For those that object to GTS or GT7 having Std Cars, what is your reason?

[sems4arsenal]

why? its only my way of saying that i dont really care much for graphics as long as gameplay is good. i will still buy gt7 regardless as its the only game i actually like

I would like to see all premiums, I generally stick to premium cars in GT6 now, but I don't mind the standards, and I agree with Jimmy, when I'm racing, I don't really notice if it's premium or not. If I look at the car, then sure I can tell the difference, but if I'm not actively looking for the difference, I don't notice. The standards are just as recognizable for the type of car they are as premiums, which is all I'm looking for if I need to size up an opponent for a weak spot.

You guys can't see the difference between

and

?

 

[Johnnypenso]

You guys can't see the difference between

and

?

Is that a trick question? It's the same car right?

 

[gtracedriver1]

I assume he's referring to this:

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/thre...neral-discussion.337545/page-49#post-11241232

Which while not absolute 100% confirmation is pretty close.

Wow, finally something useful from FB page I hope this is not fake. Can't believe everything on internet.

 

[Ameer67]

EDIT: Wrong thread. Oops. Please ignore.

 

[Chaos Control]

@kapnk006 Had a great idea a while ago for a poll. I think it is a worthy idea to bring a thread to life. Here it goes:

Would detractors accept std. cars if there was a "one click" option so you could completely hide them and their availability in your personal game? Or is their objection more complicated than that?

My opinion - make semi premiums out of them. I like the standards just because they're old / ordinary cars. Cars with a certain charm. I like the fact that almost everyone can buy their IRL car in GT and race it. If they only had better graphics, it would be awesome to have track days with your IRL car on the track. But that's me. Please, discuss.

I agree. Exterior graphics equal to premiums is really all I need, and equal amounts of costumization options. Also more varieties of cars. I want to be able to have a race with the cars on my block and turn a '90's coup deville into a beast.

 

[chzsln485]

Wow, finally something useful from FB page I hope this is not fake. Can't believe everything on internet.

If it's fake, he's nailed the style of the responses. Always "Hi [first name]" at the start of the messages, references to being unable "to disclose the details" (a common stock phrase in these responses, it seems), a request for the user to keep "following us to learn more", and of course, the given timeframe is almost always "soon". Also, it's not an edit of an existing message feed posted before on this forum, (as some Facebook/text message response fakes are), and it does appear to be the actual font used by Facebook Messenger on Android (again, a common missed detail in fake ones).

Also, the fact I messaged on them the 25th of January, asking about whether or not standard cars would be in GT Sport and got a response saying "we aim to get rid of the difference between Standard and Premium cars from GT Sport" suggests they may have been planning something like "super-premiums only" earlier along the line, but hadn't decided on how to do that (or just didn't want to reveal it). Of course, a good way to check for yourself if it's a genuine response or not would be to message them yourself and ask the same question - I would assume you would get an identical response.

Wow, I really need to find something better to do...

 

[Stumps_GTI]

For those that object to GTS or GT7 having Std Cars, what is your reason?

Wow, this really is a serious question?
Sorry for my thoughtless attitude sneaking in here, but really? Who would want standards included?
Hey, I know some of the BEST cars are standards, I myself love the Subie 22B... I want it in premium, but if they can't do that, I'm fine with it not being there. 👍

 

[jujunosuke]

There should not be any standard or premium cars, there should be only cars.
These terms where used as an excuse to compensate the delay of the release.

I think that having 50 version of skyline or whatever is really a pure waste of time...
That is very Japanese to do that...
I have been working in Japan for 6 years now and i can say that my company have the same problems unfortunately..

So many people focusing on useless details that will not matter at the end.
While American company are more pragmatic and focus on what really matter.

I really hope that PD will surprise us with the next GT.

 

[ImaRobot]

I have been working in Japan for 6 years now and i can say that my company have the same problems unfortunately..

Your workplace keeps 50 Skylines around too? Must be a nice place to work.

 

[girabyt3]

Your workplace keeps 50 Skylines around too? Must be a nice place to work.

Don't forget Miatas xD

 

[hardvibes]

Because we're in 2016. I don't think I need to add more.

 

[NLxAROSA]

Wow, this really is a serious question?
Sorry for my thoughtless attitude sneaking in here, but really? Who would want standards included?

