Formula 1 Grand Prix du Canada 2016

[Dennisch]

And still that will not be satisfying for some.

 

[Tired Tyres]

Just seen the start on Channel 4. That looked like a race incident. Hamilton didn't leave Rosberg any room but the latter was on the outside so I'm wondering what planet people who think he did something wrong are on. One other point for those of you wondering why hamilton never gets picked up for "questionable" moves. It is up to the TEAM of the offended driver to put in a complaint. Some what obviously Mercedes are not going to do that when the offending driver is their own.

 

[TenEightyOne]

It is up to the TEAM of the offended driver to put in a complaint.

True, but only to an extent, for example the stewards themselves picked up on the Catalunya incident - they don't need a complaint in all cases.

 

[TenEightyOne]

Rosberg: Hamilton contact infuriating but fair

Rosberg needs to read more internets for his opinion to be worth anything

Like I said, the move itself is not the problem - the problem is Hamilton's habit of pushing people wide. Why do you think this comes up every race?

Because, like other successful multiple-WDCs, he pushes the rules to the maximum, sometimes beyond. It's how to win.

 

[MUSC4EVER]

Average race, needed the rain that never came, well done to Lewis, Ferrari threw away another good opportunity....

 

[mustafur]

Kimi needs to go, he has been lucky this year in terms of results from strategy calls and his team mate retiring making the point score look not that bad, but his lack of pace at Canada was embarrassing and this is starting to become a regular thing.

On the other hand, Sainz made up for his qualifying blunder to do what is probably the drive of the race in getting 9th splitting the Force Indias, to go from 20th to 9th and end up miles ahead of your team mate who started well ahead of you shows the massive potential.

Ferrari sign this man!

 

[Robin]

Gosh was that race dull and not even a safety car... in Canada! Even CH4 were struggling to show anything interesting in the highlights! Only good in the last few laps with Nico and Max.

 

[prisonermonkeys]

So if it's not about the move itself then why is it being discussed?

Because it's the latest in a series of dirty moves by Hamilton - something that I have pointed out to you several times, which you have either ignored or tried to distract from.

 

[Tired Tyres]

You mean the latest in your bias you mean. Spain was neither drivers fault as CONFIRMED by the stewards. Monaco he left a cars width regardless of you wanting it to not to exist so you can have yet another go at a driver YOU have an issue with and now even Rosberg calls this one a racing incident. Doesn't stop you though does it? That's a markedly different approach to defending the behaviour of Iannone in Motogp.

 

[prisonermonkeys]

You mean the latest in your bias you mean.

Not at all. Like I said, how many times has there been an incident where a driver has been forced wide like this? And how many of them involved Hamilton, even when no action was taken by the stewards? Now, you can try and distract from that by claiming that what happened elsewhere doesn't matter or what have you, but even the most dedicated Hamilton fan has to agree that he certainly gets involved in a lot of these incidents - certainly moreso than any other driver. At what point does this stop being aggressive and start being dirty driving?

Now, you can claim that it's all in my head and that it's a product of my bias, but even if that's true, it doesn't make me wrong by default; after all, even a stopped clock is right twice a day. And on that note, where do you think my dislike of Hamilton comes from? Do you think I just woke up one morning and decided "I need someone to dislike - Hamilton seems like a good choice"? No, it's because he pulls crap like this and shows a complete lack of respect for anyone else on the grid. And it doesn't help that a small, vocal sector of his fanbase will vehemently defend him for anything; he could be caught torturing puppies and those fans would claim that the puppies had it coming. But mostly, it's his disrespect for other drivers.

 

[Robin]

Vettel complaining about suicidal seagulls runing his lap!

http://www.skysports.com/f1/news/12...vettel-i-watched-the-seagulls-and-i-locked-up

At 4:18 in the video they finally find the seagulls! Vettel obviously looking for a career on springwatch after F1!

 

[OutlawQuadrnt]

Some final thoughts:

- Not much to see regarding this week's Hamilton/Rosberg incident. At the minimum, Hamilton intended to crowd out Rosberg on the initial exit. Naughty, yes, but allowed within the current rules and something that Rosberg would've done to him if he was in his position. The bumping wheels I do believe was not intended. Why risk damaging his car at a track he excels at?

- Good recovery for Rosberg although I have to wonder if he's having that "here we go again" feeling. Big lead is dwindling before his eyes and the season is far from over. I still believe he is capable of winning a title but he needs to minimize those clumsy moments that he tends to have the rest of the way. Just imagine if he didn't make that mistake with the fuel mode at the Spanish Grand Prix.

- I'll be honest. Up until ten laps to go, I thought Ferrari made the right strategy call. When a driver can run 20+ laps on the ultra-soft tires, you have to wonder whether someone mislabeled the tire compound names.

