also be stressed it was proposed by Elvira Savino, an MP for Berlusconi's Forza Italia party. This BBC article mentions there are three other bills proposed which aim to increase vegetarian & vegan options in restaurants, and that the wording doesn't single out vegans/vegetarians but instead aims to "stigmatise the reckless and dangerous eating behaviour imposed by parents [...] to the detriment of minors," which could be interpreted as also including diets which make it much more likely for children to become overweight/obese.
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https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/01/technology/burger-king-impossible-whopper.html
Burger king is going to give the impossible burger a shot. They say folks can't tell the difference, and that's hardly a surprise. I'm not sure that I'd say that the burger king hamburger actually necessarily tastes like "meat". I actually wouldn't be surprised if you could replace just about all of the fast food burgers with this stuff and have nobody notice.
Burger king is going to give the impossible burger a shot. They say folks can't tell the difference, and that's hardly a surprise. I'm not sure that I'd say that the burger king hamburger actually necessarily tastes like "meat". I actually wouldn't be surprised if you could replace just about all of the fast food burgers with this stuff and have nobody notice.
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It's shocking to see the difference between what's allowed to be sold by BK/MacD's in the US compared to other places. In the UK they're real meat
Just for kicks I tried Burger King in China. Tasted identical.
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I'll give it a try. We've bought some of their paddies to give a try. They were better than boca burgers for sure, though I didnt feel a little wrong eating it with bacon and cheese all over it. Given we generally make our own burgers, I definitely can tell the difference, but I imagine in a restaurant environment it would be harder to tell.
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I don't think I've ever gotten one that looked as bad as that does... Maybe their really trying to put it in bad light? Not sure, haven't watched that yet.
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Seeing Brian regularly on CBS, I wouldn't believe that to be the case. I will say that it doesn't look vastly different from the last mainstream fast food burger I had, but then that wasn't a Whopper either.
I went ahead and edited the post to include the video in a spoiler for convenient viewing.
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In their D-fens, they probably don't want to mislead anyone with an unrealistic picture.
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If that's the case, their marketing department clearly wasn't involved.
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I haven't eaten at one in a while either. Why when there is a Culver's down the road? Actually, it mostly is due to the fact we don't eat much fast food. Health and animal welfare being the main issues. I will definitely try this when it comes out though.
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I prefer things like free-range eggs and organic chicken/produce...but that's mostly because I find them much tastier. Idk, I try not to be a super-asshole when it comes to consuming other living creatures (like foie-gras) or snorting rhino horn or that kind of nonsense. Ideally, I would like to reduce my carbon footprint, but I'm not going out of my way to do so. Also I try to stick to non-artery-clogging stuff, as heart disease is a concern of mine. Not sure that's an ethics quandry though.
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A couple things to ponder...
What are your thoughts on living things, such as mollusks and crustaceans, that are often acquired while they're still alive and indeed killed during preparation (or lack thereof, in the case of raw oysters and the like)?
Assuming you're inclined to prepare a lobster, would you make an effort to mitigate suffering such as by putting it in the freezer first or swiftly plunging a knife through its head before boiling it? What if these have a negative impact on the finished product? You paid a lot of money for it, so don't you want it to be the best it can be?
What if you're not doing it yourself, but are still the recipient? You order lobster and the waiter casually slips in: "By the way, they went straight from the tank into boiling water." Do you ask for more time to choose an alternative or is the death they receive from the boiling water likely to be quick enough?
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What is the most suffering of an animal you're willing to accept for your nourishment and/or enjoyment? What if that suffering translates into a lower quality product, say, as a result of chemicals in the flesh you're destined to consume?
What are your thoughts on living things, such as mollusks and crustaceans, that are often acquired while they're still alive and indeed killed during preparation (or lack thereof, in the case of raw oysters and the like)?
Assuming you're inclined to prepare a lobster, would you make an effort to mitigate suffering such as by putting it in the freezer first or swiftly plunging a knife through its head before boiling it? What if these have a negative impact on the finished product? You paid a lot of money for it, so don't you want it to be the best it can be?
What if you're not doing it yourself, but are still the recipient? You order lobster and the waiter casually slips in: "By the way, they went straight from the tank into boiling water." Do you ask for more time to choose an alternative or is the death they receive from the boiling water likely to be quick enough?
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What is the most suffering of an animal you're willing to accept for your nourishment and/or enjoyment? What if that suffering translates into a lower quality product, say, as a result of chemicals in the flesh you're destined to consume?
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I like lobster but it's usually pricey for my meager budget. Tough to say whether I have a problem or not with it....thats an interesting one. I mean I normally don't care one iota about cattle or chickens or whatever. But the whole boiling thing... hmm.
Interestingly I think west Europe used to boil people alive in oil vats and such around 13th or 14 century usually to draw a crowd. I want to say Netherlands did it. Could have even happened later than that. Obviously the US founders were aware of these torture issues at the time of 1780s because they added it into the constitution. I do believe anyhow...
Chicks. Eggs and chicken breast must make up 1/4 my diet.... I guess I just can't be bothered at all to worry about it.
Interestingly I think west Europe used to boil people alive in oil vats and such around 13th or 14 century usually to draw a crowd. I want to say Netherlands did it. Could have even happened later than that. Obviously the US founders were aware of these torture issues at the time of 1780s because they added it into the constitution. I do believe anyhow...
Chicks. Eggs and chicken breast must make up 1/4 my diet.... I guess I just can't be bothered at all to worry about it.
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I'm still super curious about the impossible burger. It seems like nutritionally it's not advantageous (though not necessarily worse), and it's not clear what the long-term health effects of some of the ingredients are.
One interesting advantage for the impossible burger is the mitigation of e-coli or food preparation sanitation issues. And then there's mad cow.
One interesting advantage for the impossible burger is the mitigation of e-coli or food preparation sanitation issues. And then there's mad cow.
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It might actually taste better than BK's current offerings, and be less likely to send one running for a toilet. In general I'm kinda interested to know how it tastes because I might want to prepare them at home.
Possible advantages over my home-grilled burger patties are decreased sanitation time, potentially decreased grease/fair-ups, and a decreased desire to over-cook to avoid illness.
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After having an impossible burger (from the Cheesecake factory, somewhat bewilderingly), my takeaways:
Tastes pretty damn meaty, but I'm not sure if I would certainly identify it as meat in a blind test.
Is tasty, would eat again.
Kind of want to try the burger king variant.
I do find it hilarious that some people are so virulently anti-vegan, just for the sake of being anti-vegan. I've had plenty of meatless meat things that were tasty AF. People need to grow up.
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Tastes pretty damn meaty, but I'm not sure if I would certainly identify it as meat in a blind test.
Is tasty, would eat again.
Kind of want to try the burger king variant.
I do find it hilarious that some people are so virulently anti-vegan, just for the sake of being anti-vegan. I've had plenty of meatless meat things that were tasty AF. People need to grow up.
Related: [Vox trigger warning]
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Ah, gotcha! So to my mind you followed your curiosity with a sort of pro/con assessment.
I look at it as pushback to those "meat is murder" types we've all heard of, but I'll say that I've never actually encountered one in person.
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