No need to apologize. This question is about the same as: "For those that object to having your eyeballs run through with a hot poker, what's your reason?". It requires no explanation, the opposite statement does.

 

[MXH]

Wow, this really is a serious question?

Unfortunately, it is. I'm actually surprised that this discussion have lasted for 18 pages. There really is only one reason and it all comes down to the fact that standard cars are downright pathetic. It's time to move on and get with the times.

To me, they're merely filler content with no care or thought behind them. They were laughable during last generation and the notion of them possibly being included in future title(s) will remain laughable.

 

[FS7]

If FM6 has 550 cars at autovista level of detail I don't see why PD which has a bigger budget & releases less games than Turn10 can't release a GT game with at least that many premium cars and get rid of the standards.

 

[Johnnypenso]

If FM6 has 550 cars at autovista level of detail I don't see why PD which has a bigger budget & releases less games than Turn10 can't release a GT game with at least that many premium cars and get rid of the standards.

People have bought into the marketing tag that PD's cars are only made in house so they can have the best quality control, higher overall quality and therefore they make less cars, but better. Looking at the cars in DC, Forza, PCars etc., they look perfectly acceptable to me and most are done through outsourcing. Maybe 10 years ago PD had a decent lead in this department, but we're getting so close to realistic looking cars these days, there is little to differentiate the various studios when they do their best work and now, instead of being perceived as low output/high quality craftsmen, they are just slow and behind the times, IMO of course. I doubt anyone but the most diehard fanboy would object to getting many, many more of these through outsourcing.

 

[FS7]

People have bought into the marketing tag that PD's cars are only made in house so they can have the best quality control, higher overall quality and therefore they make less cars, but better.

FM4 was released back in 2011, 2 years before GT6, its autovista cars were more detailed than GT6's premiums and there were features available in FM4 that still aren't available in GT6 (being able to paint every car without having to deal with paintchip bs, engine/drivetrain swaps, livery editor). Back then I already realized that the "one man one car" thing and the whole talk about PD's delays & less cars with better quality were all bs. Turn10 releasing FM5 before GT6 200 autovista cars and now having FM6 with 550 autovista cars is a clear sign that PD is behind and needs to catch-up, having standard cars just for the sake of car count isn't acceptable.

 

[jeffry120]

I really hope that Vector W8 or Venturi Atlantique will be back in the gran turismo series! That were beasts!

 

[SlipZtrEm]

It's worth pointing out that PD still has one advantage over T10's models (and everyone else's): adaptive tessalation. At least for the models built with it from the start, anyway (most, if not all of the new-to-GT6 cars). Arguably of little value to all but the most ardent of Photomode enthusiasts, but as one, it is noticeable on macro shots.

FM6 also uses a lower resolution for custom user liveries than stock ones. Again, it's something you notice up close (or with hood view and a complicated design), but as there's still no proper livery editor in GT, it's a bit of a moot point.

 

[Stumps_GTI]

It's worth pointing out that PD still has one advantage over T10's models (and everyone else's): adaptive tessalation. At least for the models built with it from the start, anyway (most, if not all of the new-to-GT6 cars). Arguably of little value to all but the most ardent of Photomode enthusiasts, but as one, it is noticeable on macro shots.

FM6 also uses a lower resolution for custom user liveries than stock ones. Again, it's something you notice up close (or with hood view and a complicated design), but as there's still no proper livery editor in GT, it's a bit of a moot point.

Valid point SlipZ, but I'm not totally sold on this Adaptive tessalation stuff.
Are other games using it? Is it exclusive to PD??
From what I remember in-game, it did little aside from help blend in the background as you drove around the track. Never thought it was that big of a deal on photo-mode.

 

[GreenGhost74]

"I doubt that we'll be throwing away the standard cars [in GT7]. Each car has its own fans, so I think we'll hang on to the archive."

I think Kaz has the right idea. I don't like that the standard cars look so outdated, but I really do like that I get the option to drive them in a current title instead of having to get offline to play GT4. I'm sure a lot of other fans appreciate this as well.

If the standard cars' presence really bothers people, perhaps GT7 should actually put them in an "archive" as kaz says, rather than dropping them into the normal dealerships. Maybe you could have an area in the game with it's own set of dealerships that only contain the standard cars. This way, the game actually presents them as outdated "archive" cars from previous titles, instead of just throwing them into the pile with the premium cars. But you can still purchase and drive them, if you so desire. Just an idea..