- Bottas scored a podium. Just acknowledging it because I don't think anyone really noticed.

- Kimi does just enough to secure his spot as the lesser Ferrari driver.

- Sainz gets my driver of the day award for scoring points despite starting all the way back.

- I was expecting a little more out of RBR today but Max put on a good show near the end. Good thing because the race overall was not quite up to the usual Montreal excitement.

- Back down to earth for Haas, especially for Grosjean.

- Poor Manors getting trashed on the radio and on the track. They need some company back there so they can actually race someone.

 

[Rich S]

My thoughts are vettel could have won it with a single stop like many said, hamilton was lucky after his horrible first few races but his starts havent gotten a ton better... nico needs to remember that and take advantage next races.

-No mention of shooting at the race whatsoever, like nothing happened. F1 heads must have told all to ignore it completely.

-Haas is dropping right off in performance...or rivals are now faster with upgrades...

-1 stop races!! Not since way back when has that been done.

-I wish somebody would give rossi a chance even though hes 24 now and in the USA.

 

[prisonermonkeys]

No mention of shooting at the race whatsoever, like nothing happened. F1 heads must have told all to ignore it completely.

Why does the sport have a responsibility to report on breaking news?

 

[Saidur_Ali]

Hm. I don't know if I'd size it down to outright pace, as even Hamilton himself has said on more than one occasion that [Rosberg] shouldn't be underestimated. I'd really liken it to Brawn.

Between the two, Rubens was almost unequivocally the faster of the two. However, Jenson is notoriously known for being a smoother and more consistent driver, thus leading to his victory. As I expressed, Nico has the skill and pace but he isn't as consistent as he really needs to be. He's either on it (and when he's on it, he really on it almost scarily so) or he's off it.

And when he's off it things like today happen.

He shouldn't be underestimated. A lot different than Brawn situation IMO. Rubens got outpaced a lot by Jenson in qualifying and races early part of season. Second half IIRC brake change helped Rubens and then Jenson was having problems with tyre temperatures and getting car to perform to level it should. Even though he had a bit of shocker, Rubens and Sebastian did too which lead to his victory. Nico's performance is much more consistent than Brawn pairing, problem for him is slightly slower and less talented than Lewis IMO. That will likely consistently put him in position to be behind Lewis, 5 complete years as teammates and all five times Lewis finished ahead.

I think their old karting boss in 2000 says what I also think is difference between the two still (Link)

"Sometimes they would argue," said Chiesa. "At that time, I think Lewis had more talent than Nico. At the end of the race, it was usually Lewis who was the winner. If he was not the winner, he was in front of Nico.

"You could see that it was easier for Lewis to reach the limit, he can brake late, he can take more speed into the corners, he can make better manoeuvres to overtake. He just has more talent. Nico was clever to understand the situation quickly and to learn from Lewis."

"Nico accepted finishing second in a race but Lewis always wanted to win," said Chiesa. "He didn't like to finish second. He was always fighting to win.

"Because Lewis knew he was the best, he wanted to be the best. For him to finish second in a race is really bad, he would be really upset. He would cry. That has happened many times, when he doesn't win."

This season although Nico has had a good start where everything went for him, his pace hasn't been that impressive. It looks like Lewis can dominate if he can sort out his starts and have solid reliability. Slight outright pace improvement relative to Lewis is key for Nico to challenge on merit IMO. Lewis seems to have got the luck back, last race Red Bull messing up and this race Ferrari. Even birds stood up against Sebastian and Lewis got pooped on...

 

[UnkaD]

The DVR recording of the race on NBC was completely overrun by coverage of the Florida shooting. That's okay. There was a second showing on NBCSN. The second showing is completely overrun by frickin' GOLF!

 

[nowcontrol]

Vettel and Hamilton and suicidal seagulls... top banter.

 

[ukfan758]

The DVR recording of the race on NBC was completely overrun by coverage of the Florida shooting. That's okay. There was a second showing on NBCSN. The second showing is completely overrun by frickin' GOLF!

Hopefully there's a 2nd re-air Monday. That's got to suck.

 

[UnkaD]

Hopefully there's a 2nd re-air Monday. That's got to suck.

It does suck. Sorry to the mods if my post crossed any lines. It was carrying the frustration of the golf thing. My thoughts do go out to those affected by that event.

 

[Kenocar]

I recorded it because I had work, only to be ruined by that NBC coverage of Florida. They only show the last lap and the podium.

Damn, it sucks what happened in Florida, and I was looking forward to the race, but there's nothing I can do about it.

Hopefully I can watch a re-run, but knowing youtube, the whole race is probably there by now before FOM notices.

 

[ShiftingGears]

Quite dull.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

Vettel complaining about suicidal seagulls runing his lap!

http://www.skysports.com/f1/news/12...vettel-i-watched-the-seagulls-and-i-locked-up

At 4:18 in the video they finally find the seagulls! Vettel obviously looking for a career on springwatch after F1!