 

[ScottPuss20]

Valid point SlipZ, but I'm not totally sold on this Adaptive tessalation stuff.
Are other games using it? Is it exclusive to PD??
From what I remember in-game, it did little aside from help blend in the background as you drove around the track. Never thought it was that big of a deal on photo-mode.

Let me point you to this thread
https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/threads/cars-in-gt6-that-has-ps4-ready-graphics.324638/

 

[Samus]

"I doubt that we'll be throwing away the standard cars [in GT7]. Each car has its own fans, so I think we'll hang on to the archive."

I think Kaz has the right idea. I don't like that the standard cars look so outdated, but I really do like that I get the option to drive them in a current title instead of having to get offline to play GT4. I'm sure a lot of other fans appreciate this as well.

If the standard cars' presence really bothers people, perhaps GT7 should actually put them in an "archive" as kaz says, rather than dropping them into the normal dealerships. Maybe you could have an area in the game with it's own set of dealerships that only contain the standard cars. This way, the game actually presents them as outdated "archive" cars from previous titles, instead of just throwing them into the pile with the premium cars. But you can still purchase and drive them, if you so desire. Just an idea..

That might work for offline, what if people use them online? Why should my premium PS4 experience be brought down because other people are using optional legacy content?

 

[05XR8]

"I doubt that we'll be throwing away the standard cars [in GT7]. Each car has its own fans, so I think we'll hang on to the archive."

I think Kaz has the right idea. I don't like that the standard cars look so outdated, but I really do like that I get the option to drive them in a current title instead of having to get offline to play GT4. I'm sure a lot of other fans appreciate this as well.

If the standard cars' presence really bothers people, perhaps GT7 should actually put them in an "archive" as kaz says, rather than dropping them into the normal dealerships. Maybe you could have an area in the game with it's own set of dealerships that only contain the standard cars. This way, the game actually presents them as outdated "archive" cars from previous titles, instead of just throwing them into the pile with the premium cars. But you can still purchase and drive them, if you so desire. Just an idea..

How does that work if I want to race vintage Japqnese cars in the game?
For one, I can't use the Honda S800 and Hakosuka Skyline as I want to only race against premium vintage cars. That leaves me with only the Toyota 2000GT. The 240ZG and Kenmeri Skyline are Standard-Premium. Everything else are low quality cars.
Same goes for wanting use the BMW 2002 turbo or even the MK1 Golf GTI. These iconic cars should be premium.
Dig it. PD or rather Kaz, wants to educate players about the history of the automobile. How can I experience what a car is like, if I can't see how people drove these cars from the inside? Analog gauges, toggle switches, sliders for climate controls. The sheer simplicity and beautiful craftsmanship of some of these interiors. Just get behind the virtual wheel of the Alpine A110. Those dials are jewel-like.
We're being robbed of the full vision of some cars we may never get the chance to see or see from the driver's seat.

 

[CSLACR]

"I doubt that we'll be throwing away the standard cars [in GT7]. Each car has its own fans, so I think we'll hang on to the archive."

I think Kaz has the right idea. I don't like that the standard cars look so outdated, but I really do like that I get the option to drive them in a current title instead of having to get offline to play GT4. I'm sure a lot of other fans appreciate this as well.

If the standard cars' presence really bothers people, perhaps GT7 should actually put them in an "archive" as kaz says, rather than dropping them into the normal dealerships. Maybe you could have an area in the game with it's own set of dealerships that only contain the standard cars. This way, the game actually presents them as outdated "archive" cars from previous titles, instead of just throwing them into the pile with the premium cars. But you can still purchase and drive them, if you so desire. Just an idea..

Why not just go the full monty and include every car ever featured over all the GT games?
That would raise the car count even higher. GT2 had a lot of cars that never got transported to the PS2, and therefore haven't been ported to PS3 or potentially PS4.

 

[GreenGhost74]

That might work for offline, what if people use them online? Why should my premium PS4 experience be brought down because other people are using optional legacy content?

Have an option for room hosts "Archive cars allowed - Yes / No". You could have lobbies where premium cars are required.

How does that work if I want to race vintage Japqnese cars in the game?
For one, I can't use the Honda S800 and Hakosuka Skyline as I want to only race against premium vintage cars. That leaves me with only the Toyota 2000GT. The 240ZG and Kenmeri Skyline are Standard-Premium. Everything else are low quality cars.
Same goes for wanting use the BMW 2002 turbo or even the MK1 Golf GTI. These iconic cars should be premium.
Dig it. PD or rather Kaz, wants to educate players about the history of the automobile. How can I experience what a car is like, if I can't see how people drove these cars from the inside? Analog gauges, toggle switches, sliders for climate controls. The sheer simplicity and beautiful craftsmanship of some of these interiors. Just get behind the virtual wheel of the Alpine A110. Those dials are jewel-like.
We're being robbed of the full vision of some cars we may never get the chance to see or see from the driver's seat.

I'd personally like it if PD would stop adding new cars to instead focus on bringing the standard cars up to premium spec, but I don't think that's what most people want, and I seriously doubt Kaz would be on board with such an idea. Not only is it a very tall order, but it may not be the smartest move from a marketing standpoint. However, I do recall reading that at least a few of the current standard cars are going to be reworked into premiums for GT7.

 

[MXH]

I'd personally like it if PD would stop adding new cars to instead focus on bringing the standard cars up to premium spec, but I don't think that's what most people want, and I seriously doubt Kaz would be on board with such an idea. Not only is it a very tall order, but it may not be the smartest move from a marketing standpoint. However, I do recall reading that at least a few of the current standard cars are going to be reworked into premiums for GT7.

That list of standard cars is getting pretty outdated. They need to prioritize fan favorites, iconic and requested cars while adding newer ones. It certainly isn't an easy task, but it would've made things easier if they did go through with a similar plan right from the beginning of last generation. Ah, would've, could've, should've.

 

[Imari]

However, I do recall reading that at least a few of the current standard cars are going to be reworked into premiums for GT7.

I believe they said that after GT5 as well, that the standard cars would be slowly upgraded to premiums. A handful were.

I wouldn't expect much. They'll be working on race cars, VGTs, specialist projects like the SEMA cars and any new models that the manufacturers contract them for, and new super and hyper cars. After that maybe the odd standard. Standard upgrades are clearly way down the list, along with modern "everyday driver" cars.

 

[GreenGhost74]

I believe they said that after GT5 as well, that the standard cars would be slowly upgraded to premiums. A handful were.

I wouldn't expect much. They'll be working on race cars, VGTs, specialist projects like the SEMA cars and any new models that the manufacturers contract them for, and new super and hyper cars. After that maybe the odd standard. Standard upgrades are clearly way down the list, along with modern "everyday driver" cars.

At this point, my expectations are set pretty low. But at the same time, I really enjoy GT6, and I'll be happy with any of the improvements and additional content we get in GT7. I'm just hoping we don't lose any of the good things we have now.

 

[SlipZtrEm]

Valid point SlipZ, but I'm not totally sold on this Adaptive tessalation stuff.
Are other games using it? Is it exclusive to PD??
From what I remember in-game, it did little aside from help blend in the background as you drove around the track. Never thought it was that big of a deal on photo-mode.

The link that @CLowndes888 provided should clear things up, though I only quickly browsed through it. Basically, AT allows for an infinitely-variable poly count to fill the on-screen needs better. Zooming in on a wheel, you'll see a completely smooth curve, even on the heads of the screws or the air valve cap. It means different LOD (level of detail) models are essentially a thing of the past, as the game can adapt for the situation at hand.

FM6 has some fantastic-quality car models, but it still uses the tried-and-true multi-LOD approach. As far as I know or can deduce, so does Driveclub. If PD has it working for everything in GT Sport, it'll mean an advantage in terms of graphics.

Of course, it can't help Standards, as their problem is as much poor texture work as it is outdated modelling, if not more so. Some new-to-GT6 cars don't even take advantage of AT: I just drove the Diablo GT earlier today and its exhaust is noticeably angular in Photomode.

 

[Chaos Control]

For those that object to GTS or GT7 having Std Cars, what is your reason?

Wow, this really is a serious question?
Sorry for my thoughtless attitude sneaking in here, but really? Who would want standards included?

If they can put interiors in over 1000 cars than I agree with you 100%... But, if not having an interior on all the cars allows the game to have a larger variety of vehicles, than I am perfectly fine with that.