I seriously thought people were joking about that, then I saw your post and I just shook my head for a while and then laughed hysterically only to cry myself into a nap, because this man is a 4wdc and has the abilities to watch seagulls while maintaining a podium spot...

 

[axletramp]

This is probably why Rosberg didn't complain too much about Hamiton's move at turn one:



He knows it's a fully legitimate move as he pulled it on Hamilton in 2014. Hopefully that puts that one to bed.

As for the race, many people are saying that Ferrari threw away Vettel's advantage, but I can't help thinking it was a worthwhile gamble that could easily have come off. IMO the mistake (if there was one) from Ferrari was that by pitting from the lead they eliminated Mercedes' only real weakness, which is that their performance drops when they're in traffic. Once a Mercedes takes the lead in clear air they are very hard to beat - either one. Vettel should have stayed out purely to hold track position.

I think Hamilton actually had this under control, just perhaps not as comfortably as Mercedes are used to. Mistakes by Vettel show how hard he was pushing near the end, but by that time I can't help but feeling Hamilton had enough in the car and tyres to hold him off.

20 laps to go - Vettel on top. 10 laps to go - Hamilton under control.

All-in-all I enjoyed it. Didn't have as much drama as previous races this season, but entertaining all the same.

 

[niky]

Given how often Rosberg runs overtaking cars off the road (Hamilton, Alonso, uh... Vettel?), I don't see how anything that happens between them on corner exits can be counted as an issue anymore.

The Stewards allow you to box out on a corner exit. It's technically a corner exit, so Rosberg got boxed. Just like the last incident, simple as that.

Otherwise, nice to see the Championship tightening up, but I was hoping for more from the rest of the teams, honestly.

 

[Tired Tyres]

Not at all. Like I said, how many times has there been an incident where a driver has been forced wide like this? And how many of them involved Hamilton, even when no action was taken by the stewards? Now, you can try and distract from that by claiming that what happened elsewhere doesn't matter or what have you, but even the most dedicated Hamilton fan has to agree that he certainly gets involved in a lot of these incidents - certainly moreso than any other driver. At what point does this stop being aggressive and start being dirty driving?

Now, you can claim that it's all in my head and that it's a product of my bias, but even if that's true, it doesn't make me wrong by default; after all, even a stopped clock is right twice a day. And on that note, where do you think my dislike of Hamilton comes from? Do you think I just woke up one morning and decided "I need someone to dislike - Hamilton seems like a good choice"? No, it's because he pulls crap like this and shows a complete lack of respect for anyone else on the grid. And it doesn't help that a small, vocal sector of his fanbase will vehemently defend him for anything; he could be caught torturing puppies and those fans would claim that the puppies had it coming. But mostly, it's his disrespect for other drivers.

1 I have not said anything such thing as multiple incidents don't mean anything. But to clarify. Any incident can only ever be judged on its own merits. You have a valid point that if it is consistently the same driver involved then something needs looking into. Newsflash. That isn't you.
2. believe it or not I'm not a fan of any particular driver in F1 and haven't been for a number of years. So ask yourself this. If I'm someone who is not particularly fond of a certain driver and I keep picking you out because you are promoting your usual and entirely predictable negative posts then what does that say about you?

 

[Ryk]

Wish drivers could run side by side inside the track limits. I guess for every Arnoux vs Villenueve wheel bashing fun, you get a Rosberg vs Hamilton.
Into the weeds for you sucker!

As much as I blame Ham for his understeer whoops into his team mate, (Yes but the rule books say... yadda yadda) I thought Nic's re-join was a bit sloppy and could have caused a bit of mayhem.

Vettel did well and didn't put his team under the bus for their 'Poor with hindsight' early pitstop.

Maximus Decimus Verstappenus fought a great defence in the gladiatorial scrap with Nico.

 

[BlacqueJacques]

A pretty ho hum race in Canada; usually full of action, most happened on first lap this time; will be there next year

 

[RX-7_FD3S]

Hamilton move is a classic here, Rosberg needed much more corner speed if he wanted to do anything. Not sure why it's making such a fuss.

And please let them race, stop asking for penalty anytime anything happen.

Wasn't a spectacular GP however I was very nervous, knowing it's Canada and that anything can happen. A yellow flag, rain or even a tiny bit more tyre degradation and Lewis would have lost this.

Personnaly I found it very interesting.

 

[Bo]

At what point does this stop being aggressive and start being dirty driving?

When he executes moves that are clearly a deliberate attempt to take another car out the race, or actually contravenes anything in the rulebook.

 

[daan]

Anyone finding themselves on the outside of T1 at Montreal will always find themselves running out of track. It's what happens. It's racing, not "after you, Claude."